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    • #12230
      jellyfish
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      I think it’s about time there’s a topic about the women’s conference meet. it is now just 3 weeks away and these are the questions that come to mind:

      how will the 3-way competition affect the outcome?
      does carleton really have a shot or will they fall apart like they did last year?
      all three teams graduated high-scoring seniors. are the new freshman good enough to replace them?
      last year only 2 miac females went to nationals. will more go this year?

      my predictions:
      gac didn’t lose that many seniors (only katie haynes and the diver kara yetter), yet gained some fast freshman (jonna berry, carrie gunderson, koepp) whereas olaf lost a lot more seniors (emily love, carly knoell, kate blum, hannah berg), so my vote goes to gac.
      i think olaf’s 800 free relay, however, has a pretty good chance at nationals.

    • #34059
      silentp
      Member

      My pick is obviously GAC, but i think it’s for the same reasons you pointed out, however they will have to swim better than they did in Stevens Point to win it. Their freshmen are impact at the top, and also add depth in events such as the breastroke.

      I think GAC has a shot of sending a couple relays and even 2+ freshmen individually. I would say Koepp and Gunderson should both get in. I also see their 200 MR making the cut, probably not as quick as a couple years ago, but with Yoshi really showing up at Stevens Point (one of the few), i think that will have a huge impact, add to that shifting Sara Pfau back to backstroke and the addition of Koepp, and they should make a solid run at it.

      I also have to think one of their freestyle relays could have a shot. The 800 is a bit too long for some of their sprinters and beyond Gunderson, probably don’t have the depth. The 200 would be too short to take advantage of swimmers like Pfau or Gunderson, so i would think the 400 should be perfect for them. I see Gunderson coming down for this event and possibly splitting a 54 or better, plus their impact freshmen and now experience sophomores can add to what could turn to be a quick relay. Also, if Laura Wadkins can get back her younger days form, they will be tough to stop.

      I think Carleton is the wild card, most people don’t know a lot about what they will be bringing to the table because we haven’t seen them at the same invites as the Oles or Gusties. This weekend should be informative with their dual against GAC and if they step up from their current times, they may take the win.

    • #34060
      lirpa
      Member

      OK, so who makes it to the NCAA meet, or at least makes some serious cuts? I’m looking at the non-Olaf andd GAC teams, only b/c silentp and others know a lot more about them than I do.

      UST
      Jena Root 100 back
      Layla Clauss? will she be close in those frees?

      Carleton
      What the heck are the alexander girls going to swim? I’m guessing Becky does 50,100, and 100 back, while Kate does both breasts and the 200im. Kate should be a lock, can they drag some relays there?

      Any threats from Mac, USB, Hamline, etc?

      As for the relays, the 400 free relay will be tough to qualify. A 54 split might bump you out of contention. 53.5 per girl = 3:34.00, which didn’t go last year, and I think that was a down year for sprint free nationally.

      I’m not as informed as the rest of you so if I made any glaring omissions I apologize!

    • #34061
      mindgame
      Member

      I think you’re right, lirpa. Becky Alexander will probably swim 50, 100, and either 100 back or 100 fly. But sister Kate will likely skip the 100 breast and do both IM’s along with the 200 breast. She will be breaking conference records in both IM’s for sure.

      As for GAC’s 400 free relay, Gunderson has already split a low 54 at the Olaf dual, so I’m guessing she can go faster: low 52 maybe. Don’t think Watkins will be on that relay. Probably Gunderson, Berry, Pfau, and I think Piehl will produce some fast taper times.

    • #34062
      silentp
      Member

      As far as GAC goes, looking at relays, the 400 is tougher than i thought. They’d need 2 52-mids and 2 53 flats to have a shot. The best they had last year was 52-high. Carrie was 55.0 flat start against Olaf, so i could see a 52 if she tapers well.

      I could be wrong and the best 200 FR might be the best shot for a free relay to get in. They went 1:38 last year and it took 1:36, the fastest it has ever taken, and everyone is back, plus new/improved freshmen.

      The 200 MR would be the best shot, looking like the following
      Pfau 28.0
      Koepp 29.0
      Yoshi 26.0
      Wadkins 24.0
      = 1:47.0
      The times for Yoshi and Laura are actually slower than they went last year and i think the first 2 are very do-able, or close. I think the MIAC has the meet record wrong though, because it lists the 1:47.12 by GAC in 05 as the overall, but not meet record.

      The 400 MR would have a shot with some quick splits also, but a longer shot than the 200 MR.

    • #34063
      mindgame
      Member

      I don’t think any Free relay from the MIAC has a realistic shot to make it. St Ben’s has the fastest time so far in the 200 free relay, but it would be a long shot.
      The 200 Med Relays from Carleton and GAC probably have the best chances, if they taper well.
      And I hate to say it, silentp, but O’Connor (freshman from GAC) could be the backstroker on the medley relays, at least the short one.

    • #34064
      lirpa
      Member

      Actually SilentP, last year 137.76 went in the 200 free relay, a slow year for that one, but good news for a returning relay that went 138.

      Also that 200 medley has a shot, typically a 1 48 mid to high goes. I do think 29.0 is a stretch for the breast split. Koepp is fast, but that is VERY fast. The splits from last year’s prelims are up on this site, and only payne and Norsworthy were near that time. I hope they do it though, it would be fun to see.

    • #34065
      silentp
      Member

      @mindgame wrote:

      I don’t think any Free relay from the MIAC has a realistic shot to make it. St Ben’s has the fastest time so far in the 200 free relay, but it would be a long shot.
      The 200 Med Relays from Carleton and GAC probably have the best chances, if they taper well.
      And I hate to say it, silentp, but O’Connor (freshman from GAC) could be the backstroker on the medley relays, at least the short one.

      I don’t see how you can say no Free relay has a shot when not only does the GAC 200 FR return everyone, they actually have even faster girls than some of those they return. In season times may be important to some, so if that’s what you base things on, that’s cool, but i don’t.

      I can see why you’d say O’Connor might go on the 200 MR, but i’d disagree. I would bet you didn’t think pfau would be on the 400 FR last year either, right? Then she stepped up and split 52. If O’Connor is on a medley, it’d be the 400.

      @lirpa wrote:

      Actually SilentP, last year 137.76 went in the 200 free relay, a slow year for that one, but good news for a returning relay that went 138.

      Also that 200 medley has a shot, typically a 1 48 mid to high goes. I do think 29.0 is a stretch for the breast split. Koepp is fast, but that is VERY fast. The splits from last year’s prelims are up on this site, and only payne and Norsworthy were near that time. I hope they do it though, it would be fun to see.

      Thank you lirpa, my bad on both accounts.
      Derek needs to update the Qualifying Guide, it took 1:36 in 05, so 1:36 would be safer, but you are correct. I will bug him about it.
      Also, the 29.0 was based on her 30. split against Olaf, but yes, it’s too fast. I do think she can be 29-mid to 29-high though. Also, 28.0 might be a touch quick for Pfau as well (she’s been 28.4 freshman year), but it’s hopeful and i’d think we’ll see at least a 28-mid.

    • #34066
      mindgame
      Member

      Maybe I’m wrong about the 200FR. I hope so. The big question mark I see for GAC is Watkins. Let’s face it, her shoulders are really bad. Can she pull it together enough for Conference. Again, I hope so.

    • #34067
      SeekUp
      Member

      So I decided to look at how many points each senior (swimmers and divers) from the top three teams contributed at conference last year and found:
      Olaf: 174
      Carleton: 110
      Gustavus: 67

      When these points are subtracted from team final scores we get:
      Olaf: 589.5
      Carleton: 507.5
      Gustavus: 511

      I also looked at relays and found that Olaf had seniors on every relay with 3 on both the 200fr and 400 MR, Gustavus had only one senior on 2 of their relays and Carleton had about one senior on each relay. Last year’s team points from relays were:
      Olaf: 174
      Carleton: 174
      Gustavus: 178

      We all know Gustavus and Carlton have some standout freshman swimmers but Gustavus has the edge on both Carlton and Olaf with the amount of decently good freshman they have who will compile their formally lacking depth. My vote will sadly have to go to Gustavus as conference team champion with Carleton and Olaf duking it out for second. Relays will be a huge factor and I am excited to see how close this meet will really be.

    • #34068
      SeekUp
      Member

      As for swimmers making it to nationals I say Katie Alexander, Julia Rood, and Sara Koepp are in unless something terrible happens with their taper or they get injured or something. I also think Becky Alexander, Kelly Dolan, Mikayla Meyer (if she swims the 100 back), and Carrie Gunderson are all very likely to make it in or at least swim some convincing B cuts. Other possibilities but more likely stretches are Jen Gratz Carleton, Sara Pfau and Yoshi Ludwig Gustavus, and Kaelly Simpson St. Ben’s.

      Relays making it in no question are Gustavus’ 200 MR and Carleton’s 400 FR. Possibilities are Olaf’s 800 FR and Gustavus’ 200FR

    • #34069
      mindgame
      Member

      Thanks SeekUp for the nice work on team points at conference.
      I was wondering if you have any insight on people who may have been abroad last semester or will be going abroad this semester, and how that could impact team points at conference.
      Also, don’t you see Carleton’s 200 MR having a chance to make nationals? The butterfly would be a weak leg at this point, but maybe with a good taper?

    • #34070
      jellyfish
      Member

      as to who’s abroad and who’s not, i’m not sure. however, it does seem like the st. olaf women’s team is a bit sparse, whereas gac’s team seemed to be in full force at stevens point at least. question is, are these absences from semester travel or j-term? any ideas?
      also, it seems that the reigning 200-fly champ, lainie cassel, didn’t swim first semester and but has been pulling some decent times this interim. will she be able to step it up for conference?

      furthermore, although i did vote for gac, i don’t think we are giving enough credit to olaf. they may be a bit disadvantaged, but to tell you the truth i wouldn’t be surprised by an olaf win. let’s not forget that olaf did tie gac in their duel meet. gac picked up some good freshman, but i expect to see some good things from olaf newcomers like transfer aly janzen and first year IMer jamie fredeen, too.

    • #34071
      SeekUp
      Member

      @mindgame wrote:

      Also, don’t you see Carleton’s 200 MR having a chance to make nationals? The butterfly would be a weak leg at this point, but maybe with a good taper?

      You are right; they do have a good chance of making it in the 200MR and the 400 MR for that matter. Last year Carleton was about a second off of the B cut so with the addition of Kate Alexander and a healthy Becky (I heard she had mono last season) I don’t see why they wouldn’t be in contention. I guess I just over looked them.

      As for swimmers abroad, I will let someone else spend the time finding out who has missed some meets, but as Jellyfish pointed out Cassel was traipsing around South America and Cuba for first semester. I will point out that over the past 3 weeks she has improved her season best in the 200 fly by 12 seconds, so I don’t see the reigning two time champion giving up her crown without a fight

    • #34072
      iswimfar
      Member

      @SeekUp wrote:

      As for swimmers abroad, I will let someone else spend the time finding out who has missed some meets

      seems that from olaf jen marzolf, annie gatzlaff, and marcie dierks were gone for interim. i haven’t had time to look over gac’s; does anyone know which gusties went abroad for j-term?
      all three ole swimmers are huge contributers to the team and easily top eight (if not much higher) swimmers. concerning j-terms abroad, however, it seems like most swimmers are able to do pretty well after the month off. in fact, some seem to thrive given a longer rest.
      as for my opinion concerning conference, i have to go w/ last year’s champs, olaf.

    • #34073
      SeekUp
      Member

      @iswimfar wrote:

      concerning j-terms abroad, however, it seems like most swimmers are able to do pretty well after the month off.

      It will be interesting to see how they swim at the Carleton dual this Saturday.

    • #34074
      frizzy
      Member

      First of all, Marcie Dierks, according to the whispers I’ve been hearing, is no longer swimming at Saint Olaf.
      Second of all, though the Carleton women lost narrowly to their St. Peter arch-rivals, they crushed their cross-town rivals–the same team that couldn’t beat the Gusties–this weekend
      Finally, there is going to be a new champ in town this time around. The Carleton women, I believe, will take their first post-Marsman-era conference title. Some may call it the Alexander Era, but that takes away too much credit from the other 16 Knights going to MIACs.

      In defense of my belief:
      The Carleton distance Women need to have a good taper but if their early taperers are any indication, they’ll be ready on the 15th. The Carleton Women have top swimmers in almost every stroke at every distance, even holding out the Alexanders; their junior captain swam super fast against the Oles this weekend, proving she won’t go quietly into the night behind the elder Alexander Knight at sprint freestyle.

      Any way you look at it, it is going to be one tight race between three very strong women’s teams… and it won’t be over at the end of the MIAC meet because each team looks to have a nice group at nationals.

    • #34075
      Tiger2
      Member

      I have to disagree with frizzy. Although Carleton has the potential for numerous first place finishes at conference, the Gustavus women still have superior depth and will win the title.
      I’m not surprised that Carleton beat Olaf at their dual, but I am surprised how thin the Olaf line-up looked. Gatzlaff and Dierks absent (perhaps SeekUp could shed some light), and Cassel and Marzolf still have quite a way to go before conference. At this point I’d have to say
      first place-Gustavus, second-Carleton, third-Olaf.

      Is it just me, or is “Title IX” a rather lame topic name? I think the women of the MIAC deserve better.

    • #34076
      frizzy
      Member

      Tiger2, maybe it is just my own love affair with the Carleton women, but their depth is where I think they’ll beat the Gustavus women. Carleton has the potential for something like 8 first place finishes, not including relays. Behind that, they have an incredible corps of breaststrokers–4 in the top 8 for the 100, 4 in the top 13 for the 200–and their backstrokers have finally started to swim like I’ve known they can. (A quick comparison of placing in the breaststroke shows us the strength of the Knight breaststrokers. For the Oles, their fourth fastest 100 BR is ranked 40th, 200 Br 34th. Gusties: 100 17th, 200 21st.)
      Granted, this depth is mirrored by the Gustavus fliers, although where the Knights have top end speed in both strokes, the Gusties don’t have the top end speed in the breaststroke, the deep and fast Knight event.
      It will be interesting. It will be interesting.

    • #34077
      SeekUp
      Member

      @frizzy wrote:

      the Gusties don’t have the top end speed in the breaststroke,

      maybe i am reading this argument wrong but are you saying GAC doesnt have any fast breastrokers? What about Sarah Koepp or Maggie Hansvick?

    • #34078
      Tiger2
      Member

      @frizzy wrote:

      A quick comparison of placing in the breaststroke shows us the strength of the Knight breaststrokers. For the Oles, their fourth fastest 100 BR is ranked 40th, 200 Br 34th. Gusties: 100 17th, 200 21st.

      Gustavus doesn’t need four breaststrokers. Most likely they will take only three breaststrokers, and every one of their swimmers in other events will score more points than a fourth breaststroker would.
      Carleton is going to be hurting in diving. They’ve got just one? Will they even take her, or would they rather have a swimmer in her place?

    • #34079

      @frizzy wrote:

      A quick comparison of placing in the breaststroke shows us the strength of the Knight breaststrokers

      Are you by any chance related to John Madden?

      For some reason, your quote reminded me of this famous quote:
      “The team that scores the most points wins”
      -John Madden

      😀

    • #34080

      @frizzy wrote:

      For some reason, your quote reminded me of this famous quote:
      “The team that scores the most points wins”
      -John Madden

      😀

      To add to the rest of that quote
      “But sometimes the defense comes up Big!”

    • #34081
      frizzy
      Member

      I only wish I was related to John Madden.
      And sorry, I didn’t mean to discount Koepp or Hansvick, I was a little excited–I’d just finished my second cup of coffee.
      As for Carleton diving, I will happily share the information I know on Thursday evening, after coaches have put in their final entries.

    • #34082
      frizzy
      Member

      Whoops, looks like I missed Thursday evening.
      Carleton will be bringing their female diver to the MIAC Championship meet, clearly an investment in their future.
      Go John Madden!

    • #34083
      the Todd
      Member

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