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    • #12443
      Nescacfan
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      Who will win the final event of the women’s meet. This event will probaby decide second place for the championships. After the diving event, Calvin and Amherst will be separated by less than 10 points. Both teams break 3:28. Will Kenyon be lower?

    • #36457

      Pettersen is definitely on fire still through day 2. They swam Marvel and Morrison on it at conference, but both only went 53. I’d say they can switch one out for Pettersen (I’m assuming she can produce something fast given her breast, fly, and IM times). They’ll definitely be pumped after last night. Also, can anyone catch Stern on the end?

      Kenyon has a lot more depth in this event than they had in the 800 FR, since Ertel eliminates the need for them to search for someone to fill the fourth spot. They will go with Ertel, Carlton, and Wise, and then can fill that last spot with Menzel, Connors, or Toran, although Connors doesn’t look to be completely on. Those girls could probably all flat start a 52.

      Calvin should be close competition. Three of their girls qualified individually for the 100, and from what I can tell they’re all hitting their tapers nicely, except for possibly Weima, who is still, no doubt, swimming fast. The 400 could be more exciting than the 100, albeit with no team coming within 2.5 seconds of the record.

    • #36458
      oldswimnfool
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      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Pettersen is definitely on fire still through day 2. They swam Marvel and Morrison on it at conference, but both only went 53. I’d say they can switch one out for Pettersen (I’m assuming she can produce something fast given her breast, fly, and IM times). They’ll definitely be pumped after last night. Also, can anyone catch Stern on the end?

      Kenyon has a lot more depth in this event than they had in the 800 FR, since Ertel eliminates the need for them to search for someone to fill the fourth spot. They will go with Ertel, Carlton, and Wise, and then can fill that last spot with Menzel, Connors, or Toran, although Connors doesn’t look to be completely on. Those girls could probably all flat start a 52.

      Calvin should be close competition. Three of their girls qualified individually for the 100, and from what I can tell they’re all hitting their tapers nicely, except for possibly Weima, who is still, no doubt, swimming fast. The 400 could be more exciting than the 100, albeit with no team coming within 2.5 seconds of the record.

      I agree – I see the order of finish as:
      1. Kenyon
      2. Calvin
      3. Amherst

      – I would assume that would allow Amherst to finish Second overall?

    • #36459

      Possible line-ups from prelims:

      Kenyon
      Ertel 51.25
      Carlton 51.89
      Wise
      Toran

      Calvin
      Weima 51.13
      Vinson 52.73
      White 53.13
      Duncan 54.27

      Amherst
      Stern 51.50
      Marvel 52.73
      Sasser
      Morrison/Pettersen

      Emory
      Westby 51.10
      Nicholson 52.66
      Lawler
      Psaris

      Denison
      Zaleski 51.71
      Hohl 52.54
      Novinger 53.96
      Faingold

      Close! Emory looks to be in awfully good shape. That’s the same relay as last night, except Lawler is now in her element. Nicholson is better on that relay than Tripp was on the 800. Calvin isn’t looking as good with that swim from Duncan. Carlton finally swimming closer to her potential in the 100 for Kenyon, and Marvel having a great swim from Amherst.

    • #36460
      neswim
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Kenyon has a lot more depth in this event than they had in the 800 FR, since Ertel eliminates the need for them to search for someone to fill the fourth spot. They will go with Ertel, Carlton, and Wise, and then can fill that last spot with Menzel, Connors, or Toran, although Connors doesn’t look to be completely on. Those girls could probably all flat start a 52.

      I think the swimmers most likely to be the fourth on the Kenyon relay in order of probability: 1) Toran 2) Arad 3) Wenzlau and 4) Menzel….Toran and Arad have been 53 low in-season (and Arad was not rested)…Wenzlau and Menzel are perhaps longer shots but obviously have speed. I think the 4th spot is likely Toran’s based on her swim in the prelims…she should split 52 mid with relay start….if everyone’s on their game they should go 27 high or 28 low.

    • #36461
      The Treat
      Member

      @Nescacfan wrote:

      Who will win the final event of the women’s meet. This event will probaby decide second place for the championships. After the diving event, Calvin and Amherst will be separated by less than 10 points. Both teams break 3:28. Will Kenyon be lower?

      I could be wrong but Amherst will have run away with 2nd by this point.

      Does anyone have different?

      Amherst 305
      Calvin 254
      Emory 261
      Denison 255

      Anyone have different?

    • #36462
      neswim
      Member

      @neswim wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Kenyon has a lot more depth in this event than they had in the 800 FR, since Ertel eliminates the need for them to search for someone to fill the fourth spot. They will go with Ertel, Carlton, and Wise, and then can fill that last spot with Menzel, Connors, or Toran, although Connors doesn’t look to be completely on. Those girls could probably all flat start a 52.

      I think the swimmers most likely to be the fourth on the Kenyon relay in order of probability: 1) Toran 2) Arad 3) Wenzlau and 4) Menzel….Toran and Arad have been 53 low in-season (and Arad was not rested)…Wenzlau and Menzel are perhaps longer shots but obviously have speed. I think the 4th spot is likely Toran’s based on her swim in the prelims…she should split 52 mid with relay start….if everyone’s on their game they should go 27 high or 28 low.

      don’t know why I can’t get the results of the prelims on my computer but Kenyon swam 3:27 followed by Amherst (28) and Emory.

      This morning Kenyon put Ertel, Toran, Menzel and Wise……don’t know what they’ll do tonight.

      BTW, Amherst should have second locked up based on the prelim swims so Emory is fighting for third with Calvin and Denison.

    • #36463
      The Treat
      Member

      @neswim wrote:

      @neswim wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Kenyon has a lot more depth in this event than they had in the 800 FR, since Ertel eliminates the need for them to search for someone to fill the fourth spot. They will go with Ertel, Carlton, and Wise, and then can fill that last spot with Menzel, Connors, or Toran, although Connors doesn’t look to be completely on. Those girls could probably all flat start a 52.

      I think the swimmers most likely to be the fourth on the Kenyon relay in order of probability: 1) Toran 2) Arad 3) Wenzlau and 4) Menzel….Toran and Arad have been 53 low in-season (and Arad was not rested)…Wenzlau and Menzel are perhaps longer shots but obviously have speed. I think the 4th spot is likely Toran’s based on her swim in the prelims…she should split 52 mid with relay start….if everyone’s on their game they should go 27 high or 28 low.

      don’t know why I can’t get the results of the prelims on my computer but Kenyon swam 3:27 followed by Amherst (28) and Emory.

      This morning Kenyon put Ertel, Toran, Menzel and Wise……don’t know what they’ll do tonight.

      BTW, Amherst should have second locked up based on the prelim swims so Emory is fighting for third with Calvin and Denison.

      do you know where wash u and denison ended up?

    • #36464

      So, Kenyon will take off Menzel and put on Carlton, by the sound of things.

      Since results aren’t up on the website, here is the final heat:
      Kenyon 3:27.16
      Amherst 3:28.68
      Emory 3:28.82
      Denison 3:30.00
      Hope 3:30.98
      Wash U 3:31.42
      Williams 3:31.70
      Calvin 3:31.74

      Calvin’s out of it big time; Duncan is flat. Emory will battle Amherst for second.

      Here are the scores I have, without diving:
      Amherst 338
      Emory 292
      Denison 284
      Calvin 252 (add 20-30 points with divers)

    • #36465
      oldswimnfool
      Member

      It looks as if in team scoring Amherst has locked up 2nd, so then the next question is can Denison make up the 10 points in finals tonight/ will Emory drop enough points to open up 3 place?

    • #36466
      Nescacfan
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      So, Kenyon will take off Menzel and put on Carlton, by the sound of things.

      Since results aren’t up on the website, here is the final heat:
      Kenyon 3:27.16
      Amherst 3:28.68
      Emory 3:28.82
      Denison 3:30.00
      Hope 3:30.98
      Wash U 3:31.42
      Williams 3:31.70
      Calvin 3:31.74

      Calvin’s out of it big time; Duncan is flat. Emory will battle Amherst for second.

      Here are the scores I have, without diving:
      Amherst 338
      Emory 292
      Denison 284
      Calvin 252 (add 20-30 points with divers)

      Spoon:

      I agree with your point forecast. In the 400 free relay, I expect Amherst to go with the following swimmers[my predicted time]:

      Sasser 51.5
      Marvel 52.5
      Morrison 52.5
      Stern 50.5

      1:27

      Kenyon will need a 1:26 to win–not much faster than their pre-lim time.

    • #36467
      neswim
      Member

      I think Kenyon swims a 3:26 high tonight and wins. I’m not convinced still of the makeup of four…probably Carlton for Menzel….

    • #36468
      neswim
      Member

      @Nescacfan wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      So, Kenyon will take off Menzel and put on Carlton, by the sound of things.

      Since results aren’t up on the website, here is the final heat:
      Kenyon 3:27.16
      Amherst 3:28.68
      Emory 3:28.82
      Denison 3:30.00
      Hope 3:30.98
      Wash U 3:31.42
      Williams 3:31.70
      Calvin 3:31.74

      Calvin’s out of it big time; Duncan is flat. Emory will battle Amherst for second.

      Here are the scores I have, without diving:
      Amherst 338
      Emory 292
      Denison 284
      Calvin 252 (add 20-30 points with divers)

      Spoon:

      I agree with your point forecast. In the 400 free relay, I expect Amherst to go with the following swimmers[my predicted time]:

      Sasser 51.5
      Marvel 52.5
      Morrison 52.5
      Stern 50.5

      1:27

      Kenyon will need a 1:26 to win–not much faster than their pre-lim time.

      NESCAC….I don’t think Amherst is going to beat Kenyon tonight. Still they should finish 2nd…Where will Emory finish?

    • #36469

      Emory looks VERY STRONG. Nicholson went a 52.2 tonight. Lawler can go 51, Westby can lead off with that, and Psaris can also anchor with that. In other words, all four legs can go 51. They should be fast, and even contend for the title.

    • #36470
      neswim
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Emory looks VERY STRONG. Nicholson went a 52.2 tonight. Lawler can go 51, Westby can lead off with that, and Psaris can also anchor with that. In other words, all four legs can go 51. They should be fast, and even contend for the title.

      Sound good but Kenyon wins!!!

      3:26 and Emory was unable to hold 51s for all four splits.

    • #36471
      oldswimnfool
      Member

      @neswim wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Emory looks VERY STRONG. Nicholson went a 52.2 tonight. Lawler can go 51, Westby can lead off with that, and Psaris can also anchor with that. In other words, all four legs can go 51. They should be fast, and even contend for the title.

      Sound good but Kenyon wins!!!

      3:26 and Emory was unable to hold 51s for all four splits.

      Who was second/third/fourth?

    • #36472
      swimkin
      Member

      Where are you getting your results? Obviously from an insider at the meet. So where did the rest of the teams all finish?

    • #36473
      neswim
      Member

      Results 1) Kenyon 2) Emory 3) Calvin and 4) Amherst for 400 free relay.

    • #36474
      oldswimnfool
      Member

      Thanks!

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