Relay Meet

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    • #12008
      stewie
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      Any chance we could talk about the relay meet this weekend. Obviously, some or all teams will not put in their best possible lineups. But I’d still like to know who will probably win what. Also, if a team where to put their best four guys on a relay who would they be…and what teams would win what relays if they used their best. Just a thought.

      In short,here are some of the MIAAs best, I believe…

      Hope- best back relay
      Engers
      Ruch
      Rose/Collins
      Heyboer

      K- best med
      Ellis
      Espinosa
      Dekker
      Henniger

      OC- best breast
      Meisner
      Guins
      Yury
      ?

      Cal- best fly
      JBG
      Tole
      ?
      ?

      Albion- best 500 relay
      Gunderson
      Bacon
      Krone
      Bacon

      Alma- best corkscrew relay

    • #31100
      Rooster
      Member

      Stewie,

      Olivet’s best breast relay would also include Ryan Key. Not quite sure how you leave a 59 off of that relay or how you forget about him.

      Additionally, Kalamazoo would challenge Calvin in a fly relay with their depth. Stud in Ellis plus Entwistle, Groth and Greiner. Calvin would likely have Boumgardner, Toll, Tuuk and Conrad. It’d be a great race to watch if everyone were rested.

      It’s good you gave Bacon a 150 to rest in the progressive relay (that is about what he had between the 100 fly and 200 free last year (coughidiotcough) so he should be used to that) Keep an eye out for Resseguie, Boumgardener, Toll and Tuuk.

      The distance relay (I am assuming 1500 free relay) could be close with Bacon, Krone and their new rookie. I think only Heyboer, Gardner and ? could challenge them.

      I have a difficult time seeing Calvin lose a free relay if they put it together.

      Would it be possible to get an order of events up here? It would be a lot easier to predict things if we knew what the events were. Calvin takes the 800 Free if they want it as well. Not a doubt in my mind at this point in the season.

    • #31101
      silentp
      Member

      Usually stroke relays are 150s or 300s, meaning they only need 3 swimmers. I would take K’s breast relay over Olivet’s if both teams were evenly rested, but as history says, you have to give Olivet the edge, even without Guins.
      3 guys also makes it harder for K to keep up with Calvin in the fly and gives Hope a good shot, so here is my order of finish in a few relays assuming the 150s or 300s:

      Fly:
      Hope
      Calvin
      K

      Breast:
      K
      Olivet
      Hope

      1500 (3 x 500):
      Hope
      Albion
      Olivet

      Back:
      Hope
      Olivet
      K

      3 x 100IM:
      Hope
      K
      Olivet

      MRs:
      K
      Olivet
      Hope

      200/400 FR:
      Hope
      Olivet
      K

      800 FR:
      Calvin
      Hope
      Olivet
      Albion

    • #31102
      Rooster
      Member

      That great and all silentp but everyone can’t put their best lineup together every relay. Like I said before, teams will probalby have to pick and choose the events that they want to win and go after them.

      If you’re Albion you go after an 800 Free or 1500 Relay.

      If you’re Hope you throw your eggs into the backstroke basket.

      Calvin should take on the fly or progressive relay.

      Kalamazoo the fly, medley or breast relays.

      Olivet, breast, fly or 800 Free relay.

      After rereading this we’d have some great fly relay matchups.

      Olivet: Yury, Koji, Fetters and Meisner
      Calvin: Boumgardner, Tuuk, Conrad and Toll
      Kalamazoo: Entwistle, Groth, Greiner and Ellis

      I would predict if those 12 squared off in that event that would be the order of finish.

      Olivet will be difficult to handle in this meet for the rest of the league.

    • #31103
      silentp
      Member

      @Rooster wrote:

      That great and all silentp but everyone can’t put their best lineup together every relay. Like I said before, teams will probalby have to pick and choose the events that they want to win and go after them.

      If you’re Albion you go after an 800 Free or 1500 Relay.

      If you’re Hope you throw your eggs into the backstroke basket.

      Calvin should take on the fly or progressive relay.

      Kalamazoo the fly, medley or breast relays.

      Olivet, breast, fly or 800 Free relay.

      After rereading this we’d have some great fly relay matchups.

      Olivet: Yury, Koji, Fetters and Meisner
      Calvin: Boumgardner, Tuuk, Conrad and Toll
      Kalamazoo: Entwistle, Groth, Greiner and Ellis

      I would predict if those 12 squared off in that event that would be the order of finish.

      Olivet will be difficult to handle in this meet for the rest of the league.

      I DID take that into consideration when making my picks without knowing an order of events. You are leaving off Hope in the fly, they could win the event.
      This is being done based on the NCAC relay, so if you want relays and order, that’d be a great place to look.

    • #31104
      Rooster
      Member

      blah blah blah

    • #31105
      stewie
      Member

      I think this is the order of events…

      2 med
      2 back
      2 breast
      500 free
      2 fly
      1500 free (3×500)
      4 IM
      2 free

    • #31106
      TheDon
      Member

      Way back when when we last had the MIAA relays (late 70’s) we had 300 stroke relays….3 x 100. The IM relay was also 3 x 100.

      There was the 500 crescendo relay…50, 100, 150, 200..though I don’t recall the order.

      Otherwise the normal freestyle and medley relays were in play. Don’t recall if there was a 1500 relay. I’ll have to consult the archives.

    • #31107
      silentp
      Member

      If this order is correct, it’d be interesting to see if K would go for the 200 FR or the 400 IM relay… i’d go for the IM relay, but since the 200 FR is a “real relay”, i could see the point being made to put the eggs in that basket.

    • #31108
      TheDon
      Member

      After consulting the archives we actually had the relays all four of my years (77-80). And I did swim the 3 x 500 relay a few times. But I will never tell the time….. Anyway the order of events was

      3 x 100 Butterfly
      3 x 100 Back
      3 x 100 Breast
      4 x 200 Free
      1 meter diving (1 diver doing 6 dives to be combined with later 3 meter effort of another diver)
      50, 100, 150, 200 crescendo (500 free relay)
      4 x 100 Medley
      4 x 50 free
      3 x 500 free
      3 meter diving (1 diver doing 6 dives to be combined with previous 1 meter effort of another diver)
      3 x 100 IM
      4 x 100 free

      Notice no sprint medley. Of course it was not a regulation event back then. And we did not have the 4 x 200 free in the league meet so this was one of the only times to swim it but we never made a cut that early in the year. We always had to add up flat starts to make the cut.

      Personally I prefer the 3 x 100 format rather than the 4 x 50 for the strokes.

    • #31109
      ajp
      Member

      That’s the official relay meet format that’s in the NCAA book, but we’re throwing it a bit different this weekend.

      Should be fun.

    • #31110
      Derek
      Member

      Is there an alumni 4 x 1/5th relay?

    • #31111
      miller
      Member

      @TheDon wrote:

      Way back when when we last had the MIAA relays (late 70’s) we had 300 stroke relays….3 x 100. The IM relay was also 3 x 100.

      There was the 500 crescendo relay…50, 100, 150, 200..though I don’t recall the order.

      Otherwise the normal freestyle and medley relays were in play. Don’t recall if there was a 1500 relay. I’ll have to consult the archives.

      We had the MIAA relays in 1993 and 1994 as well.

      They were cancelled after the 1994 season, after which K and Hope held “Time Trial” meets for a few years before cancelling those too.

    • #31112
      T-Bone
      Member

      @Derek wrote:

      Is there an alumni 4 x 1/5th relay?

      Or maybe an alumni case race?

    • #31113
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Something that I absolutely love about Uni swimming here is that first, no event is longer than 100m. Another thing that I love is that somehow, the Uni teams manage to combine both aspects that have been discussed (that is, the alumni 4×1/5th relay and the actual swimming part). Since both teams go out after the meets, which take around 45 min, there’s a chance to win back some honor in the form of the boat race, or the dirty pint race, if you’ve been drubbed in the pool.

      Of course, if you’re a bunch of wingy b****** like Edinburgh or Stirling, you can’t be bothered to stick around after the match for very long, or you can’t put together a full team for the boat race. In which case, you still get beaten, even when one of your guys is drinking cranberry juice. Go figure.

      Back to related issues, I’m well excited to see the results of this weekend’s meet – will the results be posted on d3?

    • #31114
      Stevo
      Member

      After talking with my sources i have found that K, calvin, and olivet have all put together a lot of their relays. Medleys, Fly relay, progessive, while hope does not have a single stacked relay. It will be interesting to see how guys race this time of year. There should be some great races between k, C, and O.

    • #31115
      silentp
      Member

      They will also not be scoring the meet as Coach Kathy was the only MIAA coach who wanted the meet scored.

    • #31116
      Stevo
      Member

      They will also not be scoring the meet as Coach Kathy was the only MIAA coach who wanted the meet scored.

      Thats that bullshit….who wants to swim in a meet that isn’t scored? Even though it wouldn’t really mean a whole lot, it’s like a glorified intra-squad meet.

    • #31117

      SilentP,

      I am thouroughly enjoying that Quayle quotation. I also like “Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.”

      Bushisms are always funny but not nearly as funny as anything Jim Traficant said (google him). The difference is that his humor was intentional and full of lunacy.

    • #31118
      silentp
      Member

      Captain Insano,

      Great call on Jim Traficant, very funny quotes that are even better when their timing and placement are taken into consideration. He’s basically epidemy of not caring what people think, here are a couple of my favorites:

      “If you don’t get those cameras out of my face, I’m gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that’ll clear this room!” — Traficant to photojournalists covering his House ethics subcommittee hearing.

      “I apologize to the committee. If I had known, I would be here. I was on other media broadcasts trying to demean you and everybody else.” — Traficant to the committee after showing up for the hearing an hour late. He later told the committee he was just joking.

    • #31119
      DonCheadle
      Member

      He also called the IRS porno-watchers.

    • #31120

      I met Traficant in D.C. when I was a congressional page. I got a picture with him; he told me to “smile and say Penthouse the Magazine.” I remember every morning the pages would wake up and take bets on the first stupid mannerism we would see out of him during his completely futile one-minute speeches. The guy used to hang his laundry out to dry in his office (he slept there too).

      And no, Foley did not text me. It does make me really curious though because supposedly that happened around the time I was in DC. Maybe somebody I know??

      Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with swimming but I am too fond of these memories not to mention them.

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