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    • #12106

      So let’s chat it up a little bit about this weekend. What is everybody expecting from the teams who are traveling to the Wheaton invite. I know a lot of the sprint speed from Wheaton and Wash U. is gone from last year, but this is usually a pretty fast meet. Predictions? Thoughts?

    • #32226
      swim5599
      Member

      I am really excited to see what Chase Gross from stevens point does at this meet. He has already been 21.2 46.9 and 1:44. I have a feeling he will swim fast. I am interested to see how Leckey does as well. I have a feeling we could see 1:53 out of him in the IM as well as maybe 1:42 in the 200 free if he swims it. Should be exciting.

    • #32227

      We could see a couple nice d3 IMs from Leckey and Heyboer.

      Wheaton’s free relays should be pretty solid again, Hope’s typically are but seldom at this meet, WashU will still be in good shape despite graduating two monsters but UWSP might be the team to beat at the d3 level at this meet in the free relays and maybe the medleys too. It should be a fun weekend with a lot of very nice matchups.

    • #32228

      Predicted top d3 finishers.

      50 – Gross
      100 – Gross
      200 – Gross
      500 – Heyboer (if he swims it), Kushner if he doesn’t
      1650 – Kushner
      100 Breast – Beyer
      200 Breast – Gensler
      100 Fly – Bullock
      200 Fly – Bullock
      100 Back – Heyboer if he swims it
      200 Back – Heyboer
      200 IM – Leckey
      400 IM – Heyboer

      200 Free – UWSP
      400 Free – Wheaton
      800 Free – WashU
      200 Medley – Wheaton
      400 Medley – Hope

    • #32229
      The Treat
      Member

      @Happy Madison wrote:

      Predicted top d3 finishers.

      50 – Gross
      100 – Gross
      200 – Gross
      500 – Heyboer (if he swims it), Kushner if he doesn’t
      1650 – Kushner
      100 Breast – Beyer
      200 Breast – Gensler
      100 Fly – Bullock
      200 Fly – Bullock
      100 Back – Heyboer if he swims it
      200 Back – Heyboer
      200 IM – Leckey
      400 IM – Heyboer

      200 Free – UWSP
      400 Free – Wheaton
      800 Free – WashU
      200 Medley – Wheaton
      400 Medley – Hope

      is hope going to shave and taper for this meet or just swim it like they have in the past few years?

    • #32230

      I wouldn’t expect Hope to treat the Wheaton Invite any different this year than they have in recent years.

      A couple of other things to think about.

      Paul Krone in the 500 and 1650 could be in contention as the top d3 finisher in both events. He swam pretty well at this meet last year.

      Rob Donisch could be in the hunt in both flys, and potentially the 200 IM.

      Look for Perry Bullock in the 400 IM along with Heyboer, could be a dogfight.

      Heyboer is not entered in the 100 back.

      Gross is swimming the 100 fly, not the 200 free. That opens things up for Higgins and Hartman from Wheaton, VanderBroek from Hope and a slew of WashU Bears. Leckey and Kushner being the frontrunners.

      The relays should be interesting.

      I suspect the winner of the meet will score significantly less than in years past. This meet looks to be a bit more balanced than previous years.

    • #32231
      swim5599
      Member

      Gross should have a great 100 fly. I saw that he split 51 plus the other day, but he was out in like 22.9. I think that Higgins should probably win the 200 free. bullock will probably be about 4:05 in the IM, I really think that is a possibility. No one besides Chase Gravengood will win the flys. That guys is really good, and UWM always rests for this meet. It should be interested to see what Marko and Caldwell do on the women’s side. I could see Caldwell hopping in and going 50.3 in the 100 free on the first day

    • #32232
      swim5599
      Member

      ANyone have the psyche sheet?

    • #32233

      The other invite this weekend, looks fast – under 48.7 to make top eight.

      http://www.carthageswims.com/results/index.htm

    • #32234
      Gyorf
      Member

      go wheaton. that being said. I think higgins wins the 200 followed right behind by hartman. and i can say i dont know about this kid from stevens point that well, but i would not be surprised to seem timmy linn, higgins, hartman, all have huge swims in the 100 free, even though higgins will probably swim lead off in the relay, not individual. and i am stoked to see what wheatons distance boys do. I know ethan cramer is looking for some big swims and i am hoping to see some b cuts from him, he definately has the ability. i am pissed i cant be there, expecially for the 400 free relay, my favorite race each year, 400 free relay at wheaton invite, its always nuts. oh and james verner, brian foster, robert morris, tim kempe, and many more guys could have huge meets, especially the seniors. all this to say i will be eagerly checking the results online since i am 4000 miles away.

    • #32235

      I don’t think Higgins or Hartman beat Leckey in the 200. And Perry Bullock is not swimming the 100 fly. I believe he is going 4IM, 2IM, and 2Fly.
      Also, Carthage invite has some fast ppl at the top, but not the depth of Wheaton Invite by any means.
      To use your example of the 100 free, 49.9 is the 16th seed at Carthage while 48.4 is 16th at Wheaton

    • #32236

      @iswimalottayards wrote:

      I don’t think Higgins or Hartman beat Leckey in the 200. And Perry Bullock is not swimming the 100 fly. I believe he is going 4IM, 2IM, and 2Fly.
      Also, Carthage invite has some fast ppl at the top, but not the depth of Wheaton Invite by any means.
      To use your example of the 100 free, 49.9 is the 16th seed at Carthage while 48.4 is 16th at Wheaton

      Wow – good reminder of how deep that meet is! What a fun meet too – it was always a better atmosphere than conference – I think mostly because we didn’t have much competition in conference back then.

      Higgins will give Leckey a run for his money in the 200 free – I think he’ll be 1:42, I assume Leckey will be in that range as well, but I haven’t been following him. Hartman will be good no doubt, but I doubt he’ll be 1:42. Probably more like 1:44 flat. Always a great meet, I’m itching for it to start!

    • #32237
      Gyorf
      Member

      you guys are pessemists, or however you spell it. I want to see a 1.41 out of higgins and a 1.42 out of hartman. you gotta believe……

    • #32238
      swim5599
      Member

      Well the way I have seen it is that both Higgins and Leckey have been 1:45 so far this year. Higgins pr is 1:41.4 flat start, where Leckey’s pr (1:41.1) is from that huge split he had on Wash U’s 800 fr at nats last year. Gross has been 1:40 I believe, but I think someone pointed out that he is going the 100 fly instead. Higgins wins but only by a hair.

    • #32239
      swim5599
      Member

      The Wheaton Invite was always one of my favorite meets as well. We have seen some sick swims at that meet over the years ie: Baseheart’s 200 free 1:38, Boss’ 55.00 and 2:00.0 in the 100 and 200 breast. Boelk’s 49.9 100 back and a whole slew of other great swims. This year will probably not dissappoint either

    • #32240

      Let the fun begin!

    • #32241
      Gyorf
      Member

      where can i find the results? has maschman put them up yet???

    • #32242

      Last conference we had to wait until like 9pm – coach is so behind the times…

    • #32243
      Gyorf
      Member

      i feel like maschman should just get the job done for him…. this is frustrating. but i do have some updates… katherine burt went a 51.9 and jenna sveen went a 53.6, both best times. paul hartman and timmy linn were both 47 mid in the 100, and ethan cramer was a 4.44 in the 500. so some good swims…. i wish could see the total results.

    • #32244
      swim5599
      Member

      The 51.9 out of Burt is blazing. What an awesom swim. I wish we had the results

    • #32245

      Tell me more! Non-Wheaton times if you have any! Wheaton times too, of course, but I like hearing about other teams too.

    • #32246
      Gyorf
      Member

      in finals ethan cramer went a 4.41.7 in the 500. ken mulsoff went a 4.46, sorry i only have wheaton results….

    • #32247

      @Gyorf wrote:

      in finals ethan cramer went a 4.41.7 in the 500. ken mulsoff went a 4.46, sorry i only have wheaton results….

      Good times for those two! Mulsoff was obviously just completely broken down this fall, and is now feeling *awesome*. Been there. Any more times to share? Tell your punk brother to call me back. : )

    • #32248
      swim5599
      Member

      4:41 is really good for Cramer. He is probably going to be about 4:38 by the time conf rolls around. Leckey is having a big meet. 1:53 in the Im 46.2 in the 100 free 21.1 lead off in the 50, and I think 1:41.5 in the 200 free.

      Good swim out of Higgins in the 200 IM 1:55, and his 100 was good 46.5.

      Burt’s split on their 200 FR 23.3, damn good. Maybe the fastest split in Wheaton history? Rhyme did K Stew split faster then that ever ?

      Gensler the local naperville guy 58.5, and then he split 57.6 on their medley. NOt bad for a guy who is a much better 200 guy. I could see 2:03 plus out of him in the 200 today.

    • #32249

      @swim5599 wrote:

      4:41 is really good for Cramer. He is probably going to be about 4:38 by the time conf rolls around. Leckey is having a big meet. 1:53 in the Im 46.2 in the 100 free 21.1 lead off in the 50, and I think 1:41.5 in the 200 free.

      Good swim out of Higgins in the 200 IM 1:55, and his 100 was good 46.5.

      Burt’s split on their 200 FR 23.3, damn good. Maybe the fastest split in Wheaton history? Rhyme did K Stew split faster then that ever ?

      Gensler the local naperville guy 58.5, and then he split 57.6 on their medley. NOt bad for a guy who is a much better 200 guy. I could see 2:03 plus out of him in the 200 today.

      I didn’t notice the 23.3 split, nice catch – I don’t know if Kelly split faster than that – I doubt it though, as her relay starts were usually about as fast… as her flat starts. Coack would know.

      I was surprised with Leckey’s 1:41 leadoff, and his 21.1 and 46.2. Must be swimming more freestyle this year. Higgins is swimming right at PR’s, so the 200 free could be a big battle in the 1:41 mid area.

      Overall, Wheaton isn’t firing on all cylinders. Good exciting meet though – the teams are close!

    • #32250
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah that meet loses a little luster when it loses three d 3 nat champs, Sam gyorfi and many others, but it is still a great meet. I was kind of saddened to see that the winning time in the 200 fr was 1:25.7. When was the last time the winning time in that race was that slow?

      Higgins and Leckey should have a great battle, I might think that they might be able to get each other under 1:41, and wouldn’t that be something.

    • #32251

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Yeah that meet loses a little luster when it loses three d 3 nat champs, Sam gyorfi and many others, but it is still a great meet. I was kind of saddened to see that the winning time in the 200 fr was 1:25.7. When was the last time the winning time in that race was that slow?

      Higgins and Leckey should have a great battle, I might think that they might be able to get each other under 1:41, and wouldn’t that be something.

      I think it was 1:25.2 – Wheaton was 1:25.7 – but yeah, really slow. I was on a B relay my junior year that was 1:26 something and I think we were 7th or so. Few things as disheartening as (me) anchoring a relay against Josh Basehart. I split a 21(.9), he still outsplit me by two seconds. : p

    • #32252

      This years Wheaton Invite, I have to admit, was very disappointing. Most swimmers, Wheaton and otherwise, seemed to have trouble racing and finishing in just about every event. There were a few highlights, but overall, none of the teams involved can come away with a feeling of satisfaction… Wheaton most of all. As it stands right now, it seems that Marko, Burt and maaaybe Higgins will be going to Nationals, there will have to be more stepping up than probable to drag some relays out to Texas, it’s always possible, but rarely does it happen, something about emotions and mentality… but then again, more impossible things have happened. I know it was hard for Wheaton men to lose the seniors they lost, but I just hope that doesn’t keep them from stepping up. Relays are the emotional backbone of meets and it seems to me that Wheaton’s relays at the invite were very lackluster with some very poor performances. (Linn’s 20.55 anchor on the medley as an exception.) Let’s hope they take this 5th (!!) place finish in stride and gear up for some heavy training and techinical work to reclaim their conference title and get some men to nationals. Good luck Wheaton…. Oh how I miss it…. =)

    • #32253

      Sounds like you are ready to write the season for for Wheaton. I wouldn’t be so pessimestic! Higgins will get in easily with a 1:41.3, imo. It’s only midseason, and the sprinters will have to step it up for conference – but spring is when you focus on honing the sprints anyway – Hartman will come around, Higgins will be there again, Linn will drop some, then it is up to guys like Rob Morris, Jeremy, R. Noll, and Doug Hoffer. You usually arn’t sharp at this point in the season as a team.

      Of course it is still going to be hard to get relays in still, but 1:23/3:05 flat at least should still happen at conference, depending on the 4th guy for the 4free. Wheaton rarely got relay cuts in December even with top 8 teams in the early 00’s, pretty much always had to wait until conference.

    • #32254

      Well, Wheaton has no fourth sprinter this year…. Morris is a 200 flyer, he may be able to split 21 high in the 50 free, but he can’t sprint. Lederhouse’s stroke is too erratic to be consistent, so count him out and we still don’t know what to expect out of Hoffer (but word is he’s not the greatest trainer…) Let’s be honest, when it comes to Noll, he’s always been known as a sprinter, but he’s never worked on the technical aspects of a race to consistently make efficient use of his strokes, which is why he always fades the last 25. If he is willing to completely change the way he races the 100/50 breast in the next two months, then maybe… otherwise look for a 59 low individual, 58 high on the relay… He won’t get under 26 on the 50. All of Wheaton sprinters will have to work overtime to perfect those races… I’m talking outside of practice time, taking ownership for success.

      Wheaton has always talked about what is possible if people step up, but truth be told only a few times in the last 5 years has it actually happened. and as far as predictions go for conference (if we’re willing to throw those out already) I would go with a 1:24 high and 3:06 mid. Hartman, Higgins and Linn will all have to go best times in the same race for Wheaton to make it, otherwise, the fourth man just won’t be fast enough to make it up. I could be totally wrong… and I hope I am. (sorry for the negative posts rhyme, I’ve just read so many of your posts and your constant optimism is hard to read without a realistic counter…may the truth lie somewhere in the middle… I’m just basing my thoughts on what I’ve seen the last five years, what the guys who are there have done in the past and unlikelyhood of anything changing this year, talk will abound, it always does) πŸ˜‰

    • #32255

      Well, I’m not the most optimistic guy on here, and I was pretty dead on last year with my predictions, relay wise, a little fast in the 200fr and slow in the 400fr, way slow in the 800, about on in the medleys. The 400FR was half a second faster than I thought was possible.

      3:06 mid is reasonable – I think the fastest they can go is 3:05 flat and that is with the whole relay firing – but 1:24 high is way slow. They could have put Higgins on the A 2fr and gone that this past weekend, and that was with Hartman splitting a not so stellar 21.15, and Linn at a decent 20.88. Anyway, I’m just saying that Wheaton invite is a poor predictor of a season. JT usually was a 59/2:09 in his breastrokes at invite, for instance.

      Considering Doug Hoffer has a PR of 21.4, and was 22.6 in season, his meet was…. well, not good.

      I guess its like this – I don’t want to predict what I think they will go, (especially this season), I’d rather predict what they have the potential of going. They do have the potential to qualify relays, specifically the 200fr – but unlike the last 7 years, they will have to all be firing perfectly to make it – not easy. The 400FR will take significant PRs to make it (although the cut will likely be slower), as would both medleys. The 800FR has no shot (sorry Sam).

      Anyway, talking to much and hoping for the best as usual. πŸ˜€

      So who is this? TD?

    • #32256

      haha, yeah right TD hated racing, it was all about the training and executing his own race… πŸ˜‰ I do miss him though

    • #32257

      P.S. You gotta admit Mr. M, you spend a little too much time on this here forum.

    • #32258

      @ohhowimissracing wrote:

      P.S. You gotta admit Mr. M, you spend a little too much time on this here forum.

      Don’t worry, everyone on here knows who I am πŸ™‚

      The forum comes and goes. I check it about every week, unless its big meet time… which it is… Most of the gazillion posts of mine are from fantasy nats .. seriously really…. : ) Now collegeswimming – I’ve spent way to much there…

    • #32259

      history has shown how improbable, though not impossible it is for every member on a relay to have a PR performance, all at once. So while it is something that is not out of the realm of possibility, it’s not going to happen.

    • #32260
      swim5599
      Member

      I am pretty sure that Morris split 21.1 on that relay this past weekend. SO he is capable of more than 21 high. I expected a drop off on the Wheaton relays as well. There is no way you replace Gyrofi, Denby, and Dobelbower. I don’t care what you have coming in. I think there were some good swims. Morris’ 100 fly was good and Higgins was pretty stellar, but last year they did not swim great at the Invite and look what they did at nationals. They will not do what the did last year, because they just do not have the horses, but they can def make a run in those sprint relays.

      ON paper relays always look a certain way. If you add up there best splits from last year they had enough to win the 200 FR, but you have to go out and do it, and getting all four guys firing at the same time during a 200 FR is tough to do.

    • #32261
      Gyorf
      Member

      first and foremost, i would like to point out who won the 200 free with a 1.41 and who called that one? ya, you heard, i told you higgins had it in him, and a killer anchor leg in the 4 free relay as well, makes me proud.

      as far as the rest of the guys team, i know them pretty well and although i cant speak for the newcomers, they will not let this happen again at conference. MY freshman year i had a terrible invite and then had a great conference meet because it seemed to be so much bigger. Wheaton invite is faster, but pride is on the line at conference, especially at home. wheaton always finds a way to get relays to the meet, end of story.

      as far as the girls, they are hurting, but with burt and marko swimming well, and jenna sveen swimming best times in the 50, 100, 200, and 100 back they are getting close to squeaking in a relay. too bad fawn quit, otherwise the relays would be in.

    • #32262

      haha well, Burt will make the meet but jenna sveen swimming best times won’t get Wheaton past top three at conference, we’re talking the national meet here… Sveen hasn’t ever “shown up” at conference. Neither did Yankowski for that matter… I would like Wheaton women to make it there but for my prediction, I say that no Wheaton women relays make it to the national meet. I won’t go that far just yet for the men though… we shall see

    • #32263
      Gyorf
      Member

      you gotta believe brosef. history doesnt mean anything. look at guys nationals last year. no more pessimism.

      and a 53 in the hundred free does help the girls, so does a 24.4 or whatever sveen went. oh and she did show up at conference last year, she was the only girl who did her job in the 200 free relay, the other girls blew it. you gotta believe……

    • #32264

      touche, my belief is there, just tentative… more realistic than optimistic

    • #32265
      swim5599
      Member

      IT has been a long time since the Wheaton women did not qualify a relay, and I will go out and say they will get their 200 FR in. 1:38.1 in december is pretty good, I have a feeling we could see 1:37 low out of them come conference.

      In 2002 we had four girls at North Central go 1:39.1 at Wheaton and then went out and went 1:36.7 at conf. Wheaton wil have a good chance

    • #32266
      239swimmer
      Member

      Hey it has been my experience that Wheaton always comes through with their relays on the womens end. I have lots of faith that they will get in and be just fine.

      As for the 2002 NCC relays, I have to give props to my girls for the fact that it was one hell of a good time. A time that should never be forgotten. Now if NCC could just hold out on those records that would be great. I know that records are meant to be broken but that was when NCC was shining and Coah Ryan was at the top of his game with the help of a special assistant who would encourage him to push us harder every day.

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