Will Westby post top times at conference

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    • #12321
      shootmeup
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      Westby has been swimming his fastest all season and even if he has his eyes on nationals. do you see him not going much faster then he has all season. do any GAC or carleton guys have a chance to beat him in the 100 fly or 200 IM. is marshal going to swim the 100 breast? i havent taken a look at the psych sheet so im not so sure.

    • #35069

      I think that Ted will beat Nelson in the 200 IM

      Nobody will beat Nelson in the 100 Fly

      It will be really close in the 100 breast between Nelson and Wareham but I am going to say that Wareham wins the 100 breast at conference.

    • #35070

      I’m assuming Westby is training to try and win 3 events at Nats. Looking at last years results:

      200 IM finals time would have been 2nd (but he finished top of the boner heat).

      100 fly was 4th behind 3 seniors.

      100 breast was 4th behind 2 seniors and 1 soph… who touched him out by tenth.

      If he tapers for Nats, he has a legit shot of winning 2-3 events. I think that outweighs the 2-6 points he might cost Olaf by not fully tapering for conference. The assistant/Co-Head coach Haucks would be doing Westby a disservice by tapering him for conference.

      So I’d think he maybe matches his seed times or is maybe a bit slower… loses to a tapered Marschall in the 200 IM, wins the 100 fly, and loses the 100 breast to a tapered Wareham (unless Wareham misses the meet for band camp).

    • #35071
      lane 6er
      Member

      Nelson doesn’t lose to anyone in our conference, period. I don’t care if he did 10,000 yards on wednesday, he wouldn’t let himself lose to anyone. Look at the Carleton dual. If you were there then you could have seen that he was behind going into the freestyle leg of the 200IM to a far superior endurace freestyler (as readers of this forum would think), but yet he still touched Ted out in the end. I don’t see Nelson losing to anyone in any event this year at conference. He just is too good of a competitor.

    • #35072
      Eladron
      Member

      I can think of two specific examples of Westby losing to people in our conference, both of them by chance occured about this time a year ago. So to say he “doesn’t lose to anyone in our conference, period.” may be a bit over the top. I’m not saying he isn’t favored in most if not all of his events, but to think there aren’t people who could take him out is ridiculous.

    • #35073

      So he touched out Ted Marschall by .12 seconds. Ted was probably saving his energy for his 50.06 anchor on the 400 free relay.

      If Marschall tapers (which I am guessing he will since he doesn’t have any A-cuts), and he doesn’t loaf his final 50, I think he beats him.

      Marschall beat him last year at conference too.

      My money is on Marschall, literally.

    • #35074
      shootmeup
      Member

      @lane 6er wrote:

      Nelson doesn’t lose to anyone in our conference, period. I don’t care if he did 10,000 yards on wednesday, he wouldn’t let himself lose to anyone. Look at the Carleton dual. If you were there then you could have seen that he was behind going into the freestyle leg of the 200IM to a far superior endurace freestyler (as readers of this forum would think), but yet he still touched Ted out in the end. I don’t see Nelson losing to anyone in any event this year at conference. He just is too good of a competitor.

      haha he would lose to lots of people if he swam the 200 fly. the 100 fly he can have id like to see him swim the 200 fly against stewert or ziegler. pretty sure he went a 158 in the 200 fly and both stewert and ziegler have gone under that this year.

      so i think he would def. lose to both of them and more in our conference.

      sorry hes only human.

    • #35075
      The Treat
      Member

      @shootmeup wrote:

      @lane 6er wrote:

      Nelson doesn’t lose to anyone in our conference, period. I don’t care if he did 10,000 yards on wednesday, he wouldn’t let himself lose to anyone. Look at the Carleton dual. If you were there then you could have seen that he was behind going into the freestyle leg of the 200IM to a far superior endurace freestyler (as readers of this forum would think), but yet he still touched Ted out in the end. I don’t see Nelson losing to anyone in any event this year at conference. He just is too good of a competitor.

      haha he would lose to lots of people if he swam the 200 fly. the 100 fly he can have id like to see him swim the 200 fly against stewert or ziegler. pretty sure he went a 158 in the 200 fly and both stewert and ziegler have gone under that this year.

      so i think he would def. lose to both of them and more in our conference.

      sorry hes only human.

      well sure if you dont put him in his best events, but who will do that? he can have the 100 fly? isnt the 100 fly more important b/c it can help the relay? i’ll go the other way and say you can have the 200 fly. i’d rather have the 100 fly. im not saying he’d never lose to anyone, ever, but i think lane 6er meant his three best events (200 im, 100 fly, 100 br).

    • #35076
      the Todd
      Member

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      If he tapers for Nats, he has a legit shot of winning 2-3 events. I think that outweighs the 2-6 points he might cost Olaf by not fully tapering for conference. The assistant/Co-Head coach Haucks would be doing Westby a disservice by tapering him for conference.

      the Todd says “What?” Have you looked at the score of this meet. Look through the psych sheet and you will see that this meet will come down to every single point. If you notice those 2-6 points that Westby might lose, some will go to GAC. In a meet this close it would be a disservice to the team to not have Westby able to win three events.

    • #35077
      Look Up
      Member

      I kinda Agree with The Todd. But IF Westby loses any points it will be 3 in the 200 IM. These points would go to Carleton. In the breast if he loses to Wareham, Olaf still gets the points. Anyway, Westby probably won’t lose the 2 IM. My guess would be he does a very short taper (2-3 days) for conference to ensure the team gets his points. He’ll go at least his seed time if not faster. I don’t know Marschall’s seed time from last year, but his record from the meet is still 1.2 off of Westby’s seed this year. So good luck to Marschall, but Westby’s got it.

    • #35078
      lane 6er
      Member

      Yes, Treat had it right. I meant Nelson wouldn’t lose to anyone in his three events. Obviously he might not win the 50 because Koch is faster, but in the 100 fly, 100 br, and 200IM, I don’t see him losing. Also, if Ted did loaf the 200IM to save for the relay at the dual, then why didn’t he go faster? If he can swim flat start in 48 mid, and he’s saving up for the swim shouldn’t he break 50? Seems like he just got beat by Nelson, and had nothing left for the relay.

    • #35079
      silentp
      Member

      @lane 6er wrote:

      Nelson doesn’t lose to anyone in our conference, period. I don’t care if he did 10,000 yards on wednesday, he wouldn’t let himself lose to anyone. Look at the Carleton dual. If you were there then you could have seen that he was behind going into the freestyle leg of the 200IM to a far superior endurace freestyler (as readers of this forum would think), but yet he still touched Ted out in the end. I don’t see Nelson losing to anyone in any event this year at conference. He just is too good of a competitor.

      I’ll take Marschall at MIACs, even if Westby tapers. Westby should still win NCAAs though. Saying he “doesn’t lose to someone in our conference” is stupid. He got the beat down last year in free relays, so he lost there. Isn’t it possible that the reason he caught up so much on freestyle is that fact that instead of the short races Westby swam at the dual, Marschall had just done the 1000 AND 500? I think it’s not only possible but probable.

      Westby is my pick to win NCAAs, but at conferences, i’ll take Marschall in a 1:50.

    • #35080
      sharkboy
      Member

      “I’ll take Marschall at MIACs, even if Westby tapers. Westby should still win NCAAs though.”

      So if Westby tapers, he can’t beat Marschall at MIAC’s but he can at NCAA’s? That makes absolutely no sense.

    • #35081
      silentp
      Member

      @sharkboy wrote:

      “I’ll take Marschall at MIACs, even if Westby tapers. Westby should still win NCAAs though.”

      So if Westby tapers, he can’t beat Marschall at MIAC’s but he can at NCAA’s? That makes absolutely no sense.

      Please check last year’s results where Westby tapered for conferences, then when both retapered, Westby swam a faster time than Marschall at NCAAs. I also never said can’t, don’t put words in my mouth, there is a big difference between my opinion and can/can’t.

    • #35082

      Lane 6er… you must be an Ole, you’re very good at catching sarcasm. Yeah, Marschall loafed his last 50 in the IM in order to swim a pedestrian 50.06 in the 400 free relay.

      The Todd… With the difference between Westby tapering for this meet and not tapering basically being 3 points… why would he even consider tapering? I think having a national champion is worth the risk of maybe losing by 2 points… Dave Hauck has 23 men’s conference titles and only 4 different guys who’ve won a national title. You think Dave had Bob Hauck or Kevin Casson taper for conference? No high five Todd.

      Westby did a 1:51 in December, and I’m assuming that was at least semi-tapered (maybe fully tapered to get his A cut and not worry about conference). I doubt Marschall has done a taper all year. They were .12 apart in the same pool, same conditions, two weeks ago. Now Marschall will most likely be fully rested. I give the edge to Marschall.

    • #35083
      CRUNCHYSOCK
      Member

      You guys are all cracked. Westby is the clear favorite in all 3 of his events. That doesn’t mean he is unbeatable, but the times he has posted already might be enough to win each event. Ted Marschall is awesome, and has a chance in the IM. However, he is also a potential all-american. Do you really think his focus is 100% on the conference meet? Especially when his team doesn’t have a realistic chance of winning. I don’t have any data on this, but how many national champions don’t win thier conference meet in thier best event? Its not impossible, but Westby has faster times because he is better. Unless of course that J-Term abroad has a negative effect.

    • #35084
      shootmeup
      Member

      I think all of the olaf guys will be fully tapered and shaven. they want this conference title bad and they wont mess around. i dont think they would risk losing any points cause westby wasnt fully tapered besides he has more then enough time to build back up before nationals. think is going to be a close meet. and it will come down to who wants it more. both gustavus and olaf have a good shot. i wouldnt put it past the gusties to come up from behind on anyday and win the whole thing with they way they have been swimming the past few meets. its going to be a great meet!!

    • #35085
      middie07
      Member

      So Ted was tired after winning the 500 and 1000, and that’s why Nelson beat him. That must also be why he went his best time of the season. You know, because he was so exhausted.

    • #35086
      swim5599
      Member

      The 1:51.4 Westby went was not just a little faster than Marschall. He beat him by a 1.5 seconds. Then he swam a great 100 fly and 100 breast too. Marschall is a great swimmer, but he is not quite as good as Westby

    • #35087

      well, it will be decided in a couple of hours, no point fighting about it now

    • #35088

      Well, I was wrong. Westby took down Marschall. I owe Kevin O $10.

      How does his 1:50.96 look for nats?

      And anyone know if he is tapered? Shaved?

    • #35089

      I would like to see a Sub 1:50.

    • #35090
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I think he probably goes under 1:50 and wins by over a second.

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