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    • #12372

      I psyched the unofficial psyche sheet. Here’s what I got.

      Numbers:
      Kenyon: 20 This is a problem. They have three relay-only girls and will have to cut two of them to get 18 (Toran, Wise, or Hurd). Toran and Wise are on both sprint free relays, but at least one will have to go, I think. Wise has the faster time that Toran in the 50 Free, and Hurd has no cuts. Menzel could replace Toran on both relays. Regardless, they will win this meet easily if they hit their taper.

      Denison- 14
      Emory- 14
      Middlebury- 13 (9 relay-onlys who have no cuts)
      Amherst- 11
      Calvin- 10
      Williams- 10
      Wheaton- 9 (7 relay-onlys who have no cuts)
      Hope- 9

      All of row 19 makes it, and Conter, Flader, and Ratcliff (1 fly, 2 IM, 4 IM) make it from row 20. All row 11 relays make it, and Mary Washington’s 400 FR makes it from row 12. Comes out to a perfect 146 individual and 64 relay only; that is if selection is such that they eliminate two of the Kenyon relay-only women. If Kenyon has the choice to not have two of their individual qualifiers go (I’m not sure how that works), then they would probably take out Johnson, Amador, Misslin, or Spahlinger instead of losing two valuable sprinters for their relays. Who knows. I guess we’ll all find out in a few minutes anyway…

    • #35697
      RadAGator
      Member

      all the women’s conference meets are done, right?

    • #35698

      Psyche sheet is out today, so yes.

    • #35699
      neswim
      Member

      Women teams were required to submit their entries by Monday by 11:59 pm.
      Official psyche sheet should be published Friday Feb 26th

      Men teams are required to submit their entries Monday Feb 26th by 11:59 pm. Official psyche sheet should be published Friday March 2nd.

      No specific comments re the Kenyon “problem” except to state the obvious that all teams should have such problems.

      I’d day that Denison has a good chance to beat out Emory for second, unless Emory has highly placed divers.

    • #35700

      Woops, didn’t realize it was Friday. I guess that makes sense to give some time for the coaches to make sure the entries are correct.

    • #35701
      openwater
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      I psyched the unofficial psyche sheet. Here’s what I got.

      Numbers:
      Kenyon: 20 This is a problem. They have three relay-only girls and will have to cut two of them to get 18 (Toran, Wise, or Hurd). Toran and Wise are on both sprint free relays, but at least one will have to go, I think. Wise has the faster time that Toran in the 50 Free, and Hurd has no cuts. Menzel could replace Toran on both relays. Regardless, they will win this meet easily if they hit their taper.

      Denison- 14
      Emory- 14
      Middlebury- 13 (9 relay-onlys who have no cuts)
      Amherst- 11
      Calvin- 10
      Williams- 10
      Wheaton- 9 (7 relay-onlys who have no cuts)
      Hope- 9

      All of row 19 makes it, and Conter, Flader, and Ratcliff (1 fly, 2 IM, 4 IM) make it from row 20. All row 11 relays make it, and Mary Washington’s 400 FR makes it from row 12. Comes out to a perfect 146 individual and 64 relay only; that is if selection is such that they eliminate two of the Kenyon relay-only women. If Kenyon has the choice to not have two of their individual qualifiers go (I’m not sure how that works), then they would probably take out Johnson, Amador, Misslin, or Spahlinger instead of losing two valuable sprinters for their relays. Who knows. I guess we’ll all find out in a few minutes anyway…

      I did the math this afternoon as well and came to the exact same conclusion. Without stalking the Kenyon website for 50 Back and sprint freestyle times, it seems that Kenyon should drop two of the individual qualifiers – Misslin is a Junior and has seeds of 22,14,32 and although a Senior, Spahlinger has seeds of 71, 18 and 15 while the other 2 mentioned have seeds of 29, 8, 8 and 50, 14, 7.

      If they drop 2 individual qualifies then 2 more get in and they would be Giovanni and Fergeson. If Giovanni gets in because of her individual event that opens up a relay only entry which in theory lets St. Olaf in from row 13 except all 4 of those swimmers are relay only which is not allowed and hence one more individual gets in which would be Becky Alexander.

      Lot’s of dominos waiting to fall depending on what Kenyon does (and is allowed to do).

    • #35702

      Tell me about it…I certainly have an opinion about what I hope happens! Thanks for the work Spoon. That was my basic conclusion as well, but I didn’t get thru the process to confirm my gut instinct before you did. It’s nice knowing that there are bigger (ok maybe as big of) swim nerds as I am.

    • #35703

      Something in that Emory water, Southwestern. It made ME a swimming nerd, too, and I don’t even have any swimmers entered in the women’s meet, and here I am looking at this post!

      GCV

    • #35704

      @openwater wrote:

      I did the math this afternoon as well and came to the exact same conclusion. Without stalking the Kenyon website for 50 Back and sprint freestyle times, it seems that Kenyon should drop two of the individual qualifiers – Misslin is a Junior and has seeds of 22,14,32 and although a Senior, Spahlinger has seeds of 71, 18 and 15 while the other 2 mentioned have seeds of 29, 8, 8 and 50, 14, 7.

      If they drop 2 individual qualifies then 2 more get in and they would be Giovanni and Fergeson. If Giovanni gets in because of her individual event that opens up a relay only entry which in theory lets St. Olaf in from row 13 except all 4 of those swimmers are relay only which is not allowed and hence one more individual gets in which would be Becky Alexander.

      Lot’s of dominos waiting to fall depending on what Kenyon does (and is allowed to do).

      Great work on the end there! It gets so confusing.

      Can we agree that Kenyon will win this meet? They are simply too strong in breaststroke (a first for them?) and distance for Emory to keep up. I think they’re really going to have to miss their collective taper to allow another team a chance.

    • #35705
      swimkin
      Member

      As for Kenyon women, having 20 swimmers is awesome and each one of them no matter who goes home would have been a welcome swimmer on any other D3 team. I would hate to be the one to let them know that they would have to sit it out.

      Anyway, I have a gut feeling that Hurd on the 50 back would be the first to go. She was very fast on that medley last year AND was a National champion. Last year, she qualifed for Nationals with B cuts in the 50 and 100 free. She actually made finals in the 50 free. Being a relay only swimmer this year has put her at a major disadvantage, however. Steen has two other backstrokers (Leech and Barer) going to Nationals that could easily swim in prelims or finals for the medleys.

      The next one out would be a tough one. I am guessing he might keep Spahlinger bc she is a Senior, but he will go with whomever he feels will get him the most points at Nationals. I think Amador will stay bc she is his only 200 flyer and she could final in that event and possibly the 400IM. She has the potential to do well in the 200 IM, too, but she is better at the 400 wheareas Misslin may be faster in the 200. Amador finished 5th in the 200 fly, was 9th in the 400 IM and finished 16th in the 200 IM last year at Nationals. Misslin finished 13th in the 200 IM last year and 15th in the 400IM. So Amador would be the best swimmer of these three.

      I don’t think that he would sacrifice his sprint freestyler relay only swimmers (who also performed very well last year at Nationals). My guess is that he would probably drop either Misslin or Spahlinger along with Hurd. Johnson would stay. Of course, we will all find out who will be going by Friday.

    • #35706
      Low Tide
      Member

      How bad would it suck to qualify for nationals, and then be cut?

      Kenyon, spread the wealth! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #35707
      Nescacfan
      Member

      It looks like a battle for second between Denison and Emory and a battle for fourth[the “last piece of wood”] between Calvin and Amherst.

    • #35708
      silentp
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      How bad would it suck to qualify for nationals, and then be cut?

      Kenyon, spread the wealth! ๐Ÿ™‚

      Did I miss it, or do they only have 3 seniors also? Wow.

    • #35709
      neswim
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

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      Did I miss it, or do they only have 3 seniors also? Wow.

      That’s correct only 3 seniors and another strong freshman class. Also quite a few underclass women with B cut times, so its also a strong bench, especially when you consider the Kenyon track record of improving their swimmers over a four year period.

    • #35710
      openwater
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      @openwater wrote:

      I did the math this afternoon as well and came to the exact same conclusion. Without stalking the Kenyon website for 50 Back and sprint freestyle times, it seems that Kenyon should drop two of the individual qualifiers – Misslin is a Junior and has seeds of 22,14,32 and although a Senior, Spahlinger has seeds of 71, 18 and 15 while the other 2 mentioned have seeds of 29, 8, 8 and 50, 14, 7.

      If they drop 2 individual qualifies then 2 more get in and they would be Giovanni and Fergeson. If Giovanni gets in because of her individual event that opens up a relay only entry which in theory lets St. Olaf in from row 13 except all 4 of those swimmers are relay only which is not allowed and hence one more individual gets in which would be Becky Alexander.

      Lot’s of dominos waiting to fall depending on what Kenyon does (and is allowed to do).

      Great work on the end there! It gets so confusing.

      Can we agree that Kenyon will win this meet? They are simply too strong in breaststroke (a first for them?) and distance for Emory to keep up. I think they’re really going to have to miss their collective taper to allow another team a chance.

      Actually here are some further thoughts. If Kenyon drops 2 of their relay only swimmers then the result is the same – 2 more relay only swimmers get in, the Olaf relay has 4 relay only swimmers so those swims get moved to the Individual entry side of the ledger and Giovanni and Fergeson get in but since Giovanni is already in from the previous round of relay acceptances then one additional swimmer gets in – Alexander. So I am predicting that Rambish will be the first alternate for the meet.

    • #35711
      sluggo
      Member

      Spoon,

      How is your alma mater looking?

    • #35712
      MentalEdge
      Member

      @openwater wrote:

      So I am predicting that Rambish will be the first alternate for the meet.

      There’s a rumor here that our lone GCC girl may be injured and have to drop out of the meet. I’m not sure if it’s true or not… (I know that sounds dumb seeing as how I swim with her) but that could shake things up.

    • #35713

      @sluggo wrote:

      Spoon,

      How is your alma mater looking?

      The women are looking great, those that did make it to the meet. Unfortunately, Bryll won’t make it ito the meet, so they’ll have to skip one of the medley relays.

      What’s really unfortunate is that Tina Deneweth had to quit this year because of her back. She was a 55.8 relay flyer. Kelly MacArthur also quit, who was a 1:06.0 breaststroker. Add Nordbrock with a 57.2 back and Marin Hawk with a 50. on the end, and that would have been a no-worse-than 2nd place 400 MR (3:49.).

      Priya Srikanth will most likely be invited to dive, so you’re looking at a team that will have 14 individual events and 4 relays, two of which will final. I think they have a great chance to contend for sixth place. It’ll be tough to beat Williams and Middlebury with their stronger relays overall, but I think there will be enough individual firepower to do it. And who knows, if Calvin or Amherst can’t hit a second taper, Wash U could overtake one of them. So much to ponder!

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