The Fonz

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    • #11917
      silentp
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      A link was found, not by me but by a friend who can take credit if he’d like to, for results of the Fonzi swims:

      http://www.asua-aquatics.org/html/English/Results%20CCCAN-2005.htm

      50 breast – 29.64
      100 breast – 1:05.38
      200 breast – 2:28.97

      He also swam on the 400 FR which went 3:39 so it could probably be assumed he is at worst a 55 in the event.

      Thought you might enjoy it.

    • #29868
      maverick1
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      those are pretty quick

      apparently he went a 1:05.87 in 2004 which is pretty damn fast for a 16/17 year old (it’s the caribbean islands record, a league which george bovelle also came out of) so he hasn’t gotten all that much better in the past few years and hopefully kathy can work on that.

      look for the record in the 15-17 year old age group
      http://www.ciscpr2006.org/RecordsCISC.htm

    • #29869
      silentp
      Member

      @maverick wrote:

      those are pretty quick

      apparently he went a 1:05.87 in 2004 which is pretty damn fast for a 16/17 year old (it’s the caribbean islands record, a league which george bovelle also came out of) so he hasn’t gotten all that much better in the past few years and hopefully kathy can work on that.

      look for the record in the 15-17 year old age group
      http://www.ciscpr2006.org/RecordsCISC.htm

      I’d say it’s 50/50… he’s either peaked and will “only” be a 56 breastroker for us, because he was great young and never improved and won’t improve or he just didn’t have the coaching to go to the next level and what he accomplished was all based on skill/ability.

    • #29870
      maverick1
      Member

      he’s from the dominican republic……they can’t roll cigars……they roll their crepes too tightly……and they can’t coach swimmers, but do a damn nice job with baseball players

      he’ll get faster. he just hasn’t had much high level training in the past few years is what i’m gong to put my money on

    • #29871
      Mickey Mouse
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      One potential problem with high schoolers coming in that haven’t done as intense training as they do in college (Ellis and the Fonz) is the adjustment period. That first year will be very painful to them and maybe produce not-so-good times because their bodies will be broken down so much.

      I’ve seen way too many people quit for similar reasons…I’m sure most of you have similar stories. How many times have you heard “He’s a 56.8 breastroke without training….he’s got to be a 54 with it!” And then they go 59.

      I’m hoping they do well…just don’t expect TOO much

    • #29872
      silentp
      Member

      @Mickey Mouse wrote:

      One potential problem with high schoolers coming in that haven’t done as intense training as they do in college (Ellis and the Fonz) is the adjustment period. That first year will be very painful to them and maybe produce not-so-good times because their bodies will be broken down so much.

      I’ve seen way too many people quit for similar reasons…I’m sure most of you have similar stories. How many times have you heard “He’s a 56.8 breastroke without training….he’s got to be a 54 with it!” And then they go 59.

      I’m hoping they do well…just don’t expect TOO much

      Can’t speak for Fonzi but we’ve had Lahser swimmers come in and be very successful, even in their first years. One name that comes to mind would be Andrew Kurtz. His 3 second drop in the 100 breast and 1.2 second drop (by junio year) in the 50 were pretty solid. Maybe Ellis will come in and do similar things given the similarities between he and Kurtz.

    • #29873
      Mickey Mouse
      Member

      Big difference – out of HS season, Kurtz swam year-round with his club (BBD), Ellis did not – he just swam in the fall with his club (BBA)

    • #29874
      maverick1
      Member

      i don’t believe that andrew used to swim year round because he’d take time off to do lacrosse and soccer during the actual high school academic year.

    • #29875
      silentp
      Member

      He’d swim summer league in the summer, which is a joke and went to Ynats his senior year, maybe junior year. He did nothing, swimming-wise, other than that.

    • #29876
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Mickey Mouse wrote:

      How many times have you heard “He’s a 56.8 breastroke without training….he’s got to be a 54 with it!” And then they go 59.

      The only 56 breaststroker to go d3 (I think) was Josh Boss. So, yeah, when you ask “How many times” my answer is “0”.

      What you might be asking is, how many times have you heard, “He was a 1:01 w/out training, he’ll be a 58…” That is something we here a lot. But you cannot compare an elite swimmer to a good swimmer because a 1:01 guys will be a lot more hit or miss.

      Nick Duda did not have a good freshmen year so “can’t misses” do, in fact, miss. But I don’t think that any particular reason can be pin-pointed though.

    • #29877
      el radio
      Member

      @maverick wrote:

      he’s from the dominican republic……they can’t roll cigars……they roll their crepes too tightly……

      ok kramer…did the jelly hit you in the eye also?

    • #29878
      swimkid4221
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      Ellis only swam for BBA prior to high school, and once he hit high school he quit to play golf. And from racing against him, he’s a competitor. He gets hyped up for the big races. I don’t think he’ll have a problem adjusting to KZoo swimming.

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