Top 10 Recruits

1:42.1 200 Free – 4:34.5 500 Free Wash U
1:42.8 200 Free – Denison

we’ve got a 4:41 or so 500 freestyler who also has a junior nat cut in 200 IM at Mcdaniel college, which none of you have ever heard of most likely

also, i think that might be b.s about the wash u dude, i saw what he went at the louisville meet, and it was like 1:48 200 free, which is very fast for the first meet of the season, but all of the 4:34 freestylers that i know started out last season at like 1:45 atleast in the 200 free.

i could be completely wrong though

McDaniel is a school recognized in Loren Pope’s book ‘Colleges that Chagnge Lives.’ I believe it is located in Maryland.

Good for McDaniel. If they got an IMer with a junior cut they should have representation at Nats in March. Who ever gives the ‘lone wolf’ updates, be sure to include this kid. What is his name?

WashU’s freshman was 4:34.68, also good for a junior cut. First meet of the year, first meet of a college career, a meet likely just a couple weeks into season. I am not going to read much into why he was ‘only’ 1:48. His lifetime best 200 is 1:42. There is no doubt in my mind that Shively will have him where he needs to be in March.

@facenorth wrote:

McDaniel is a school recognized in Loren Pope’s book ‘Colleges that Chagnge Lives.’ I believe it is located in Maryland.

Good for McDaniel. If they got an IMer with a junior cut they should have representation at Nats in March. Who ever gives the ‘lone wolf’ updates, be sure to include this kid. What is his name?

WashU’s freshman was 4:34.68, also good for a junior cut. First meet of the year, first meet of a college career, a meet likely just a couple weeks into season. I am not going to read much into why he was ‘only’ 1:48. His lifetime best 200 is 1:42. There is no doubt in my mind that Shively will have him where he needs to be in March.

yeah, keep in mind that i was 1:49-1:50 at certain points in the season. some people just arent in season swimmers.

i think the treat won the “best in season swimmer (cough cough sarcasm)” award this past summer right?

i bet shively gets the kid to a faster time than 1:42 in the 200, i’m interested in seeing his 500 progression also

I’ve said this before, but I will reiterate. When (“if” for some people) you are working hard and are broken down during the season, most people will not swim very fast! I don’t know who you are talking about when you say “all” 434 500 freestylers, b/c I have seen a great many that don’t even break 150 with two and a half weeks of training. Also, before you say something is bogus, perhaps check past results and don’t make yourself look dumb by saying it.

And he went a 1:58 low this summer in the 200M, so I wouldn’t worry too much…

@silentp wrote:

I’m confused gomez… you say he’s a 4:41 500 guy and also a junior nat qualifier in the IM? Why would you mention the 441 if he’s a junio cut guy in the IM? That’s either a sub 1:53.79 or a sub 4:02.49… those are both top 10 recruit nominee times, but a 441 guy isn’t anything that special.

silentp, the twins are done. you should change the signature 😉 that was a tough series. you gotta figure johan’s gonna win game one. when that doesn’t happen, you’re in a tough situation. you’re lucky that radke’s arm didnt call off. then again, he’s probably retiring so maybe it should have fallen off.

i meant ncsa junior nats

but he went his 500 time last year in hs, and his im’s were 2 years ago and in LC, which doesn’t mean much to me, since i haven’t swam much LC.

any way, it was like 2:12 lc 200 im

all i know is that was swam at ncsa’s 2 years ago

I would not be worried at all about 1:48 for a first meet. I have no doubt that this kid will be at least 1:41 low by the end of the year.

i had a coach last year, and he told me alot of bullshit, but i think this is true. In 2001, USA swimming made a bunch of changes, and one was canceling their spring (i believe they were shortcourse, but i could be wrong) and replacing them with Sectionals as the meet below spring nationals. the national club swimming association decided to sponsor a meet with qualifying times similar to those of the old short course juniors cuts, which coincidentally tend to be about 2 tenth off of b-cuts for D3. So, basically, NCSA junior nats are big with some teams and in some regions, and some teams could care less about them.

NCSA Junior Nationals is a Short Course meet in the Spring that utilizes the “old” Junior National Cuts. There is only one meet, versus the old system with three meets. USA Swimming decided to drop the Junior Meet in favor of Sectionals to allow for greater levels of participation at a “sub-national” level. There was such an uproar from coaches that the NCSA (National Club Swimming Association) was formed and started their own meet. It is a very fast meet with a ton of quality swims. USA Swimming did not like to be trumped though and brought back a Junior Meet, albeit with much faster cuts. The USA Swimming meet is held LCM in the Summer.

so my coach was sort of right.

thats good to know.

gomez and swimbadger,

I am a USA Swimming athlete representative and have been since before Juniors was axed and sectionals implemented. You are both correct about the advent of the “fake” juniors, but as far as the politics that are behind everything, it’s CRAZY. Imagine some of the most prominent coaches in the nation standing up in front of the entire 500-person House of Delegates and telling them that junior nationals is no good… Officials and parents strong-arming athletes, coaches exerting influence on swimmers. Athletes have 20% of the vote with USA Swimming, the other 80% is coaches, administrators (parents), officials, and former athletes who have votes one way or another. All the major decisions in USA Swimming are made by this 500-person delegation. The most important work of the House of Delegates is electing USA Swimming leaders (president, VPs, etc.) and voting on rules. Check out the USA Swimming rule book, everything in there is covered by the House of Delegates.

Anyway, back to what swimbadger said, USA Swimming wasn’t exactly upset about being trumped by the coaches, since many of those coaches are also representatives to USA Swimming and members of the House of Delegates. What really happened is a realization that our country needs a junior national level meet. Seeing that the meet being run by an outside organization had the limited success that it did, but that people were still attracted to it, made people in the House of Delegates realize that there is value to having an official Junior National Championship, and therefore, Champions. No matter what kind of behind-the-scenes negotiations might have taken place, it is still the 500-person House of Delegates that makes the decision, not the person who wrote the legislation.

what i don’t get is why did they change the age for juniors from 19 to 18. My mom swam for jersey wahoo’s in the 70’s and went to juniors after her freshman year at UConn.