Swimmer of the Meet

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    • #11875
      el radio
      Member

      ok so we kinda lost everything to talk about after the ZOO guys started talking about stuff they only know…SO maybe this will help get some talk started again.

      Assuming that Kurtis blow doesnt return…WHO will be the new MIAA swimmer of the meet?

      please discuss your reasoning in full detail…I want ACTION

      i apologize if we have alrady discussed this topic, but something needs to be said. Too many people go on this site everyday hoping for posts, but no one will do it anymore. If it has already been discussed please feel free to call me a rotten dumbass with no logic, or just do so anyways

    • #29268
      swim5599
      Member

      I would have to say based on times this new guy Heyboer will be swimmer of the meet.

    • #29269
      silentp
      Member

      You couldn’t be more right, i check this thing often and get dissappointed when no one has posted anything.

      The Swimmer of the Meet for the past few years has been a triple event winner. If Heyboer swims the IM, he has a shot to complete this, but far from a certainty. They still allow the flip in high school right? Either way, he’d be the favorite. If it’s the 500 he swims, his task gets more difficult. Since the MIAA doesn’t really have backstrokers, the 100 and 200 back (assuming he swims them) should be a cake walk. The 400 IM wouldn’t be as much of a cake walk, and Hope doesn’t have the best history in this event, but he’d easily be the favorite in it. Who knows what the Olivet euro-dude could do with a full season also.

      Let’s say Heyboer tries his luck at the 500 and loses. I don’t see him swimming it because of Gardner already being a lock for top 3, but even if he swims the 200 IM and loses, it then comes down to the best performer. Perhaps the best single performance will come from either the 200 back (Heyboer again), 100 breast (although even a great performance would likely not be an MIAA record… does that matter?) or the 1650.

      If Krone does an amazing 1650 (sub 15:50) and also wins the 500 in a very fast time (4:34 or better), which are both possible, he should be the MIAA MVP. If Heyboer does a 1:51-low or better in the 200 back, plus a 4:01 or 51-low or 1:52 (IM), then he’d become the new favorite. If Fonzi goes a 55-mid or better in the 100 breast, he’d still need a 20. 50 time or 2:03 200 breast time to vie for the title. If Fonzi does go sub 55 and has even decent times in his other event, you’d have to throw his name in the hat.

      In the end, my pick will be Heyboer, simply by playing the odds.

    • #29270
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Heyboer: 2-1
      Soriano: 3-1
      Krone: 5-1
      Dekker: 10-1
      Meisner: 15-1
      The rest of the field: 6-1

      (I feel like I am forgetting someone)

    • #29271
      Alterego
      Member

      It’s a good summer topic. It’s also a good early February topic.

      There was recently a thread called MIAA Studs or something along those lines. Some people had some fun with that one as well, some rankings even came out. Weird but impressive nonetheless I suppose.

      Right now the front runner has to be Krone. Why? Because he has an MIAA Record and has as good of a shot at another one next year than anyone else in the league. His 500 is not far off Slagh’s mark. You have also seen him perform again and represent the MIAA well in the 1650 at Nationals. Unfortunately for Paul, there is a possibility that he will not be a three event winner and the league will likely see at least one of those.

      Alfonso Espinosa’s name also has to be mentioned. I am not entirely sure what the exact criteria is but I have figured over the years that performance at Nationals may have something to do with it. Espinosa has a Senior National cut. Very few swimmers in d3 have sr nat cuts, not to mention he’s the only MIAA swimmer to have one. If it’s just stud power, he’s your guy. Like Krone though, he may not win three events. It sounds as though he has quite a bit of speed though so the 50 (which appears to be wide open with the departure of Blohm….we think) could be a realistic win for him. Careful though, Meisner is no slouch in the 2 Breast.

      Phil Heyboer is your best bet to win 3 individuals. He is also your only bet to knock Krone off in the 500. Could these two face off? They certainly could. Will they? Only time will tell. The favorite in the 500 still has to be Krone but Heyboer could certainly challenge. Hope is stronger in the IMs than the 500 so that may be reason enough for Heyboer to swim the 500. His times are equally strong in each but he would have a better shot at winning the IM. He should take either backstroke if he swims it, as SilentP indicated and while he is probably the frontrunner in the 4 IM, P makes a great point about Bylina who showed us last February that he is more than capable, even on limited training. While records are a possibility for Heyboer, they certainly are not shoeins.

      The wildcard here in Kurt Blohm. Now Kurt has been on this forum and publically said that he has the ability to swim but his shoulder has been bothering him. IF Kurt swims, IF being the operative word, he is likely your front runner for the 2007 Alpha Male Award. Why? Like Krone, he already has a record, that he has already lowered and it’s an A cut. His 100 from last year was less than a tenth off the MIAA record. He will have the easiest time of any of these athletes winning three events. AND… he will play the most important role of these cats on relays; followed by Soriano, Heyboer then Krone.

      No clear cut favorite, even with the return of Krone.

      Well Radio you’ve had some discussion. What are your thoughts on the topic?

    • #29272
      el radio
      Member

      well you guys have basically said all that i might want to say, but i guess it could be worth repeating.

      Krone – has his chance to continue his throne as king of the 5 and mile, but lacking the strong 200 will be the reason he will not finish as the top dog this coming year. He will be very impressive and i look forward to watching him swim, i just dont think has the MVP spot in reach

      Heyboer – All around great swimmer, has the potential to dominate many events. His best bet would be to go 1 and 2 back and 2 IM for his three win victory, but his only problem there is Dekker and Waterstone. I dont doubt his capability in the 4 IM but like most people have stated Yuri will be right there, and i think doing the 4 IM instead of the 2 IM would make for a tougher shot at getting alpha male. Another thing to think about here is that there could be a couple of 4 IM underdogs that we dont know about yet that could rise up this season…you never know what could happen, but for now I’ll stick with Bylina and Heyboer as the two top dogs in the 4 IM

      Dekker – Not the greatest chance to win all three of his events, but i would never put a solid contender out of the mix. Bobby is another strong 4 IM that i forgot to mention. It could be a tight race between those three. Depending on what happens this year with Heyboer i would say that I believe he and Heyboer could definitely have a good race going in the 2 IM. As i stated before cant forget Kyle Waterstone who will be right there at all times, if not leading most of the race.

      Espinosa – havent heard much about him, besides the fact that he is a blazing fast breastroker. I’d say he is in the same boat as Krone is in, because he has the breast, but does he have the 50? will he be just like Kurtz was and pullout a 20. in the 50? who knows, and that is why i put him on the bubble because i dont know what he has for a third event.

      these are my four in order of which I see:
      Heyboer
      Dekker
      Espinosa
      Krone

      for now i give the advantage to heyboer because he seems to have the events in his favor. Could be wrong, but it all comes down to this coming season

    • #29273
      silentp
      Member

      Could it also come down to relays? If no one wins 3 and all are very impressive, might people begin to look at the relays? I would think this is very unfair (not being able to sprint myself), but it’s possible. If it’s relays we’re looking at, Espinosa could be the man. He, however, may not be on the winning relays. The medleys both have a chance, but the others are long shots, very long shots. ZOO does have 3 solid sprinters coming in (him being one of the 3), but their 4th will be a very big question mark as the season progresses.

      Krone will not do much for relays and Heyboer adds to theirs, but i am unsure how much at this point. His backstroke for sure helps, but his speed is a question mark at this point, although no one can deny his ability.

    • #29274
      Insight
      Member

      In my humble automotive opinion, it has nothing to do with winning three events (see “Josh Boss”).

      It has most to do with scoring at Nationals. Now, I am jsut throwing this out there as a questions for you gusy that do research, but when was the last time the person that scored the most INDIVIDUAL points at Nats not wing the award? I do not have time to look it up….I certainly hope someone does!

      Mr. Soriano, from the sounds of it, as a cahcne to be in the tops of both breast events at Nats (let’s say 2 3rd’s, which is 32 points). If Heyboer swim three events at Nats and finals in all three (a trio of 8th places, equals 33 points). I don’t much thoguht abotu Mr. Krone because he really only has 2 events and he didnt do much in either event, or not enough at least to score anywhere near what Heyboer and Soriano could score. I know it is a little early to be predicting points at Nats but if there is one place I feel I could come and be a total swim-loser, it is this forum.

      Also, I will answer Mr. Silentp’s question. I don’t think it has ever come down to people winning relays and I don’t think it ever will. THe award is very individual, thus giving the chacne to a person to win a MIAA award without being on winning relays or teams.

    • #29275
      silentp
      Member

      Last year it was pretty close, with Krone scoring 9 and Blohm scoring 14.

      If you go back to 2000, there was a tie between Gorton and Boss, but Gorton scored more at NCAAs than Boss did.

      In 1999, Latham won the MVP but Boss scored a lot more at NCAAs.

    • #29276
      Derek
      Member

      Speaking about Krone-

      I think that he could easily be one of the top performers at (and from) MIAAs this year, but only in that one event. Depending on what he’s been doing this summer, he could move up. I don’t know the kid, but if he’s been working hard all summer and goes straight into season, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. And coming from where he already stands, that makes him the top performer in my mind.

      Now, even if he busts out and goes 15:3-mid and is 2nd or 3rd at nationals, will he be MVP? No. Why? Because, like everybody said, he wouldn’t win three at MIAAs. I think that’s a shame, because if DIII had the 1000, he could be just like a Boss or Gorton or Holt with only two events. Instead, he will have only one event and maybe a 800FR. (I really don’t count his 500 or 200 since he didn’t even get a second swim in those at nationals.)

    • #29277
      Low Tide
      Member

      It’s not uncommon at all for the MIAA MVP to not score the most points at nationals.

      In ’95 Assink and Miller scored more than Knapp. Latham then won four years straight without being amongst the top two (from the MIAA) in scoring at nationals.

    • #29278
      stewie
      Member

      Is Waterstone a dark horse? Or is that just stupid….

    • #29279
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Is Waterstone a dark horse? Or is that just stupid….

      stupid, no offense because he is a very good swimmer, but you have to win an event, he has an outside shot at the 100 fly and will do well in the 200 IM, but that’s it. no shot.

    • #29280
      Insufficient
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Is Waterstone a dark horse? Or is that just stupid….

      worse than stupid….

      since when does a guy with one ‘B’ cut become a dark horse candidate for alpha male. i don’t believe waterstone has even qualified to swim at nationals in a relay, let alone have the caliber of swims to compete individually on the national scene.

      with guys like espinosa and heyboer coming in there is no chance. yes, he has a chance to win the 100 fly (if he swims its), but that is one of the few events in which not a single swimmer made a ‘B’ cut last year. Can he compete with Dekker in the 200 IM, certainly, but he won’t compete with Heyboer.

      waterstone is a very solid all-around swimmer, but he was all-miaa for the first time last year.

      STUPID

    • #29281
      silentp
      Member

      @Insufficient wrote:

      @stewie wrote:

      Can he compete with Dekker in the 200 IM, certainly, but he won’t compete with Heyboer.

      Does this mean Dekker won’t compete with Heyboer? Considering last year Heyboer went 1:53.39 with a flip (approximately a 1 second or more drop) and Dekker was 1:54 mid or low, i would say it should be a close race. Also, remember that Heyboer added a lot in finals and even with his flip, wouldn’t have been close to Waterstone or Dekker. It is far from a sure thing.

    • #29282
      Milhouse
      Member

      What is the K breaststroker’s real name? My guess is Alfonso Espinosa, but some people seem to be calling him Soriano, probably because of Washington Nationals leftfielder Alfonso Soriano (who was heckled as “Suckiano” at a game in Wrigley earlier this year…stupid, but strangely amusing). And now with the baseball connection going, I am reminded of a Yankees shortstop from the early 90’s named Alvaro Espinosa, so now I’m thinking this poor kid’s first name might be Alvaro and I’m now juggling four names in my head: Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano. Why don’t we throw in a de la Pena for good measure? OK, his name is now unofficially Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano de la Pena (with one of those ~ things above the “n” in Pena).

    • #29283
      maverick1
      Member

      if meizner can get back on track and swim a 2:03 in the 200 breast and a 56 in the 100 he’ll be tough

      fonzi will be tough also

      apparently we all love heyboer so much that we can will him to winning every swimming and diving event in the meet (vic stover style)

      krone is an miaa meet record holder and could have 2 A cuts

      if blohm returns, nobody comes close to alpha male

      waterstone could drop lots of time but i wouldn’t put him in the race right now

      dekker could use some more nat cuts to add to his resume, but could vie for the mvp

      if tim dehaan finds a way to swim his final year, he’ll be tough to beat, unless he got fat

      what does facenorth think?

    • #29284
      silentp
      Member

      @Milhouse wrote:

      What is the K breaststroker’s real name? My guess is Alfonso Espinosa, but some people seem to be calling him Soriano, probably because of Washington Nationals leftfielder Alfonso Soriano (who was heckled as “Suckiano” at a game in Wrigley earlier this year…stupid, but strangely amusing). And now with the baseball connection going, I am reminded of a Yankees shortstop from the early 90’s named Alvaro Espinosa, so now I’m thinking this poor kid’s first name might be Alvaro and I’m now juggling four names in my head: Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano. Why don’t we throw in a de la Pena for good measure? OK, his name is now unofficially Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano de la Pena (with one of those ~ things above the “n” in Pena).

      I am not sure the Cubs fan can heckle anyone other than the Pirates…. even the Royals could heckle them.

      Alfonso Espinosa is his name, but i like your idea better. Perhaps if he swims really fast we could add a Saint to the begining; making him Saint Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano de la Pena (with one of those ~ things above the “n” in Pena).

      Got off topic a bit however, but seems to happen quite a bit.

    • #29285

      @silentp wrote:

      I am not sure the Cubs fan can heckle anyone other than the Pirates…. even the Royals could heckle them.

      The words most frequently heard at PNC Park following the average game: “Nice stadium, though.”

      @silentp wrote:

      Alfonso Espinosa is his name, but i like your idea better. Perhaps if he swims really fast we could add a Saint to the begining; making him Saint Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano de la Pena (with one of those ~ things above the “n” in Pena).

      ¿¿San Alfonso Alvaro Espinosa Soriano de la Peña?? Now suppose, come time for the league meet, Ian Kobes is the announcer reading this name……

    • #29286
      silentp
      Member

      First of all, OutsideSmoker, great post, very amusing.

      Seconly i will address maverick:

      Facenorth is gone because he’s getting hitched. Congrats to him by the way.

      I think Meisner is being very underrated. I do not see him losing the 200 breast and a sophomore slump is very common, so i think he’ll come back and go 56-high (but not win) and 2:03 or 2:02 and dominate that.

      I am not sure if Fonzi swims the 200 breast or 100 free. I think he’ll win the 100 breast and could win the 50 free, but that 3rd event kills him. I think we’ll need to see if he lives up to the hype.

      Heyboer’s legend seems to grow with each passing day, and while he’s a great swimmer and a top recruit, he hasn’t done anything untouched and could end up with only 1 win, the 200 back. He could do the 100 back though, and that should be a win.

      Krone gets overlooked because he’s a distance swimmer. Imagine a sprinter’s worth if they took away the 100 free and the relays were only for the 200 and up. It is not fair. Give this guy a 1000 and he’s an easy 3 event winner.

      Dekker is still a long shot for me, at this point. His 200 fly would need to greatly improve and his 200 breast isn’t near good enough to swim with Meisner. He has a great 200 IM, but his 400 IM will need to greatly improve to have a shot at winning that even, considering the short training for our Oli-friend.

      I believe Dehaan’s 5 years are up, but perhaps not.

      Blohm will win an MVP next year, whether it be alumni meet or real meet.

    • #29287
      maverick1
      Member

      was there an alumni meet mvp from this past year that i can’t remember?

      kurtz and e. whitbeck swam well

    • #29288
      el radio
      Member

      Is Waterstone a dark horse? Or is that just stupid….

      If were not gonna consider KW as the dark horse, then who would be the dark horse coming into next year. My dark horse would have to be Ananta fetters. With the way he swam last year i dont see any reason for him to not keep it up going into his last year.

      Granted the 1 back might not be an event he could win due to engers, but now you are also bringing in heyboer who could take the 1 back just as well. but i think If he were to have a chance at getting mvp his best line up would be 1 fly 2 fly 1 back.

      Mind you I am only claiming fetters as my darkhorse, and never said he could win it, but you never know what can happen.

      Who else has some dark horses they can think of?

    • #29289
      silentp
      Member

      Hennigar. The kid is coming in with a very fast 100 free time and is not a small guy (from what i’ve seen). His 50 is quick and will improve as ZOO changes their sprinting. If he can come close or even win the 50 (longshot) and win the 100 (less of a longshot) then his 200 should be even better considering how he swims a 100. The 200 is a pretty open race, so you never know.

    • #29290
      TheAnswer
      Member

      Darkhorse — Hennigar is a talent, no doubt, but I think you are confusing him with someone else. I believe he is quite short, somewhere in the 5’9″ neighborhood. Ryan Nelis or John Toll are good darkhorses. Both unproven freshman swimming two of the more wide open events. I still don’t think it will happen because neither will likely win three events but both have the potential to sneak up in the flys.

      Mav — I think P got it right about Facenorth. He’s probably honeymooning by now.

      My vote goes to E Whitbeck as last year’s alumni MVP. Hands down. Kurtz swam breat but Whitbeck propelled K from start to finish.

      Both of these touted freshman keep getting faster and better before the season even starts. I can’t wait to see how fast you all make them by the time September gets here. Espinosa is down to a 55 already while the odds on favorite to win the National Title in the 100 Breast and Heyboer has A cuts coming out his ears. Let’s be serious people, both are great swimmers and there is reason to be excited about each. But….THEY HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING YET. I wish them both all the best, it’s great for the MIAA to get two of the top 10(?) recruits in the country. But that is on paper. They still need to perform. Fortunately for each of them, they have capable coaches.

    • #29291
      silentp
      Member

      @TheAnswer wrote:

      Darkhorse — Hennigar is a talent, no doubt, but I think you are confusing him with someone else. I believe he is quite short, somewhere in the 5’9″ neighborhood.

      Ah yes, i was informed of the error. Apparently if is the Pioneer flyer, not freestyler that’s a big guy. My bad! 😛

    • #29292
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @TheAnswer wrote:

      Mav — I think P got it right about Facenorth. He’s probably honeymooning by now.

      If you talk to him, tell him congrats from DonCheadle

    • #29293
      ajp
      Member

      I nominate (and as MIAA Alumni Meet Director am second to none) that Andrew Kurtz is Alumni MVP as he is the first person in MIAA history (alumni or otherwise) to beat Boss in a breastroke event. And then Yakked it all out after the relay.

      That said, di-no-mite performance by Whitbeck ranks just as high.

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