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    • #12387
      Nescacfan
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      The top-seeded women’s relays for Nationals are as follows:

      200 Free
      Calvin
      Kenyon
      UW Stevens Point

      400 Medley
      Kenyon
      Amherst
      Emory

      200 Medley
      Kenyon
      Denison
      UW Stevens Point

      800 Free
      Kenyon
      Wash U
      Emory

      400 Free
      Kenyon
      Emory
      Amherst

      Kenyon is in the mix in all 5 relays. What are the chances of Kenyon sweeping the relays. Is Kenyon most vulnerable in the 200 free? Calvin is loaded with sprinters. Could Amherst apply some presure in the 400 medley?

    • #35847
      neswim
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      Kenyon would appear most vulnerable in the 200 free relay. One interesting question is which relay doesn’t have Ertel??? If its the 200 then don’t see them catching Calvin…

      Re Amherst and the 400 MR…on paper it looks like a toss-up…BUT..I don’t think theyll upset Kenyon…for two reasons. One, Kenyon’s not really swum it shaved while I suspect Amherst did at NESCACs. Make no difference for Sasser who will open with 3 second lead but that will be gone after breaststroke. When Ertel swims the fly (look for 55 low or faster) I think its pretty much over…Stern can’t make that difference on Carlton. Still it will be a good race.

    • #35848
      Nescacfan
      Member

      @neswim wrote:

      Re Amherst and the 400 MR…on paper it looks like a toss-up…BUT..I don’t think theyll upset Kenyon…for two reasons. One, Kenyon’s not really swum it shaved while I suspect Amherst did at NESCACs. Make no difference for Sasser who will open with 3 second lead but that will be gone after breaststroke. When Ertel swims the fly (look for 55 low or faster) I think its pretty much over…Stern can’t make that difference on Carlton. Still it will be a good race.

      neswim: You and I talked about this race earlier in the year. I now look for Pettersen to swim a 1:05 high in her breast stroke leg. What if she and Sasser combine for 2:00 front end? What do you think will be Connors’ time in the breast, 1:03 high? Marvel can get close to 57[57.39 at NESCACs] in the fly and Stern will anchor in 51. It still looks pretty close to me even if Ertel pops a low 55.

    • #35849

      Lleech (kc) and pasternak (eu) battle from the start and calvins Kat vinson will be too far behind, they will need to do some serious catching up. the breaststroke leg will determine the outcome — if connors will definitely open the field away from everyone, more importantly Emorys breaststroker. Ertel will keep the lead, but psaris will do some catching up (a matter of tenths). will kenyons anchor is .7 slower than Emorys anchor, Westby.

      if Emory wants to win this relay, someone will need to equate connors split.

      I can see calvin being in second after teh breaststroke leg, but Psaris will change that. If Calvin wants to grab the second (or even first), they will need a hell of a fly split, i dont think Weima was enough room to catch Westby.

    • #35850
      neswim
      Member

      @Nescacfan wrote:

      @neswim wrote:

      neswim: You and I talked about this race earlier in the year. I now look for Pettersen to swim a 1:05 high in her breast stroke leg. What if she and Sasser combine for 2:00 front end? What do you think will be Connors’ time in the breast, 1:03 high? Marvel can get close to 57[57.39 at NESCACs] in the fly and Stern will anchor in 51. It still looks pretty close to me even if Ertel pops a low 55.

      Well let see what’s changed..from last year since Amherst returns all of their relay swimmers. Even if Pettersen swims a 1:05, quite a drop from last year and from her 1:07 split at NECACs, no? The difference in this discussion is that Kenyon has several backstrokers capable of 58 low and not last year’s 59 and Ertel’s fly split. Also I suspect that Carlton will anchor and not Wise this year and based on the way she’s swimming, unrested, she should be 51 low.

      I actually can see Emory challenging, since Flader can probably go 1:05 and they have Psaris to outsplit Marvel (they’re even with Amherst) and Westby could beat Stern. Denison is not far behind with Casell, Faingold, Dain (they are 1+ seconds behind Amherst) and Zaleski (who could split 50 high)…there’s not enough sprinting in the br/fly legs, both swimmers are better 200 swimmers, so I see them finishing third.

      My take in a very exciting race:
      1) Kenyon (four balanced legs with Connors/Ertel the difference makers)
      2) Emory (I think the fly/free legs are enough to touch out Amherst)
      3) Amherst (Sasser and Stern are the bookends)
      4) Denison (I think its too much for Zaleski)

      I’m guessing here that Flader for Emory will have a very good taper ala last year, if not Amherst is second but the difference between 1st and 3rd should be small. I hope that everyone executes legal turns.

    • #35851

      Flader was 1:04.7 at conference last year. I agree that the breaststroke leg is crucial. I don’t think it’s over if Amherst is trailing Kenyon after the fly- I see Stern as the better sprinter over Carlton over 100 yards.

      Steen will go after wins in the relays, not necessarily national records, so Ertel could be on either the 200 or 800 FR. She’s pretty crucial to both. If she’s on the 800, they get a national record and win the race. If she’s not, it’ll be close with Wash U, Amherst, and Emory, who all have anchors who can go 1:51. However, I don’t think Kenyon will win the 200 FR without her, so I see her being put on the 200 FR. They will most certainly make runs at that 800 FR again over the next few years, especially with three members of the team this year being freshmen.

      How about that 400 Free Relay? Emory looks dangerous, with a 51. lead-off from Westby, and Lawler and Psaris capable of 51. as well. Their fourth swimmer would be crucial; possibly Holmes, Ciardelli, Hostalet, or Nicholson. Kenyon would put up Carlton, Wise, Toran, and Ertel. Connors or Menzel could swim it too if they needed. Of course, Calvin will be right there too. If all teams make the finals (Kenyon missed two years ago, Emory last year), that should be a fantastic finishing race.

    • #35852
      facenorth
      Member

      I think some of you might just be looking at Calvin’s seed time in the 400 medley and counting them out. While I wouldn’t peg them as a favorite I do think they have the ability to mix things up a bit on that relay and drop some time. For example, Katie White (2 seed in the 100 breast) wasn’t even on the 400 medley but managed to beat Emily Roberts by over 1.5 seconds.

      If you’re talking 4 free, it’ll be tough to discount the 3:29.1 Calvin went at MIAAs with Becky Weima not on top of her game.

    • #35853
      Nescacfan
      Member

      @facenorth wrote:

      I think some of you might just be looking at Calvin’s seed time in the 400 medley and counting them out. While I wouldn’t peg them as a favorite I do think they have the ability to mix things up a bit on that relay and drop some time. For example, Katie White (2 seed in the 100 breast) wasn’t even on the 400 medley but managed to beat Emily Roberts by over 1.5 seconds.

      If you’re talking 4 free, it’ll be tough to discount the 3:29.1 Calvin went at MIAAs with Becky Weima not on top of her game.

      I agree with you that Calvin will make a lot of noise in the relays. That’s why I think they have a good chance at third place in the meet. I am sure Weima will be a very motivated and fast anchor on four relays.

    • #35854
      crazyswimfan
      Member

      i predict a TIGHT race for 3rd in the 2 medley… do you see how stacked it is?!

    • #35855
      Nescacfan
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      Lleech (kc) and pasternak (eu) battle from the start and calvins Kat vinson will be too far behind, they will need to do some serious catching up. the breaststroke leg will determine the outcome —

      Wickedfoolish: I think you have discounted Sasser’s opening leg in the 400 Medley for Amherst. Even neswim admits that she could have a 3-second lead on the field. Amherst will lose time on the breast leg, but Emory is not that strong on that leg either. I thnk Amherst leads the field by a half second or so after the breast leg. All the other legs, not just the breast, are very important. Kenyon swims a combined 1:46 in the last two legs to win. Amherst may not beat Kenyon, but they beat Emory in this event.

    • #35856
      swimkin
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      How about that 400 Free Relay? Emory looks dangerous, with a 51. lead-off from Westby, and Lawler and Psaris capable of 51. as well. Their fourth swimmer would be crucial; possibly Holmes, Ciardelli, Hostalet, or Nicholson. Kenyon would put up Carlton, Wise, Toran, and Ertel. Connors or Menzel could swim it too if they needed. Of course, Calvin will be right there too. If all teams make the finals (Kenyon missed two years ago, Emory last year), that should be a fantastic finishing race.

      Kenyon has plenty of depth for both the 200 and 400 free relays. Don’t forget thet Allison Johnson, a breastroker, also swims a great freestyle. She was on both Championship free relays last year and did a great job on them both. She split a 52.45 on the 400 free relay and a 23.64 on the 200 free relay.

      So actually Kenyon has plenty of freestylers for those three relays. They have several decent sprint breaststrokers, and at least two decent sprint backstrokers for the Medleys. Ertel looks to be their only sprint flyer this season, so she will probably have to swim in both the medley relays. The only question here is what other relays she will be swimming.

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