Women’s official psych sheet. Divers posted by noon.

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    • #12373
      Nescacfan
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    • #35714
      Nescacfan
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      I notice that Julie Kim of Amherst [she would have been above the line in the 500 and 1650] free has elected not to swim at Nationals. I understand she has been swimming injured the last month of the season. Kim led off Amherst’s winning 800 Free Relay at Nationals last year. I’m sure she will be missed in Houston.

    • #35715
      neswim
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      As stated elsewhere looks like a very fast meet especially at the top.

      1) Who will win the most individual events?

      2) Who will break the most individual records?

      3) Who will win the most national titles?

      4) What will the be single best performance of the meet?

      5) Who will be the swimmer of the meet?

      6) Who will be the coach of the meet?

      My guesses:

      1) Weima
      2) Several tied at two (Orstein, Weima, Sasser)
      3) Ertel four (three relays one individual)
      4) Sasser in the 200 back
      5) Weima
      6) Steen

      I’ve been wrong before.

    • #35716
      ajp
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      I’m not going to reply to all of em, since I don’t like to speculate on my swimmers in public.

      But #4) What will the be single best performance of the meet?

      This will be the Kenyon 800 free relay. It’s one performace of 4 performances. But still. Look out.

    • #35717

      1 and 2) Leigh Psaris- Emory

    • #35718

      psaris is def looking good for 1 and 2

    • #35719

      its looking that the breaststrokes and the mile are slower this year.

    • #35720

      w/o hinz and white, there is no one under 17 min so the top end will look a little slower, but i think the rest should be pretty normal. the mile seeds are always a little slow compared to what actually goes down

    • #35721

      i think everyone that got a B cut in the mile got invited…

    • #35722
      Derek
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      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      i think everyone that got a B cut in the mile got invited…

      Unless there were some non-entries, you are right. That is so crazy. The cut time was 8 seconds slower this year than last. Some very fortunate girls this year.

    • #35723

      How about Lauren Preyss? In theory, she should slaughter Weima in the 200; that is if she can go near her best, which is 1:47.

      It will be hard for Sasser to have the best swim of the meet. What a lot of people don’t realize is that backstroke in D III is very slow on the whole. For instance, Will Cunningham’s record 100 back last year was one of the slowest winning times of the meet, according to Power Points which are used to determine the quality of swims, both in the U.S. and internationally. His 48.59 (879 points) was equivalent to a 1:40.45 200 Free.

      Using Weima’s 200 Free winning time of 1:49.02 from last year, the best non-Payne swim, here are the approximate equivalent swims (906 power points):
      50 Free: 22.96 (Weima?)
      100 Free: 50.30 (Preyss? Weima?)
      500 Free: 4:49.75 (Hmmm)
      1650 Free: 16:32.00 (Not a CHANCE)
      100 Back: 54.70 (Sasser?)
      200 Back: 1:57.50 (Sasser?)
      100 Breast: 1:02.50 (Orstein? Norsworthy?)
      200 Breast: 2:14.90 (Nobody)
      100 Fly: 53.95 (Nobody)
      200 Fly: 1:59.45 (Psaris? Kephart?)
      200 IM: 2:02.30 (Orstein? Ertel?)
      400 IM: 4:15.75 (Nobody)
      200 FR: 1:33.80 (Kenyon? Calvin?)
      400 FR: 3:25.40 (Nobody)
      800 FR: 7:28.30 (Kenyon?)
      200 MR: 1:43.25 (Nobody)
      400 MR: 3:45.50 (Nobody)

    • #35724
      My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Well I call BS on Will Cunninghams 100 back then, Power Points or not. a 48.5 is not to far off making the DI meet (48.3 I think last yaer? 48.1? It was a 48 something) but it takes a 1:36 low to make the meet in the 200 free – a 1:40 is NOTHING like a 48 100 back Its more than two seconds off the B cut (1:37.8 I believe), while the backstroke B cut is like 48.8. No personal offense meant, I was close to neither! : )

      What power point caculator are you using? The one I just used at usaswimming has a 48.6 100 back equal to about a 1:37 flat 200 free, which seems about right to me.

    • #35725
      swim5599
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      well I personally think power rankings are not a good way to measure whether a swim is considered good or not. Maybe Cunningham’s record is not faster than some of the other ones, but hey its still the record.

    • #35726
      neswim
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      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      It will be hard for Sasser to have the best swim of the meet. What a lot of people don’t realize is that backstroke in D III is very slow on the whole. For instance, Will Cunningham’s record 100 back last year was one of the slowest winning times of the meet, according to Power Points which are used to determine the quality of swims, both in the U.S. and internationally. His 48.59 (879 points) was equivalent to a 1:40.45 200 Free.

      Did I miss something or is Sasser within .5 second of your time standard for the 100 back and not much further off in the 200 back UNSHAVED this year????

      I don’t disagree with the statement that there a bunch of contenders for this award given the incredible depth of the women’s field this year but seems to me that Sasser is very much in the mix.

      Re comments on breaststroke..obviously with Payne gone the fastest times will be slower but both invite times for the 100/200 breast are faster this year.

    • #35727
      Colbybr
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      I know that power points are one way of comparing times, but I’m not sure it always pans out correctly. For instance, I believe cunningham’s 100 back would be a b cut d1, what is the b cut for 200 free in d1, 1:38? Thats another way you could compare.

    • #35728

      All these comments are very valid. I’m using the power point calculator on the dual meet entry form from collegeswimming.com.

      In terms of comparing 100 back and 200 free swims to their B cuts in DI, the 200 free has to have a “faster” cut because you have so many more swimmers competing in that event (the middle ground for sprint and distance freestylers). It would stand to reason that they need to make that cut faster since more people are taking a crack at it.

      I tend to rate swims based on power points because I want to know how it rates objectively rather than subjectively. The other side of the coin is to look at a swim like Cunningham’s last year, or like Sasser will inevitably swim at nationals this year, and rate it based on how much they dominate, which certainly did/will happen. With that in mind, I agree that Sasser will have the most dominating swims at nationals this year, because in backstroke, nobody is close to her right now.

    • #35729
      Flicka
      Member

      I know someone out there has done it already…

      What does the meet look like if the psyche sheet is scored out as it stands? I know, not a very accurate indicator, but it definitely shows who has points to lose and who has points to gain come Nationals.

      Come on Excel guys…don’t let me down.

    • #35730
      JHU84
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      My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:
      H. His 48.59 (879 points) was equivalent to a 1:40.45 200 Free.

      Using Weima’s 200 Free winning time of 1:49.02 from last year, the best non-Payne swim, here are the approximate equivalent swims (906 power points):
      quote]

      where do you get 906?

      117 1:49.02 1:49.02 838 Weima, Becky Yes 21 US Unattached 2006 MN NCAA Champs D3 03/09/2006 Nationals

    • #35731
      neswim
      Member

      @Flicka wrote:

      I know someone out there has done it already…

      What does the meet look like if the psyche sheet is scored out as it stands? I know, not a very accurate indicator, but it definitely shows who has points to lose and who has points to gain come Nationals.

      Come on Excel guys…don’t let me down.

      Women:

      1) Kenyon 2) Denison an 3)Emory

      The Denison vs Emory ranking is not all that accurate since its close enough that a few great races by some swimmers could make the difference.

      The Kenyon advantage appears substantial but they still need to have their best meet of the year in Houston.

      Men:

      Too many meets contested by men last weekend, especially NECAC that will change the rankings. We’ll know by Wednesday as far as pro forma scoring.

    • #35732
      Flicka
      Member

      @neswim wrote:

      Women:

      1) Kenyon 2) Denison an 3)Emory

      The Denison vs Emory ranking is not all that accurate since its close enough that a few great races by some swimmers could make the difference.

      The Kenyon advantage appears substantial but they still need to have their best meet of the year in Houston.

      Any numbers to go with these rankings? I don’t doubt that you’re right, I’d just prefer an actual numerical value rather than the indicators “close” and “substantial”. Also, if you scored it out, how does the top ten look? Any other fun team battles further down the rankings?

    • #35733

      @neswim wrote:

      Men:

      Too many meets contested by men last weekend, especially NECAC that will change the rankings. We’ll know by Wednesday as far as pro forma scoring.

      based off how the nescacs went, i wouldnt be too surprized if Williams gave denison (and emory) a run for second/third place.

    • #35734

      Again, from collegeswimming.com. On the dual meet scoring sheet on the left you can enter a time and get the corresponding points.

      I am actually just now checking out the Hy-Tek points at usaswimming.org; they are completely different! Anyone who knows me can safely guess that this is rocking my world right now, because I’ve always used those points at collegeswimming.com to put swims in perspective. I’m going to go with the Hy-Tek points on this one.

      SO, to put things in perspective, Cunningham’s swim is actually really awesome, not only in and of itself which was always obvious, but also compared to other DIII records. He’s just two points below Josh Boss’s 54.69, and about 20 behind Aaron Cole’s 100 fly record.

      Now then, for the women’s meet, can Brittany Sasser have the best swim? Let’s see… her 100 and 200 records right now stand at 885 and 884 points respectively, which is equivalent to a 1:47-mid 200 free. That also compares to a 53.9 100 fly, which I think is safe to say won’t happen this year.

      Whoever originally said that Sasser will have the best swims of the meet, I’m in total agreement right now. These new points are life-changing.

      @JHU84 wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      H. His 48.59 (879 points) was equivalent to a 1:40.45 200 Free.

      Using Weima’s 200 Free winning time of 1:49.02 from last year, the best non-Payne swim, here are the approximate equivalent swims (906 power points):
      quote]

      where do you get 906?

      117 1:49.02 1:49.02 838 Weima, Becky Yes 21 US Unattached 2006 MN NCAA Champs D3 03/09/2006 Nationals

    • #35735
      neswim
      Member
      My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:
      Again, from collegeswimming.com. On the dual meet scoring sheet on the left you can enter a time and get the corresponding points.

      Whoever originally said that Sasser will have the best swims of the meet, I’m in total agreement right now. These new points are life-changing.

      My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:
      That would be yours truly.

      If Sasser swims a 1:57 200 back then that would be the performance of the meet on several counts including relative strength of the swim (powerpoints) AND gap on the field. Note she already goes into this meet with a six second gap on the field and history suggests she’ll swim faster in Houston. That’s a Spitz-like or Thorpe-like gap on the field…or perhaps more appropriately a Payne-like gap on the field.

      I don’t think Sasser can win the 200 IM so swimmer of the meet might not be in the cards for her if some of the other quick ladies triumph three times in individual events.

    • #35736

      I can definitely see Pasternak going 2:00. in the 200 back, but that would still be a three second gap, which is huge in any 200, no matter the stroke.

      I think you’re right about the swimmer of the meet being the woman who does not lose an event. I remember two years ago when Payne got the award over Marsman, even though the latter went 22.9 and 49.4 (Payne was 1:02 and 2:15). However, Payne didn’t lose an event and swam on five relays, whereas Marsman lost the 200 free to Becky Weima. Both also won two relays.

      Sasser for sure though if no one wins three.

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