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    • #12989
      The Treat
      Member

      with UAA’s about a month away, any predictions? wash u has been swimming very well after returning from training trip (7:00 in the 800 FR w/ 2 1:44’s and a 1:43.99 relay split, 3:09 in the 400 FR w/ a 46.1 relay split). based on a very shallow analysis of the top times list, i think they have enough to take 2nd this year. ill try and post some more concrete predictions a little later.

    • #43454
      swimjunkie
      Member

      Second is a puzzle right now, could be close between 2-3 teams to finish behind Emory. Wash U seems to lack a little bit of depth, could get out-pointed unless their top few do very well, which depends in part on who swims what events overall. Should be some good individual races, too.

    • #43455

      Just a quick glance at results but there aren’t that many people from the Emory men’s team that need to taper to get cuts. Inacker, Spooner and maybe Perry will probably fully rest, but there will be a lot of guys from the Miami meet that either won’t go or won’t rest. Could make for a pretty interesting meet.

    • #43456
      The Treat
      Member

      @screeeeeeeeech wrote:

      Just a quick glance at results but there aren’t that many people from the Emory men’s team that need to taper to get cuts. Inacker, Spooner and maybe Perry will probably fully rest, but there will be a lot of guys from the Miami meet that either won’t go or won’t rest. Could make for a pretty interesting meet.

      even if they dont taper, they always swim well enough and are deep enough (especially in events like the 200 back, 400 im, anything distance really, and 100 br this year if i remember correctly) to win pretty handily.

    • #43457
      swimjunkie
      Member

      what about the women – who lines up behind Emory there?

    • #43458
      CaseBrst10
      Member

      For the women 2nd is probably going to be close again between WashU and NYU, if I remember correctly, WashU didn’t graduate too many girls and neither did NYU, though having lost Hawk hurts washu for their relays and depth. CMU might surprise people…new head coach, who knows, they might be in the running too

    • #43459
      swimjunkie
      Member

      Wash U will have good relays even w/o Hawk, but I question their depth after the top 4 girls; they will need some people to step up. CMU’s depth is not great either, not sure about NYU. Should be interesting to see.

    • #43460

      Looking at the Division III roundup and the stats provided, I don’t see how NYU women would be in the running for 2nd place, unless they take 1-2 in Diving. I would place my money on WashU, possibly CMU as the dark horse.

      Link to Division III roundup………….http://www.collegeswimming.com/media/documents/DivisionIII-Roundup.pdf

    • #43461
      CaseBrst10
      Member

      Did the washu female diver who won both boards last year graduate? Thats a huge amount of points right there

    • #43462

      She is a senior so WashU can count on those points.

    • #43465

      When you think about scoring, remember the stupid boner heat that counts starting last year. If you look at Wash U.’s girls team and how much their lack of depth hurt them at Wheaton (I think they went from 2nd last year to 6th this year-to lazy to actually look it up) I can see them falling quite a bit point wise at UAA’s. On the guys side, I think competing for 2nd is a safe bet, although lack of divers killed them last year in that regard, and I don’t think the big boys will be resting.

      Predictions:

      Dudes
      1) Emory (Obvi)
      2) NYU
      3) Wash U (Not resting Leckey, Bullock, Beyer, Kushner puts NYU over the top)
      4) CMU
      5) Chicago (Perhaps jumps to 4th next year)
      6) Case
      7) Rochester
      8) Brandeis

      Chicas

      1) Who else?
      2) NYU
      3) CMU
      4) Wash U. (I really think lack of depth hurts in this meet format more than people imagine)
      5-8) I’m a guy I have no idea and don’t really care.

    • #43466

      Call me stupid, but looking at NYU women’s latest results and over the season, CMU starts out with faster untapered times except maybe a couple distance events, CMU may give NYU a run for their money, only def advantage to NYU is the diving.

    • #43463
      Djinntsai
      Member

      No guarantee on Flanagan resting for Wash U either

    • #43464

      Its standard procedure to not rest your horses for conference. Kenyon doesn’t do it, Denison doesn’t do it, Hopkins doesn’t do it, Emory doesn’t do it. In Division I, Arizona doesn’t do it, Auburn doesn’t do it, Texas doesn’t do it and look at how much it helps them at NCAAs. Quite frankly, I don’t understand why NYU and Carnegie don’t rest their guys for a December meet. Seems like it would help their placing at NCAAs to not have to taper, go up for a week or two and then retaper.

    • #43467
      trout3
      Member

      @screeeeeeeeech wrote:

      Its standard procedure to not rest your horses for conference. Kenyon doesn’t do it, Denison doesn’t do it, Hopkins doesn’t do it, Emory doesn’t do it. In Division I, Arizona doesn’t do it, Auburn doesn’t do it, Texas doesn’t do it and look at how much it helps them at NCAAs. Quite frankly, I don’t understand why NYU and Carnegie don’t rest their guys for a December meet. Seems like it would help their placing at NCAAs to not have to taper, go up for a week or two and then retaper.

      Because that’s the way it’s been done for the last 25 years…..

    • #43468
      t3hhammer
      Member

      Because that’s the way it’s been done for the last 25 years…..[/quote]

      Obviously that’s a terrible reason and not at all helpful. I’m pretty sure NYU’s coach isn’t that old and I know that CMU just got a new coach. I have to imagine it would make sense to shake things up and taper in December like screech said. It might not hurt NYUs sprinters to double taper, but I can’t imagine its good for their distance guy (can’t remember his name but made the mile last year).

    • #43469
      swim5599
      Member

      Here we go again with the whole NO one can retaper for a meet five weeks later and swim faster.

    • #43470
      Djinntsai
      Member

      You act like distance people actually taper anyway. What do they get, 5 days? 7? 5000 yards instead of 8?

    • #43471
      The Treat
      Member

      @t3hhammer wrote:

      Because that’s the way it’s been done for the last 25 years…..

      Obviously that’s a terrible reason and not at all helpful. I’m pretty sure NYU’s coach isn’t that old and I know that CMU just got a new coach. I have to imagine it would make sense to shake things up and taper in December like screech said. It might not hurt NYUs sprinters to double taper, but I can’t imagine its good for their distance guy (can’t remember his name but made the mile last year).[/quote]

      when CMU had pearson and mccarthy they weren’t tapering for conference (at least not fully). then again pearson and mccarthy could turn sick times tapered or not. didnt really matter for them.

      with respect to not being able to taper twice. ive had to do it multiple times in my life and every time i was slower. i just felt worse than i did for my first taper. obviously some people can do it (williams), but if i had a choice, i’d do just a midseason and an end of season taper. i know a lot of people were the same way. williams has a ton of experience w/ the double taper b/c they HAVE to double taper. they usually have their conference later than most. dont know if this helps at all. look at all the other teams that are forced to double taper. they usually end up doing worse.

    • #43472

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Here we go again with the whole NO one can retaper for a meet five weeks later and swim faster.

      I hate when people talk about being able to double taper and have it physically work just as well. Maybe some people can do it and go faster, and I attribute that mostly to them having that mental edge and really getting up for NCAA’s. If you look at it from a physical and training standpoint, resting your body twice decreases the amount of base you have to rest from the second time. You can not dispute that. The whole point of resting from the physical standpoint (and there clearly is a mental aspect to “feeling good” in the water) is that your body is broken down from hard training and then the muscles can recover. Its hard to recover when you are already recoverd. I think it is very hard to argue against tapering only once at the end of the season from a physical standpoint.

    • #43473
      trout3
      Member

      @t3hhammer wrote:

      Because that’s the way it’s been done for the last 25 years….

      Obviously that’s a terrible reason and not at all helpful. I’m pretty sure NYU’s coach isn’t that old and I know that CMU just got a new coach. I have to imagine it would make sense to shake things up and taper in December like screech said. It might not hurt NYUs sprinters to double taper, but I can’t imagine its good for their distance guy (can’t remember his name but made the mile last year).

      I’m not disagreeing with you one bit… Nor was I trying to be helpful… That was said tongue in cheek because I stumbled on NYU’s coach’s longevity (28yrs) from their media guide and I don’t believe they’ve ever tapered for a Dec meet. What else can you conclude from that? I can’t really speak for CMU, but I’d be curious to know how long their previous coach was there… Might be a pattern? Might be a common school of thought?

    • #43474
      Legend
      Member

      @Djinntsai wrote:

      You act like distance people actually taper anyway. What do they get, 5 days? 7? 5000 yards instead of 8?

      Decreasing your yardage by half is a pretty good taper. Its the same thing as the sprinters going down from 5 to 2.5. And besides, the taper is more about focusing on what you need to do for your race than the number of laps you swim.

      Dealing with the double taper I don’t think its that big of a disadvantage. Most of my high school/college swimming I’ve had to double taper and did just as well at the second meet. But then again, I may have done as well at the second meet for different reasons, like being able to relax because the tons and tons of pressure atthe first meet isn’t there or being a great mood because I knew I would be getting moer than 6 hours of sleep a night soon or becuase I just hooked up with a really hot chick and my ego/confidence was through the roof.

    • #43475
      swim5599
      Member

      You are all entitled to your opinions on this whole re-resting topic. I am just saying I swam at a program, where everytime we had athletes re-rest for the nat meet, they swam faster. You have 5 weeks, you can cycle back up and do some really great stuff, come back down and swim out of this world at the nat meet. It just seems like everyone thinks this whole thing is IMPOSSIBLE.

    • #43476
      The Treat
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      You are all entitled to your opinions on this whole re-resting topic. I am just saying I swam at a program, where everytime we had athletes re-rest for the nat meet, they swam faster. You have 5 weeks, you can cycle back up and do some really great stuff, come back down and swim out of this world at the nat meet. It just seems like everyone thinks this whole thing is IMPOSSIBLE.

      no, i definitely agree. i know it’s possible, my personal preference was a single taper. maybe i didnt do enough double tapers in my life to get a good feel for them and for HS, sectionals and state were only a week away. i only had the 5 weeks in between tapers one time in college and that was freshman year. i kicked ass at conference and sucked in two of my events at nationals, but that could have been mental b/c they were my first two races. my race on the third day was solid.

    • #43477
      swimming2008
      Member

      Quick question. If these teams (Emory, WU) are trying to make thier cuts in December, are they doing a full taper in Nov/ December? The reason I ask is that the Thanksgiving break is usually the week before the big December meets… Are the Emory & Wash U guys not going home – are they staying at school to taper?

    • #43478
      The Treat
      Member

      @swimming2008 wrote:

      Quick question. If these teams (Emory, WU) are trying to make thier cuts in December, are they doing a full taper in Nov/ December? The reason I ask is that the Thanksgiving break is usually the week before the big December meets… Are the Emory & Wash U guys not going home – are they staying at school to taper?

      nope. they’re at home. coach gave us workouts to do and i usually swam w/ one teammate from my hometown. it’s tough to do everything right, especially not gorging on turkey, but it’s all part of the sacrifice you make.

    • #43479

      This is my first post in 11 months! It’s good to be back.

    • #43480
      The Treat
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      This is my first post in 11 months! It’s good to be back.

      spoon, good to have you back. where is your avatar?

    • #43481

      I knew the Spoon would turn up as the Conference and NCAA season approached. Have any amazing analysis for us?

    • #43482

      Haha, no, the analysis won’t be amazing. I’ve actually (shock) not spent too much time following DIII swimming this year, but I felt like it was time to get back into it with the lead-up to nationals.

      From what it looks like, Wash U won’t be able to get 2nd at conference on either side with bonus finals, but that’s not too much of a surprise.

      Will there be streaming video like last year?

    • #43483

      Anybody out there know of any somewhat unknown freshmen that may surprise some people this weekend?

    • #43484
      Swmr46
      Member

      Here is the psych sheet.

      http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Swimming/UAA_Psych_Sheet_2_18_08.htm

      Things that stick out from the psych sheet.

      1. Men and Women 500 free field is deep!
      2. Men 200 IM, Emory has 6 of the top 7 times
      3. Men 400 IM, 9 NCAA Cuts (2-A, 7-B)
      4. Men 100 Breast, 4 people at 57
      5. Men 100 Back, Emory has the top 4 places.
      6. Women 800 free relay, Emory and Wash U are 11-14 seconds ahead of the field! (CMU 7:52 is not a slow relay)
      7. Men 1650, 3 A cuts for Emory Men
      8. Women 200 Breast, Emory has the top 4 places
      9. Men 200 Fly, 8 NCAA Cuts (3-A, 5-B)
      10. Finally, will Chicago and CMU qualify a relay to nationals? NYU should qualify a free relay. Emory and Wash U already have a couple of individuals and relays that qualify for NCAAs. The question is how many more ppl can they get to the meet.

    • #43485

      @Swmr46 wrote:

      Here is the psych sheet.

      http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Swimming/UAA_Psych_Sheet_2_18_08.htm

      Things that stick out from the psych sheet.

      1. Men and Women 500 free field is deep!
      2. Men 200 IM, Emory has 6 of the top 7 times
      3. Men 400 IM, 9 NCAA Cuts (2-A, 7-B)
      4. Men 100 Breast, 4 people at 57
      5. Men 100 Back, Emory has the top 4 places.
      6. Women 800 free relay, Emory and Wash U are 11-14 seconds ahead of the field! (CMU 7:52 is not a slow relay)
      7. Men 1650, 3 A cuts for Emory Men
      8. Women 200 Breast, Emory has the top 4 places
      9. Men 200 Fly, 8 NCAA Cuts (3-A, 5-B)
      10. Finally, will Chicago and CMU qualify a relay to nationals? NYU should qualify a free relay. Emory and Wash U already have a couple of individuals and relays that qualify for NCAAs. The question is how many more ppl can they get to the meet.

      Looks pretty typical to me. The 500 looks pretty average (I got either 15th or 16th last year with a 4:45ish in prelims) and Emory always dominates the distance and IM events. Where I do agree with you in that it seems fast is in the guys 100 breast and guys 200 fly (to have 8 cuts seeded going in is moving). As far as getting people to the meet, Emory will end up with almost a full squad again, that’s what always happens. I don’t see Wash U. qualifying that many more people than what they did in December. Perhaps if senior Ross Vimr gets his act together, he qualified in the 500 his freshman and sophomore years, and I’m not sure if Brad rested David Chao, who just qualified on relays in December. As for NYU, they always swim fast at this meet, look for them to move up over some of the Emory and Wash U. guys who aren’t rested and not swimming 100% this weekend. I don’t see CMU qualifying a relay again this year, as sad as that is. Chicago may have a chance in the 800 if they really swim out of their minds. Should be an interesting weekend.

    • #43486

      The streaming video BLOWS!

    • #43487
      swim5599
      Member

      20.6 out of Lardiere (spelling)

    • #43488

      What’s the link for the streaming video?

    • #43489

      It’s on the front page of the Rochester Athletics website.

    • #43490
      silentp
      Member

      Wow, 1:22.8 for NYU, very impressive… if that’s their 200, what will their 400 be???

    • #43491
      The Treat
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      Wow, 1:22.8 for NYU, very impressive… if that’s their 200, what will their 400 be???

      3:05.3 is my guess

    • #43492
      swim10
      Member

      They went 3:03 last year–im gonna go with 3:02.8 and the A Cut to match

    • #43493
      The Treat
      Member

      @swim10 wrote:

      They went 3:03 last year–im gonna go with 3:02.8 and the A Cut to match

      yeah, i totally forgot they went 3:03.1 at nats last year. i just saw the 3:05 at conference.

    • #43494
      Bizzle
      Member

      Thoughts from a totally unbiased observer (ran up to Webster after boys practice tonight because I couldn’t get back to Syracuse in time for our girls meet)-
      That 1:22.8 was awesome, especially considering they were 21.6 at the 50 wall. Very sick last 50 from Lardiere, his wall was gross.
      500 for women was sick-girl negative split by a LOT to go 4:59.1.
      500 free-Beyer is tall and swam away from the field comin off the 500 wall.
      200 IM for women was very solid, cool to see a girl who was a 4time champ get the meet record her senior year.
      200 IM for men-I was shocked at how slow the final heat was out. I think the fastest was 53.5, and Yamada was out 54.1 before he threw together a sick 31.3 breast.
      50 free for women was stronger than I expected based on the psych sheet-I thought Westby would be quick but didn’t expect any other B cuts, so 2 of them is pretty good.
      50 free for men-eh, depth in consies and bonus, but the studs were kinda lacking-Lardiere won by a lot with his 20.8.
      We bailed before the 400 relay and went to get dinner.

    • #43495
      The Treat
      Member

      @Bizzle wrote:

      Thoughts from a totally unbiased observer (ran up to Webster after boys practice tonight because I couldn’t get back to Syracuse in time for our girls meet)-
      That 1:22.8 was awesome, especially considering they were 21.6 at the 50 wall. Very sick last 50 from Lardiere, his wall was gross.
      500 for women was sick-girl negative split by a LOT to go 4:59.1.
      500 free-Beyer is tall and swam away from the field comin off the 500 wall.
      200 IM for women was very solid, cool to see a girl who was a 4time champ get the meet record her senior year.
      200 IM for men-I was shocked at how slow the final heat was out. I think the fastest was 53.5, and Yamada was out 54.1 before he threw together a sick 31.3 breast.
      50 free for women was stronger than I expected based on the psych sheet-I thought Westby would be quick but didn’t expect any other B cuts, so 2 of them is pretty good.
      50 free for men-eh, depth in consies and bonus, but the studs were kinda lacking-Lardiere won by a lot with his 20.8.
      We bailed before the 400 relay and went to get dinner.

      do we have splits for anything? what was lardiere’s split?

    • #43496
      Bizzle
      Member

      @The Treat wrote:

      do we have splits for anything? what was lardiere’s split?

      This is from memory so the hundredths might not be accurate, but they were 1:02.77 at the 150 wall, so 20.09.

      The funniest thing that happened yesterday was watching Emory go 1:25.7 on their B (with a 21.6 leadoff)…and then seeing their A go all of a 1:24.7, with a 22.1 leadoff.

    • #43497

      My home connection sucks, so the streaming video was like a bad stop-motion effects sequence from a 1950’s B movie. When was the diving? Is it at the complex? They seemed to swim the 200 Free Relays pretty late… did diving happen before them? And is it at the same complex? I only wonder because it would be great to see Priya Srikanth from Wash U get her due at this meet, ie. a big and attentive audience.

      Emory’s men look somewhat vulnerable, but I think they’ll pull it out in the next couple of days where there are more individual events, and especially Friday, when there is no diving.

      From what I could tell on the video, Horvat came out of nowhere to take the lead around the 300… her 1650 should be fast.

      If NYU is swimming 1:22. in there relay, could they not have tapered to a similar time at midseason so they don’t have to worry about tapering twice in 5 weeks? I hope they can repeat the fast swims at nationals.

      I’m really looking forward to the 400 IM… lots of swimmers are in the mix there. Another win for Beyer? I think he’ll do it.

      And it looks like Nordbrock wants 3 wins; she’s entered in the 100 back instead of the 400 IM, where Horvat should blaze to the win. Wash U could get 4 women in that final.

    • #43498

      Alex Beyer has really matured and become a beast. If he is going 4:34 to win the 500 unrested, I am really excited to see him drop a bomb on some people at NCAA’s.

    • #43499
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I totally agree I would think he is going under 4:30 at nats.

    • #43500

      Holy Sh**!!! 9 b-cuts in the 400 IM

    • #43501
      The Treat
      Member

      @iswimalottayards wrote:

      Holy Sh**!!! 9 b-cuts in the 400 IM

      seriously. that’s a crazy fast 400 im this year.

      beyer is insane. i would assume brad didnt taper him, which makes his swims all the more impressive. then again, if you think about the fact that the kid is 6’5″ and is probably finally filling out his body, it’s not much of a surprise.

      i dont think emory will lose the meet, but hopefully it is still close going into the final session so it can be exciting.

    • #43502

      Wash U. NCAA squad and what they will be swimming (Not necessarily what they qualified in, I listed the b-cuts):

      Men (6):

      Kevin Leckey- 50, 100, 200
      Alex Beyer- 200?, 500, 400 IM, 1650?
      Brian Kushner- 200, 500
      Perry Bullock- 200IM, 400IM, 200 Fly
      Michael Flanagan- 100 Fly, 200 Fly
      David Chao- 200 (qualified on 800)

      Relay that Q’d- 800

      Women (8):

      Meredith Nordbrock- 200 IM, 100 back, 200 back
      Kelly Kono- 200, 500, 1650
      Jessie Lodewyk- 200, 500, 1650
      Katie Hodges- 500, 200 back (Qualified on 800)
      Claire Henderson- 100 back
      Kristen Mann- 100 fly
      Liz Caravati- Relay Only
      Priya Srikanth- 1M & 3M

      Relays that Q’d- 800, 400 Medley, Possibly 400

      *** This post subject to change without notice

    • #43503
      swim10
      Member

      NYU NCAA Squad (b-cut qualifiers included)

      Men (8)
      Andrew Lardiere- 50, 100, 200
      Paul Hogan- 1650, 500
      Eric Wang- 200 IM, 400 IM, 200 Fly
      Brad Thornton- 100 Breast, 200 IM
      Shaughn Keating- 200 FR, 200 MR
      Matthew Ferreira-200 MR, 400 MR
      Chris Wolf- 400 FR
      Eric Pcholinski- 200 FR, 400 FR

      Relays- 200 FR, 400 FR, 200 MR, 400 MR

      Women (5)
      Patty Beck- 100 Back, 200 Back
      Chelsea Pfohl- 100 Back, 100 Fly
      Kacey McCaffrey- 500 Free, 1650 Free
      Sam Ashby- 100 Breast
      Janelle Szary- 200 MR, 400 MR

      Relays- 200 MR, 400 MR

    • #43504
      trout3
      Member

      NYU NCAA Squad (b-cut qualifiers included)

      Men (8)
      Andrew Lardiere- 50, 100, 200
      Paul Hogan- 1650, 500
      Eric Wang- 200 IM, 400 IM, 200 Fly
      Brad Thornton- 100 Breast, 200 IM
      Shaughn Keating- 200 FR, 200 MR
      Matthew Ferreira-200 MR, 400 MR
      Chris Wolf- 400 FR
      Eric Pcholinski- 200 FR, 400 FR

      Relays- 200 FR, 400 FR, 200 MR, 400 MR

      You missed Andrew Guyton… 400 MR

    • #43505

      @swim10 wrote:

      NYU NCAA Squad (b-cut qualifiers included)

      Men (8)
      Andrew Lardiere- 50, 100, 200
      Paul Hogan- 1650, 500

      These two really impressed me this weekend. Hopefully they can hang on to a second rest and be this fast in 5 weeks.

    • #43506

      Unfortunately, Underwood won’t be in for Wash U. Her 2:07.42 in the 2 Back sits around 23rd or 24th, depending on who enters it at nationals. There could have been four girls in that event from Wash U; only 3 now…

    • #43507
      swim826
      Member

      @swim10 wrote:

      NYU NCAA Squad (b-cut qualifiers included)

      Men (8)
      Andrew Lardiere- 50, 100, 200
      Paul Hogan- 1650, 500
      Eric Wang- 200 IM, 400 IM, 200 Fly
      Brad Thornton- 100 Breast, 200 IM
      Shaughn Keating- 200 FR, 200 MR
      Matthew Ferreira-200 MR, 400 MR
      Chris Wolf- 400 FR
      Eric Pcholinski- 200 FR, 400 FR

      Relays- 200 FR, 400 FR, 200 MR, 400 MR

      Women (5)
      Patty Beck- 100 Back, 200 Back
      Chelsea Pfohl- 100 Back, 100 Fly
      Kacey McCaffrey- 500 Free, 1650 Free
      Sam Ashby- 100 Breast
      Janelle Szary- 200 MR, 400 MR

      Relays- 200 MR, 400 MR

      Maybe I’m wrong but a quick glance leads me to believe that NYU won’t have any women at NCAAs. None of these 5 girls have a time within the top 20.. the closest is Pfohl (21st in 1 fly and 23rd in 1 back) but the others are way off… Ashby is 26th in 1 br, and Beck and McAffrey are way above 30th in each of their listed events. Also the 200 and 400 medley relays are 19th and 25th, respectively. With the possible exception of Pfohl and Ashby if she’s REALLY lucky, its not looking like any of these girls are going to get pulled in.

    • #43508
      silentp
      Member

      @swim826 wrote:

      @swim10 wrote:

      NYU NCAA Squad (b-cut qualifiers included)

      Men (8)
      Andrew Lardiere- 50, 100, 200
      Paul Hogan- 1650, 500
      Eric Wang- 200 IM, 400 IM, 200 Fly
      Brad Thornton- 100 Breast, 200 IM
      Shaughn Keating- 200 FR, 200 MR
      Matthew Ferreira-200 MR, 400 MR
      Chris Wolf- 400 FR
      Eric Pcholinski- 200 FR, 400 FR

      Relays- 200 FR, 400 FR, 200 MR, 400 MR

      Women (5)
      Patty Beck- 100 Back, 200 Back
      Chelsea Pfohl- 100 Back, 100 Fly
      Kacey McCaffrey- 500 Free, 1650 Free
      Sam Ashby- 100 Breast
      Janelle Szary- 200 MR, 400 MR

      Relays- 200 MR, 400 MR

      Maybe I’m wrong but a quick glance leads me to believe that NYU won’t have any women at NCAAs. None of these 5 girls have a time within the top 20.. the closest is Pfohl (21st in 1 fly and 23rd in 1 back) but the others are way off… Ashby is 26th in 1 br, and Beck and McAffrey are way above 30th in each of their listed events. Also the 200 and 400 medley relays are 19th and 25th, respectively. With the possible exception of Pfohl and Ashby if she’s REALLY lucky, its not looking like any of these girls are going to get pulled in.

      Pfohl (great spelling of her name by the way) should get in. At least 3-4 of the girls in front of her won’t be swimming the event at nats. She should be around 18th when all is said and done. The others won’t be as lucky however, as swim826 said.

    • #43509

      Congratulations to Bob Sorenson and his staff. I have always liked Bob, from my days as a swimmer in the early 1990’s and recently as a colleague. He’s a great guy, knows his stuff, and I wish him luck.

      Ask to hear some stories about Ukrainian swimmers (“Is pure beef?”), Israeli Defense Forces soldiers, and dual meets officiated by blind officials in their late 80’s.

    • #43510
      CWY
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Unfortunately, Underwood won’t be in for Wash U. Her 2:07.42 in the 2 Back sits around 23rd or 24th, depending on who enters it at nationals. There could have been four girls in that event from Wash U; only 3 now…

      Was she tapered for conference? Her times seem slower than her mid-season taper meet times. It would suck if she held back and then not qualify.

    • #43511

      I was wondering the same thing. Her 207.4 would have gone by over a second last year, you would think enough cushion to have Brad not rest her. Just sucks that she isn’t gonna make it now, and by a tenth.

    • #43512
      WIswimhottie
      Member

      Where did Kristen Mann of Wash U come from? That girl was like 1:05 100 fly freshman year. Now she goes 58 and 52 anchoring their 400FR that gets invited…dang

    • #43513

      Losing Jenkins and Hawk, she probably had to step it up a notch……….kudos to her!

    • #43514
      The Treat
      Member

      @BreakingTheSurface wrote:

      Losing Jenkins and Hawk, she probably had to step it up a notch……….kudos to her!

      she’s incredibly tall, so maybe she’s finally learning how to use her height.

    • #43515

      how “tall” is tall to you?

      5″10 or more?

    • #43516
      The Treat
      Member

      @BreakingTheSurface wrote:

      how “tall” is tall to you?

      5″10 or more?

      i think she was 6’1″, maybe even 6’2″

    • #43517

      Kristen has an aunt (one who married her father’s brother) named Candy.

      I love it!

    • #43518
      The Treat
      Member

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Kristen has an aunt (one who married her father’s brother) named Candy.

      I love it!

      candy mann??

    • #43519

      ABSOLUTELY. It’s my favorite Kristen Mann “story”.

    • #43520
      WIswimhottie
      Member

      i’m her biggest fan!!

    • #43521

      Do you know her? She is from Wisconsin originally.

    • #43522
      WIswimhottie
      Member

      Yeah I used to show her what’s up in the pool when she was 12

    • #43523

      We call her “The Manager” now….or should I say “The Mann-ager”

    • #43524
      WIswimhottie
      Member

      yeah I bet she can “Mann-age”

    • #43525
      trout3
      Member

      Last year Westby for the women and Lardiere for the men swept the free sprint events. Is there anyone to challenge them in those events this year?

    • #43526

      i don’t see anyone challenging westby

    • #43527

      @nemesis enforcer wrote:

      i don’t see anyone challenging westby

      i can see chao or lacky taking lardiere, Emory’s sprint falls off after they graduated Callam ’06 and awkwardly tall Sloan.

      No one will touch Westby, unless her teammates do.

      I think the gap this winning will shorten, CMU is looking strong.

    • #43528
      trout3
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      @nemesis enforcer wrote:

      i don’t see anyone challenging westby

      i can see chao or lacky taking lardiere, Emory’s sprint falls off after they graduated Callam ’06 and awkwardly tall Sloan.

      We’ll see what the Dec invites bring… I don’t see that in the 50 or 100, thus far… Lardiere so far has both of them beat by at least 1/2 second to this point in both of those. Also depends whether he does a conf or NCAA taper….

    • #43529

      Looks like Leckey/Chao both might have a shot in the 50/100 at Lardiere. ALso Beyer’s 1:38 makes a WashU sweep of the sprint frees very feasible. That is, if they all re-taper for UAAs and not swim through to NCAAs.

    • #43530
      The Treat
      Member

      @SkipBrainless wrote:

      Looks like Leckey/Chao both might have a shot in the 50/100 at Lardiere. ALso Beyer’s 1:38 makes a WashU sweep of the sprint frees very feasible. That is, if they all re-taper for UAAs and not swim through to NCAAs.

      They won’t retaper for UAA’s.

    • #43531
      trout3
      Member

      @The Treat wrote:

      @SkipBrainless wrote:

      Looks like Leckey/Chao both might have a shot in the 50/100 at Lardiere. ALso Beyer’s 1:38 makes a WashU sweep of the sprint frees very feasible. That is, if they all re-taper for UAAs and not swim through to NCAAs.

      They won’t retaper for UAA’s.

      In a way that’s ashame. They’d be great races to watch with all tapered together. NYU did their normal untapered december meet this weekend. Even though Lardiere got all B cuts in free and fly with 100 free as a Q time, it might be unsafe for him not to taper for UAAs seeing as how fast the total field seems to be this year.

    • #43532
      The Treat
      Member

      @trout3 wrote:

      @The Treat wrote:

      @SkipBrainless wrote:

      Looks like Leckey/Chao both might have a shot in the 50/100 at Lardiere. ALso Beyer’s 1:38 makes a WashU sweep of the sprint frees very feasible. That is, if they all re-taper for UAAs and not swim through to NCAAs.

      They won’t retaper for UAA’s.

      In a way that’s ashame. They’d be great races to watch with all tapered together. NYU did their normal untapered december meet this weekend. Even though Lardiere got all B cuts in free and fly with 100 free as a Q time, it might be unsafe for him not to taper for UAAs seeing as how fast the total field seems to be this year.

      Nationals has always been Wash U’s focus. The only way Shively would taper you for UAA’s again is if the team really needed to get someone to nats on a relay and he couldn’t do it without tapering someone. Even then, it’ll only be a short taper.

      As for Lardiere, agreed that it would be unsafe for him not to taper again. Anything but an A cut is unsafe.

    • #43533
      trout3
      Member

      As for Lardiere, agreed that it would be unsafe for him not to taper again. Anything but an A cut is unsafe.

      Let me clarify… Lardiere has not seen a taper or tech suit yet. Looks like both will be critical at UAA.

    • #43534

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      @nemesis enforcer wrote:

      i don’t see anyone challenging westby

      No one will touch Westby, unless her teammates do.

      looks like pavlack will challenge westby from in house

    • #43535

      @nemesis enforcer wrote:

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      @nemesis enforcer wrote:

      i don’t see anyone challenging westby

      No one will touch Westby, unless her teammates do.

      looks like pavlack will challenge westby from in house

      that is if she is still competing…London 2012… just kidding, but i havent seen her in results, where is she?

    • #43536
      openwater
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      that is if she is still competing…London 2012… just kidding, but i havent seen her in results, where is she?

      From Emory’s web site:
      Emory University’s Claire Pavlak recorded two NCAA ‘A’ cut times and eight ‘B’ cut times at the Miami University Invitational. Pavlak recorded a pair of ‘A’ cut times in the 50-yard freestyle, swimming a mark of 23.61 seconds in the preliminaries, and 23.60 seconds in the finals, good for a third-place finish. The freshman helped set a school record as part of the 200-yard freestyle relay team, as the squad swam a ‘B’ cut time of 1:35.44. Pavlak also recorded ‘B’ cut marks in the 100-yard backstroke, the 100-yard freestyle, and as part of the 200-yard and 400-yard medley relay teams, helping the second-ranked Eagles to a fifth-place finish.

    • #43537

      @openwater wrote:

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      that is if she is still competing…London 2012… just kidding, but i havent seen her in results, where is she?

      From Emory’s web site:
      Emory University’s Claire Pavlak recorded two NCAA ‘A’ cut times and eight ‘B’ cut times at the Miami University Invitational. Pavlak recorded a pair of ‘A’ cut times in the 50-yard freestyle, swimming a mark of 23.61 seconds in the preliminaries, and 23.60 seconds in the finals, good for a third-place finish. The freshman helped set a school record as part of the 200-yard freestyle relay team, as the squad swam a ‘B’ cut time of 1:35.44. Pavlak also recorded ‘B’ cut marks in the 100-yard backstroke, the 100-yard freestyle, and as part of the 200-yard and 400-yard medley relay teams, helping the second-ranked Eagles to a fifth-place finish.

      gee thanks, nothing about westby.

    • #43538
      openwater
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      gee thanks, nothing about westby.

      Sorry – misread your question.
      In November Westby was 23.73/51.69 against Georgia, 1:54 in a meet with Davidson and 58.7 in the Fly in a third meet.

    • #43539

      Any other predictions for any other events?

      Here are my guesses…

      50: Lardiere
      100: Lardiere
      200: Chao
      500: Beyer
      1650: Hogan

      100 fly: Stabell
      200 fly: Wang

      100 Back: Brown
      200 Back: Dahlen

      100 Breast: Hostoffer
      200 Breast: Hostoffer

      200 IM: Yamada
      400 IM: Diggs

      200 FR: Emory
      400 FR: WashU
      800 FR: WashU

      200 Medley: Case
      400 Medley: Emory

    • #43540
      HOOSIER77
      Member

      Who Won the 100 Fly and 200 Fly Events Last year, was it Stabell and/or Wang?

    • #43541

      @SkipBrainless wrote:

      1650: Hogan

      normally i’d agree, but im wondering what kinda of power play Howell is going to make. Diggs and Milburn (2 and 3 respectively at nationals in the mile last year) qualified for the mile at their midseason taper meet, BUT it isnt fast enough for the top 8, putting them somewhere in the banana heats. I know milburn crushed those heats last year, but who knows, if he had been in the big heat, would the results been different? Im sure these two seniors would like to take down a legacy, if its not the 29 year streek, why not the 16+ one. Anyways, heres what i can see howell doing:

      1. let diggs and milburn set the tone in the banana heat, swim off each other, and hope Smith wont beat it. or (less likely)
      2. retaper for UAAs, to qualify for a better spot, risk taper for nationals, (or really doubtful, but still a possibility)
      3. rest for a jan/early feb meet for a better position, enough time for a good taper for nationals.

    • #43542

      @HOOSIER77 wrote:

      Who Won the 100 Fly and 200 Fly Events Last year, was it Stabell and/or Wang?

      No, John Petroff won both the 100 and 200 flys last year. But he’s already been sub 50 and 1:50 this year, so I don’t think he’ll retaper for UAAs. Last year at UAAs he went 50.2 and 1:52, and I’m assuming those were tapered, but who really knows.

      Stabell and Wang haven’t made A-cuts this year, so they will probably need them, so I bet they taper for UAAs to get them. Or maybe they’ll taper for an earlier meet to try and get them (like for Hogan, mentioned previously).

    • #43543
      HOOSIER77
      Member

      Will Emory bring all of its horses to Chicago?

    • #43544
      silentp
      Member

      @HOOSIER77 wrote:

      Will Emory bring all of its horses to Chicago?

      How many of their guys/gals have A cuts? The only way you leave 1 home is if he/she is a distance swimmer with an A cut or on a relay with an A cut and has all his/her B cuts. This is not the year to play it risky.

    • #43545

      I agree with P. Great B cuts aren’t safe anymore. The only way you know you’re in is with an A cut, so I imagine that Emory will bring almost their whole A team, save a couple of people with A cuts.
      As usual, this will be a battle for second between Wash U and NYU, at least on the guys’ side. Does anyone know how NYU looks? I haven’t heard a whole lot about them so far…

    • #43546
      swimfan2755
      Member

      Apparently WashU freshman Karina Stridh went 49.8 in the 100 free in practice Wednesday during a lactate set… unfortunately she’s probably out for the season after swimming into a lane line last night. She may need reconstructive surgery, and from what I understand they’re planning on reconstructing her face as an exact replica of classmate Nick Thornburg’s.

      Leckey is also out for the season as he left Sunday to spend the semester on his yacht in the Mediterranean with his super model girlfriend.

      Both huge losses for WashU….

    • #43547

      @screeeeeeeeech wrote:

      As usual, this will be a battle for second between Wash U and NYU, at least on the guys’ side. Does anyone know how NYU looks? I haven’t heard a whole lot about them so far…

      False

      I believe that CMU will edge BOTH schools and get 2nd on the men’s side. Too much depth, even for WashU’s studs to handle. And NYU slips to 4th.

    • #43548
      Kevin Ewing
      Keymaster

      WashU’s problem has been their numbers. This year they should bring a full roster of 21 guys to Chi City. Expect a couple youngsters to surprise

    • #43549

      @BlackFire wrote:

      WashU’s problem has been their numbers. This year they should bring a full roster of 21 guys to Chi City. Expect a couple youngsters to surprise

      Hey that even leaves room for them to get a DIVER

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