Rosters and froshies

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    • #11940
      Alterego
      Member

      Kalamazoo has posted theirs. Who is next to follow suit?

      As we suspected, a very very solid group for the K men.
      50.7 back
      LCM Senior Cut in the breast (56.29 is senior scy cut)
      47.3
      48.6
      16:48
      54.2 fly
      55 fly
      55 fly

      for the women:
      58 fly is very nice
      1:09 breast
      55 free
      55 free
      plus a couple more

    • #30239
      Derek
      Member

      Dang it’s nice to see a full roster!

    • #30240
      silentp
      Member

      We need more flyers… but in all seriousness, i am looking forward to having a full roster and actually having to make decisions on who gets to swim and who does not. i think that competition will help the team immediately. This is a solid class and i know 2 of the studs are intent on building this team up to former glory and beyond, so thats bodes well for the future of the program.

      I always wanted to see an article on the freshmen, which each one getting a small paragraph. I have wanted to see that since i was an incoming froshie.

    • #30241
      DonCheadle
      Member

      A couple of things about kzoo’s roster:

      Contreras actually swam the entire summer. He went an altitude adjusted 17:44 in the 1500, which is about what ou would expect from someone who is a 16:48 in the mile. He actually isn’t a pure distance swimmer. He went a 2:02 in the 200 back in season, and lead off his high school 200 medly in a 26.60. This guy is a pretty good backstroker. He also went a 1:49.1/4:55/10:01 at sectionals in the 200/500/1000. The 1000 time is pretty strong. He appears to be quite versitile and I can see him scoring well in all 3 events at league meet. He will probably be one of those guys who just tries to get in to the top heat of the 200 back in prelims, then swims the mile at night.

      Mueller also swam this summer. That is always a good sign.

    • #30242
      miller
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      We need more flyers… but in all seriousness, i am looking forward to having a full roster and actually having to make decisions on who gets to swim and who does not. i think that competition will help the team immediately. This is a solid class and i know 2 of the studs are intent on building this team up to former glory and beyond, so thats bodes well for the future of the program.

      I always wanted to see an article on the freshmen, which each one getting a small paragraph. I have wanted to see that since i was an incoming froshie.

      I used to write those when I was coaching.
      Why don’t you write them P? Nobody’s stopping you.
      You could do interviews at the alumni meet (or homecoming weekend) and then send it to Elston for use on k-swimming.org too.

    • #30243
      silentp
      Member

      @miller wrote:

      @silentp wrote:

      We need more flyers… but in all seriousness, i am looking forward to having a full roster and actually having to make decisions on who gets to swim and who does not. i think that competition will help the team immediately. This is a solid class and i know 2 of the studs are intent on building this team up to former glory and beyond, so thats bodes well for the future of the program.

      I always wanted to see an article on the freshmen, which each one getting a small paragraph. I have wanted to see that since i was an incoming froshie.

      I used to write those when I was coaching.
      Why don’t you write them P? Nobody’s stopping you.
      You could do interviews at the alumni meet (or homecoming weekend) and then send it to Elston for use on k-swimming.org too.

      Interviews, great idea! I will do it and you can’t stop me!

      You never wrote one about me 😥

    • #30244
      David Simms
      Member

      Hope is now the third team in the MIAA to post their roster. Thanks to K and Alma for already doing so.

      A little more on Hope’s class:
      Greer: 22.1
      Welsch: 22.2
      Collins: 55.1 back
      Ray: 4:52+
      Steve Kurti is confirmed
      A couple breaststrokers I couldn’t find much on. Tozer (d2 state cut but was DQed), Smith, and Gunderson
      Freshman from 6 different states — that is very unhopelike
      Freshman from their token feeders (Zeeland, Holland, West Ottawa, Holland Christian and now nearby Grandville all represented)

      Someone with time on their hands tell us what this class means.

    • #30245

      This class means (from what I hear) that the incoming class could contend for a win against the current class (sophomores through senior years). Meaning, if you combine the freshmen class with the sophomore – seniors…imagine the damage that can be done.

    • #30246
      stewie
      Member

      This class is very versatile. Plenty of strokers and of course lots of backstrokers with Ruch, Rose, Collins and Heyboer who are all frosh and 55 or below. For a change, Hope will not have a power house sprinter but they will have depth with CVB, Vogelzang, Rose, Glas, Holton and Kurti. Hope’s breast is still weak but King is a 59.6.

      This means Hope’s medley will be legit and have a chance at naty cuts. Hopefully, they won’t have a 200 medley consisting of all sprint freestylers. There 800 fr will also be strong with CVB, Gardner, Heyboer and most likely (and not mentions for his 200 fr) Nelis who was a 1:46 last yr untapered.

    • #30247
      SixBags
      Member

      Are there any divers on the horizon. I know Calvin lost Jack to modeling, but they’ve replaced him with some solid guys and two returners.
      Diving could change the outcome at conference. Just ask Hope.
      Most likely DG won’t post the roster until the first meet.
      This was a weak post, my bad. I should probably start something with stevo again. Next time

    • #30248

      I know Calvin lost Jack to modeling, but they’ve replaced him with some solid guys and two returners.

      I couldn’t sense any sarcasm with this statement but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt in that you meant sarcasm. If you didn’t…then I don’t have much else to say.

    • #30249
      The Treat
      Member

      @vazzy vazquez wrote:

      I know Calvin lost Jack to modeling, but they’ve replaced him with some solid guys and two returners.

      I couldn’t sense any sarcasm with this statement but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt in that you meant sarcasm. If you didn’t…then I don’t have much else to say.

      what did you have to say? i miss your avatar. i really do. got milk?

    • #30250
      silentp
      Member

      Hope’s class also means (in addition to all the other truths pointed out) that they will be able to knock several of those 7-12 guys from Olivet out of a second swim in hopes of defeating them this year.
      Olivet’s class may have something to “say” in response, but we don’t know for sure yet.

      Both Hope and Kzoo can now field potential b-cut relays with just freshmen, that’s very impressive.

    • #30251
      stiles
      Member

      I am confirming that Jack Ryfiack did drop out of Calvin move to NYC to pursue a modeling career. That is not a joke.

    • #30252
      Jabroni
      Member

      In response to Vazzy:

      I will go as far as to say that this year’s class of newcomers WOULD beat the retuners. I don’t really think it would be that close. The newcomers can pick and choose what events they want to win. Phil the Highlander Heyboer can win both IMs, both backs, 500, 1000, mile and the 2 breast. Maybe the 200 fly as well? The only person that could beat him in the 100 breast is fellow freshman BBKing. A freshman medley would easily take the cake AND they could likely do it without Heyboer. Throw Mitch Ruch’dem damn near killed’em (my poor effort to replace Lisa Ekdom’s nickname from last year) out front and there’s your 53. King over any returner on the breast, froshies have a faster flyer and their anchor has been 46 on a relay. Free up Heyboer for 3 individuals and it’s a done deal. When Kurt ‘I won’t be back’ Blohm decided not to swim he gave the go ahead to the freshman in the unrealistic dual meet. Not to mention the lack of Jake ‘there’s no’ Hoekstra on the roster. The freshman diver Hope has, whether he flops into the water or not, should be good enough for 18 in the pretend meet. I’m sorry, but how can no one notice that a defending MIAA Champ and provisional qualifier is not on the roster? I heard he was now at WMU. Anyone?

      On the Jack ‘Zoolander’ Ryfiak topic. Unfortuante for Calvin. Humerous for the rest of us though.

    • #30253
      Lane2AllStar
      Member

      look down

    • #30254
      Lane2AllStar
      Member

      @Jabroni wrote:

      In response to Vazzy:

      I’m sorry, but how can no one notice that a defending MIAA Champ and provisional qualifier is not on the roster? I heard he was now at WMU. Anyone?

      Who are you talking about?

    • #30255
      the bro
      Member

      Lane2, I think your answer can be found here:

      Not to mention the lack of Jake ‘there’s no’ Hoekstra on the roster.

      Hoekstra was the champ on the 3 meter and qualified for Nats. And, apparently, he may have transferred to Western.

    • #30256
      Lane2AllStar
      Member

      No hes still here. He might even get to dive later but hes too busy right now. But at the beginning of next semester he might be able to start up again.

    • #30257
      teemohtay
      Member

      Wow looks like Latham’s backstroking records won’t last very long, leaving him with only the legendary 400 medley. I heard one of those guys is now a stripper. Is that true?

      That says a lot for K’s teams in the early 2000’s, since when he left in ’99 his name was on the board something like 9 times.

    • #30258
      silentp
      Member

      I don’t believe any of the members of the 400 MR record are currently strippers…

      That record might not stand this year either and could mean Latham’s name would be off the board. The 200 back, however, may not be broken this year… all depends.

    • #30259
      teemohtay
      Member

      P – Do you really think that record will come down? I know nothing about nothing in terms of returning times, incoming times, who would swim what, etc., but it strikes me as odd that it withstood all those great teams a few years back only to be broken this year. I’d be interested to hear your reasoning.

    • #30260
      Mickey Mouse
      Member

      Wow looks like Latham’s backstroking records won’t last very long, leaving him with only the legendary 400 medley. I heard one of those guys is now a stripper. Is that true?

      That says a lot for K’s teams in the early 2000’s, since when he left in ’99 his name was on the board something like 9 times.

      and

      P – Do you really think that record will come down? I know nothing about nothing in terms of returning times, incoming times, who would swim what, etc., but it strikes me as odd that it withstood all those great teams a few years back only to be broken this year. I’d be interested to hear your reasoning.

      Do I sense a man crush?

    • #30261
      silentp
      Member

      @teemohtay wrote:

      P – Do you really think that record will come down? I know nothing about nothing in terms of returning times, incoming times, who would swim what, etc., but it strikes me as odd that it withstood all those great teams a few years back only to be broken this year. I’d be interested to hear your reasoning.

      I won’t talk about the man crush, although very funny post… here is my reasoning as why i think it should go down (although it very well may not)

      Ellis has been 50.7, so you have to figure he can duplicate that, mark him down for a 50.5

      Fonzi converts to a 56-low and all signs point to him actually putting forth a swim like this, maybe faster. With a relay start, that would translate to a 55-mid, assuming he doesn’t improve, so mark him down for a 55.5

      Butterfly doesn’t have 1 true stand out who we know will swim it, but Dekker is a very good flyer who could swim it this year and Greiner is an up and coming freshman who showed great speed and potential last year before getting IV-in-your-body sick, the week of states so i’d say we’ll see a time similar to what KJ split last year (which was a very impressive 51.1) so we’ll say 51.5 (52.0 at the very slowest)

      Freestyle will most likely see hennigar bringing it home (although Ben could certain make improvement and slip in here). Hennigar has been a 47.3 2 years ago and a 47-high this past season… you have to figure a guy bringing home the relay could at the very least (with a relay start) go a 47-mid to low… 47.0 does not seem like an “out there” time

      These times (50.5 + 55.5 + 51.5 + 47.0) would give K a 2:24.5 and would give them almost a second of leeway (sp?) if one or two of those times happened to be off a bit.

    • #30262
      teemohtay
      Member

      I believe it is National Coming Out Day. I guess I am feeling a bit frisky.

      Thanks for the analysis, P. It sort of assumes 4 lifetime bests in the same race so if I were a betting man (which I am), I would bet against it happening this year. But all those guys have a few years ahead of them, so it is exciting to consider the possibilities if they all put it together in one swim.

      p.s. I think Miller should be able to confirm the stripper comment, although I think this person only performs at weddings.

    • #30263
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @teemohtay wrote:

      p.s. I think Miller should be able to confirm the stripper comment, although I think this person only performs at weddings.

      All those dudes (save Latham) are dads. Sweet.

    • #30264
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Josh,

      your spelling of leeway was fine. However, check the math… I think that a 2:24.5 would give K more than a second of leeway for the School Record – I think it would probably give them quite a few seconds of leeway on the World record. Just a nitpicky observation, since I really have nothing better to do right now.

    • #30265
      silentp
      Member

      @iamdonovan wrote:

      Josh,

      your spelling of leeway was fine. However, check the math… I think that a 2:24.5 would give K more than a second of leeway for the School Record – I think it would probably give them quite a few seconds of leeway on the World record. Just a nitpicky observation, since I really have nothing better to do right now.

      ass… i always seem to do that though, my bad people

      Yes, it would be 4 lifetime best and i can easily see betting against it, but at the same time, none of the times are “out there” and most are what they have been before, meaning if one guy drops a second or so, then the others have even more leeway.

    • #30266
      miller
      Member

      I will confirm that one of the members of our 1996 400 Medley Relay strips at weddings.

      You’ve got a 1 in 3 chance of guessing who (because it sure as heck isn’t me).

      However, due to his need to keep his skills under wraps, as a moderator of this board, I”ll remove any attempts to guess (right or wrong).

    • #30267
      facenorth
      Member

      Calvin posted their roster. I haven’t had much time to look at it yet (which some of you may find hard to believe), just on the surface more than anything else.

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