Relay Meet Results

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    • #12019
      quacker
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      http://www.jenisonaquatics.org/MIAA/MIAAResults.htm

      Thoughts?

      Question: Was the 400 Yard Medley Relay a 4X100 IM relay?

    • #31219
      SwexasTim
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      Yes, quacker, yes it was…

    • #31220
      Tecmo
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      Well the meet season has officially started, with actual duels?/duals? starting next weekend. Unfortunately I couldn’t attend the meet, could y’all fill me in. Who looked good? Who swam fast? Anyone swim particularly well in terms of there own speed? What teams looks fast/slow? Anyone know who would have one had the meet been scored? I know I can look at the results be we all know that isn’t going to tell me everything. Basically what I am trying to say is,

      Dear D3 swimming,

      Please be my eyes and ears at the relay meet.

      Thanks,

      Tecmo

    • #31221
      Rooster
      Member

      Olivet swam great and Kalamazoo is for real.

      Ellis and Espinosa did not disappoint.

      Krone stepped up and posted a good in season time. Gardner and Jaffee were both well off their past in season even early in the year swims. Stone impressived in the 500 as well based on these splits.

      A whole year with Yury and Olivet is a lot to handle, for anyone. Olivet’s speed was very impressive. Their middle distance wasn’t far behind. Would anyone venture to say after seeing Stone and Busscher as well as how good Yury swam that they can and will be in the running for that 800 Free Relay at the end of the year?

      Where was Hope? The talk of the depth and talent of their freshman, I didn’t see a ton on those results.

      Alma present and with a decent backstroker.

      Calvin swam under the radar but had some nice swims as well.

      Nothing too surprising looking at these results. Olivet should clearly be favored over Hope next weekend. I will also take K over Albion and Calvin over Alma.

    • #31222
      silentp
      Member

      Ok, i attended the meet so while i haven’t been able to study the results, i saw them first hand. here are my thoughts

      albion – krone really showed up, unfortunately they just don’t have the guys for this team to be going places. I predict krone will make improvements over his freshman campaign, he was impressive. They have 0 depth from what i could see though.

      calvin – not much to say about calvin. they dissappointed me a bit, i thought they’d do better, but they weren’t bad either. we knew they could only compete for free, and that is confirmed, but even their free relays weren’t where i thought they’d be.

      hope – really tough for me to tell where they were since they didn’t stack relays. i am not sure why they didn’t, but the meet is just to see where people are at anyway. to know how they compared you’d have to find their 4 fastest splits and add them up. they do have depth, that is for sure, but we’ll see if the guys live up to the hype. hey boer split 25.7, which is solid and cvb split 21.7? which is very good.

      kalamazoo – first of all, this is the team i obviously paid the most and attention to and they got people’s attention winning the first 3 relays. they also have obviously changed training styles and decided to let their swimmers be fast at meets (i think it’s a good thing, but only time will tell). 24.6 by ellis was pretty amazing to see, fonsy must have had something happen on his start because he was a body length behind off of it in the 50 breast lead off, but came back to look very strong. he was also right there with the hope sprinter’s times for the 50. dekker is looking good right now. Julio shocked me and probably some other people. ellis’s 21.4 split in the 200 FR was nice to see. overall they looked good but are still missing some key components right now.

      olivet – unlike rooster i wasn’t as impressed by olivet. they are deep, sure, but they always swim pretty fast in season, so it wasn’t a big surprise to see them do what they did. yury is a straight up stud though, so i was very impressed by him. their 800 FR will for sure be in it, that was good.

      i’d give hope the edge next weekend and K a large edge over albion.

    • #31223
      Waldo
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      Silentp I didn’t swim any free. It must have been someone else that went 21.7.

      One thing i noticed at the meet was B. Jaffee’s swim in the progressive relay. He was out in a 49.34 and only slowed by about half a second on that 3rd 50. If he was pacing a 200 (which i know he wasnt) he would easily be running a 1:42, but for in season thats a hot swim. But mainly it looked nice, i think he could have a nice 200 this year. [/quote]

      Also bacons 100 time was nice 47.75 i think..

    • #31224
      facenorth
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      Waldo, I believe the results sheet is wrong and I want to say that Bylina was the person that swam the 150 on Olivet’s progressive relay. If he swam the 150 like a 150 (who knows how to swim a 150?) should be swum then a 1:42 might be a bit quick. I would be surprised if he wasn’t under 1:45 if he had swum the 200 on that relay though.

      Also, P, Meisner’s underwaters are rediculous. I remember seeing the same thing and thinking that something must have happened to Alfonso on the start (and that is possible) but I have seen Dustin swim a few times over the past couple years and I would take him over just about anyone in the country underwater. So while I was initially surprised to see that much of a gap when they broke, after I thought about it, it made more sense to me.

    • #31225
      silentp
      Member

      @facenorth wrote:

      Also, P, Meisner’s underwaters are rediculous. I remember seeing the same thing and thinking that something must have happened to Alfonso on the start (and that is possible) but I have seen Dustin swim a few times over the past couple years and I would take him over just about anyone in the country underwater. So while I was initially surprised to see that much of a gap when they broke, after I thought about it, it made more sense to me.

      No argument on his underwaters, but i talked to alfonso and he slipped on the start and kinda fell in. Meisner’s underwaters make his 200 breast so good.

      Sorry CVB, well someone had a good split, any split sub 22 right now is very good in my mind.

    • #31226
      Waldo
      Member

      I couldnt tell who it was on that third leg for sure, thanks for the info. Compared to other years does this seem pretty quick for in season times? Last year i remember times being alot slower… Are teams training a little different this year or was it the fact that it was a meet involving the whole conference in the pool where MIAAs will take place and people were pumped up? Someone mentioned K using a different method, is this true?

    • #31227
      Derek
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      As for K using a different method, I’d say in general, no. I think that they are still training as hard as ever, but notice that they were also not wearing drag suits. That indicates a different mentality about dual meets and I would say that the team was more ready to swim fast for this meet than they have been ever for a non-taper meet under Kathy’s tenure. No matter what, the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and I can’t wait until MIAAs in February. And for the first time in a long time, I’m excited for the dual meets!

    • #31228
      iamdonovan
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      When I first added up a few of the splits for some of the relays, I was well confused. It appeared that Paul Krone went 5:21, which made no sense. It wasn’t until I added up the last split on that relay that I realized that the names were out of sorts – so I’m guessing that it happened on a few other relays, as well.

      Several of the freshmen did very well in terms of their swimming – Stone’s 5:01 and Julio’s 4:59 stand out in particular, though 24.6, 26.5, and 21.49 are nothing to shake a stick at either.

      As far as Hope’s 200 free relay, it looked to me like (using splits from the 200 free relay only) they would’ve put together 1:30, 1:29, right in line with K and Olivet, so not a big surprise there. In all, it finally gives us something to talk about – and it gives me something to do besides hit up the pubs.

    • #31229
      Stingray
      Member

      Stone’s 5:01 was impressive, but it was also off a relay start, so you have to add a second or two.

      As for K’s training, it has been different. We didn’t swim mornings this week, and we didn’t do any killer practices at the end of the week. Officially, it was because Kathy has this new theory about Macro and Micro cycles that is way too new school for me, but it was nice to be able to get up and swim this weekend. And though the boys didn’t wear drag suits, the girls did because those suits weren’t in yet. The one suit thing as far as I know is not the result of a new attitude about meets, but because of heavy lobbying from the swimmers. Although the fact that we will be more competitive in meets this year may have helped.

    • #31230
      silentp
      Member

      I thought Micro and Macro were more related to economics, but what do i know (don’t answer that).

      I put together the best MR, since iamdonovan did the free relay:

      200 MR: 1:40.06, which is 2nd – includes the fastest fly split, nice swim by nelis

    • #31231
      swimkid4221
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      So Nelis split faster than a 23.6 in his fly?

    • #31232
      T-Bone
      Member

      @swimkid4221 wrote:

      So Nelis split faster than a 23.6 in his fly?

      Hope College-MI ‘D’ x1:45.23
      1) Mitch Ruch FR 2) Karl Hoesch SR
      3) Ryan Nelis FR 4) James Richardson FR
      27.04 31.75 23.33 23.11

    • #31233
      Alterego
      Member

      Swimkid,

      I’m not sure if you saw the first post of this thread but it did include a link to the results. If you clicked on it you would see that Nelis was 23.33 in the fly on Hope’s ‘D’ medley.

    • #31234
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Hope’s best 200 medley was
      25.75 Heyboer
      27.94 Waterstone
      23.33 Nelis
      22.13 Holton 22.83-.7
      1:39.15

      Kzoo can put together a 1:37.18 with Dmitruk’s 200 FR split

      The relay will be closer than that a league meet, that is for sure. But it is all we have to go by right now…

      Jethro Tull must have alot of endurance because a 25.0 in the 50 fly is quite slow.

      I kind of object to not fielding your best A relay. If the meet really just doesn’t matter, then don’t hold the meet in the first place.

    • #31235
      T-Bone
      Member

      I did the rest of Hope’s relays using their 4 best splits from each event and it doesn’t look like they would have placed a lot better in most events. Here are the “new” times I came up with along with the swimmers used and what place they would have moved up to:

      200 Medley: 1:40.07 Heyboer, King, Nelis, Osterbur (3rd to 2nd)

      200 Back: 1:43.93 Engers, Kurti, Reznich, Collins (remained 3rd)

      200 Breast: 1:54.94 King, Waterstone, O’Brien, Vogelzang (remained 3rd)

      500 Progressive 4:23.81 Holton, Collins, Nelis, Ray (5th to 2nd)

      200 Fly: 1:39.24 Waterstone, Engers, Heyboer, Vanderbroek (T3rd to 3rd)

      4×100 IM 3:42.74 Heyboer, Nelis, Waterstone, Collins (3rd to 1st)

      I didn’t bother adding up 1500 relay times.

    • #31236
      silentp
      Member

      Was anyone surprised (good or bad) by any of the times at the meet? I was surprised K won the backstroke relay, because we will probably only have 1 guy in the event at MIAAs.

    • #31237
      iamdonovan
      Member

      The backstroke relay was a bit surprising, for exactly that reason, P. I also found that the lack of some names was surprising (Garlow and the Yooper, to name two).

      Also, if you take Bylina’s 26.71 from the Backstroke relay (leadoff), Olivet still holds second place, and even drops about .8 seconds. But then, that’d be using a time from another relay, which is more work than I feel like doing right now.

    • #31238
      Stingray
      Member

      I was surprised that Alma’s 1500 relay was third. Though it wasn’t that fast (I’m too lazy to add up the splits, but the average was 5:13 per guy) I don’t recall Alma having anyone in that neighborhood last year. Did they and I just missed it? Also, why does their relay have four names?

    • #31239
      Snoop-a-loop
      Member

      Alma had like 6 guys swimming that event, they also had two guys swimming the same leg of the relay at one point. Apparently they were trying to speed up the race by drafting. I’m not sure but apparently it paid off.

    • #31240
      stewie
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      Alma’s 1500 was amusing and confusing. I don’t know if this strategy will work for the rest of season, time will tell.

      Also, a lot of times seemed extremely fast for this time of year. I don’t know if this was contributed to more talent, off season training, or an easy week of practice, but many individuals seemed to perform well. In particular, Olivet and K swam great times. On the other hand, Calvin, Hope and Albion were average. These are some standouts compared to last yr’s first meet performances…

      Olivet
      Powers- 21.6 this yr, 22.2 last yr against Hope (both splits)
      Meisner- 27.0 this yr, 27.9 last yr against Hope (both splits)
      Voss- 22.59 this yr lead off, 22.8 split last yr against Hope

      Albion
      Gunderson- 22.7 this yr, 23.8 last year against K (both open)

      K
      Parker- 22.9 split this yr, 54.55 100 fr last yr against Albion

      Hope
      Osterbur- 22.8 split this yr, 23.8 last yr split against Olivet

      I couldn’t find much else due to lack of results/splits from last yr’s first duals but I’m sure there are more. Also, I don’t know what kind of times Ellis swam at the beginning of last yr but 21.4 and 24.6 (back) are pretty impressive.

    • #31241
      Derek
      Member

      Being that I don’t actually see the team train or anything, I can’t really speak for Parker, but word is that he is showing significant improvement. He’s a guy to watch over his 4 years for some really impressive improvement… and if he has his way, I think he’ll be a guy to watch this year.

    • #31242
      silentp
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      Hope’s best 200 medley was
      25.75 Heyboer
      27.94 Waterstone
      23.33 Nelis
      22.13 Holton 22.83-.7
      1:39.15

      Kzoo can put together a 1:37.18 with Dmitruk’s 200 FR split

      The relay will be closer than that a league meet, that is for sure. But it is all we have to go by right now…

      I thought this was interesting because i rememebred this post and the difference was actually almost the exact same,
      Relay Meet: 1.97
      MIAA’s: 2.03

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