Relay Meet

http://apps.carleton.edu/athletics/assets/Relay_Meet_2007.htm

The 300 free relay is actually 8 guys, 4 25s and 4 50s. My guess is that 20.2 is two of the 25 splits.

Not sure how reliable these splits are, but for the animals relay, 200 fly, 400im, 500 free it looks like Olaf’s guy anchored in 4:46.01. That’s a heck of a swim.

That I am not sure about, but looking at the results it would appear that teams can do it in whatever order they want. I will ask around and see what I can find out.

The relays can be done in any order. Carleton did their 300s as 4 25s then 4 50s. Marschall did split a 9.6 on his 25 from a deck start.

The Olaf frosh had a phenomenal 500 (at the end – all teams did this one as a 2 fly, 4 IM, and 500 free). He went a 4:46 – pretty impressive win as he ran down the knights by over a 50.

Solid 200 Fly from the knight frosh Kilgour – 2:05.

Also I am pretty sure the GAC men did the last 50 of their 300 relay as 2 25’s.

@Rustie Gustie wrote:

What about the 400 MR? This was swum the correct way, wasn’t it? If it was, then the times could be put into the Top Times database on the site. I didn’t want to enter them until I know the relay was swam legitimately.

Look at the splits… I am pretty sure this is a 4 x 100 IM relay. Unless you think Westby split a 53.0 on the breast, and GAC had a guy split 56.

It is 4 x 100 IM.

I decided to check out the meet, and it felt like I was attending a seizure… Swimmers everywhere, guys and girls in relays together, cats living with dogs, it was like a scene out of War of the Worlds.

I stayed for an hour and a half and then had to go decompress at the Reub with Speedo Mini-Chub and a Bloody Mary.

I did stay long enough to watch Westby lead off the breast stroke relay in a 58… I think it may have been an A cut, but I don’t know the cuts, or if they count for leadoffs in a relay where other people are doing 50s (he beat all the guys doing 50s obviously).

Some other random notes:
-Nick Frost is REALLY tall… like 6’9″.
-Some dude on St. Mary’s has some wicked-sweet tats all over his arm.
-It took a 5 minute debate with Mini-Chub, and then looking at these results to figure out that SJU and St. Bens were not at the meet… it was crazy.
-Some chicks team has really cool swim caps that looks like a sea-horse jumping through a flame. I think it is SMU. I thought it was CSB the whole time.

I would think that they could take a lead-off swim and get an official split, given that there were officials observing and they were using the timing system. It doesn’t matter what happens after the lead-off swim. The 2nd through the 4th swimmer can get DQ’d and the split will still be official. In the past, they’ve always had an official split slip but now it’s just included in the results. I suppose it’s always a good idea to fill out the slip so that all the bases are covered.

Honestly, it doesn’t really matter whether he split was official. Does anybody really think that his going to nationals will depend on this race? I guarentee that he will go a lot fast at some point this season before nationals.

@lirpa wrote:

Not sure how reliable these splits are, but for the animals relay, 200 fly, 400im, 500 free it looks like Olaf’s guy anchored in 4:46.01. That’s a heck of a swim.

The Olaf Freshman is Chris Bateman. He was a 4:38 in HS. 4:46 sounds like he trained over the summer. I’d say he’s an upgrade over Anderson and probably a threat to Skylar, but not Stewart or Hanson.

Did Bateman swim anything else? I picked him at the top of the second round on his 500 time alone. If he has another stroke, it would be a huge bonus for me.

Wow! Chris Bateman is fast. He did a 1:44 200 free (converted) when he was 15. Looks like he did a 22. and a 50. when he was 16, plus a 1:05 100 breast. He might find his way onto 3 relays.

@Rustie Gustie wrote:

@Mac of the MIAC wrote:

Did Bateman swim anything else? I picked him at the top of the second round on his 500 time alone. If he has another stroke, it would be a huge bonus for me.

I can’t say anything about what he swam at the relay meet because I wasn’t there, but looking at Illinois State and Section meet results for the previous 3 years he only ever swam the 500 at either meet.

However, using the USS swim times database I was able to find something for you. I don’t know how helpful it will be since it only covers ages 15 and 16, but I figure it’s better than nothing.

Stroke	Course	Age	Time	Alt Adj Time	Power Points	Standard	Meet	Meet Date

50 FR	SCY	16	26.13	26.13	371	"BB"	2005 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off	10/21/2005

50 FR	SCY	15	27.13	27.13	346	"BB"	2005 IL Chicagoland Gold Conference 	2/20/2005

50 FR	SCY	15	27.87	27.87	289	"B"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

50 FR	SCY	15	28.52	28.52	241	"B"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

100 FR	SCY	15	58.66	58.66	316	"BB"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

100 FR	SCY	15	59.02	59.02	303	"BB"	2005 IL Chicagoland Gold Conference 	2/20/2005

100 FR	SCY	15	59.65	59.65	280	"BB"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

200 FR	SCY	15	2:00.64	2:00.64	421	"A"	2005 IL FOX-ISI Reg Champs	2/25/2005

200 FR	SCY	15	2:06.05	2:06.05	319	"BB"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

200 FR	SCY	15	2:13.14	2:13.14	203	"B"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

500 FR	SCY	17	4:38.96	4:38.96	737	"AAA"	2007 IL IHSA Boys State	2/23/2007

500 FR	SCY	15	5:17.71	5:17.71	466	"A"	2005 IL FOX-ISI Reg Champs	2/25/2005

500 FR	SCY	15	5:47.69	5:47.69	259	"BB"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

50 BK	SCY	15	33.51r	33.51	1	 	2005 IL Chicagoland Gold Conference 	2/20/2005

100 BK	SCY	15	1:10.59	1:10.59	158	"B"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

100 BK	SCY	15	1:11.14	1:11.14	143	"B"	2005 IL Chicagoland Gold Conference 	2/20/2005

200 BK	SCY	16	2:24.69	2:24.69	216	"B"	2005 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off	10/21/2005

200 BK	SCY	15	2:40.44	2:40.44	73	"All Times"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

100 BR	SCY	15	1:17.97	1:17.97	208	"B"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

100 FL	SCY	15	1:20.67	1:20.67	1	"All Times"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

200 IM	SCY	16	2:23.43	2:23.43	244	"BB"	2005 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off	10/21/2005

200 IM	SCY	15	2:29.28	2:29.28	198	"B"	2004 IN WTSC Holiday Champs	11/19/2004

200 IM	SCY	15	2:38.73	2:38.73	90	"All Times"	2004 IL TYR Midwestern Kick-Off 	10/15/2004

@Mac of the MIAC wrote:

Wow! Chris Bateman is fast. He did a 1:44 200 free (converted) when he was 15. Looks like he did a 22. and a 50. when he was 16, plus a 1:05 100 breast. He might find his way onto 3 relays.

Those are all SCY times. No conversion necessary.

I see that, now. Thanks. But these times do not make sense in SCY. If he’s a 4:38 in the 500 free at age 17, no way is he a 26 in the 50 free at age 16. A 26 in the 50 free is a bad SCY time for a 12 year old. Either he learned how to do flipturns at age 17, or these times are in meters.

@silentp wrote:

@Mac of the MIAC wrote:

Wow! Chris Bateman is fast. He did a 1:44 200 free (converted) when he was 15. Looks like he did a 22. and a 50. when he was 16, plus a 1:05 100 breast. He might find his way onto 3 relays.

Those are all SCY times. No conversion necessary.

Mac-

I was thinking the same thing, these times are really slow. But, the power points indicate that they are correct and the dates of the swims are during the short course USS season. He must not have competed is USS the last couple of years and somehow he really progressed well. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/swb/2006-07/swb42395.htm

Sectional results. He dropped 8 seconds to go his 4:40 (eventually he went 4:38 at state) but couldn’t even finish top 6 in the 200 free, which took a 1:47.28. He might turn out to be a great 1650 recruit.

I am assuming that was Westby leading off the 300 breaststroke relay in 58 low. Pretty good. But I am not surprised the guy swims fast at all times.

The power points are determined based on a scale from 1-1100 points, with 800 points being the National Reportable Time Standard. USA Swimming uses an algorithm that is slightly adjusted for each age level, meaning a 500 point swim at age 13 is equal in quality to a 500 point swim at age 18. Bottom line, many of Bateman’s swims were in the 300 point range. Chapel Partner could still manage that.

Thanks Wonderboy, but unless swimming like a 27 50 free with an open turn would get me 300 points, I doubt I could hang with the 13 year old version of Bateman.

And no RG, I was not a fine athlete in my day, I’m a fine athlete now. Just check my softball stats. I’m like the Westby of amateur adult athletics.

Sorry Chapel Partner, you’d have to go 26.48 at your age. Open turn granted.[/quote]

Bateman can swim the mile this weekend at the Cows, Colleges, Contentment Classic – not going to have a mid-season taper time but he should swim it regardless.

yea…its at Olaf on saturday.
Carleton, St. Johns, St. Bens, and UW LaCrosse swim. All events are swum (except only 1 or 2 real relays – one med and one free) – pretty much the longest day ever. Apparently Macalester is coming this year too.

Is this at Carleton?

@LittleB wrote:

yea…its at Olaf on saturday.
Carleton, St. Johns, St. Bens, and UW LaCrosse swim. All events are swum (except only 1 or 2 real relays – one med and one free) – pretty much the longest day ever. Apparently Macalester is coming this year too.