Recruits (compilation of Pfau and Groth)

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    • #12318
      Low Tide
      Member

      Hey Robbins,

      Alright, I am not really excited about this group because I feel we obviously need freestylers and Mike and I think we need about 6 or so guys who will score in 3 events, with a shot at a top 6 score for each of them, to be contenders next year. This is how it looks right now though:

      These guys are about 90% or so on K, so they are the guys we just need to finally close and get them to say yes,

      Mike Harden – 21.7, 47-high, has split 21.1, he’s from Lansing , loves K and when the Hope assistant coach called him, he sounded excited about K. Hope probably doesn’t have a shot, but he applied and will get solid aid from us, his other choice is MSU, where his dad is a prof, but the kid joke’s about the academics there, loves our study abroad and doesn’t like that swimming is put before academics at State.

      Brian Buzzard – 22.2, 48-mid, he never initially returned our recruiting info but applied on his own, got in, is smart and we are his first choice… we are now recruiting him and have a good shot.

      Some backstroker dude – some 55 backstroker that we have a very good shot at I guess, but I know nothing else

      Scott Pepper – He’s a 1:47 in the 200 (around 4:50 in the 5), but he’s already been 1:48 this year, so the kid has potential. He’s also 6’7 or something huge. If he gets in, he’s coming, or so he says.

      Diver – he dives and made D1 state, so that’s nice

      Craig – I don’t know if that’s a first name or a last name but he’s from Indiana and goes a 48 in the 100 free.

      Groth’s friend – he’s a 5:00 in the 500 and been 5:10 so far this year. The kid sucks, but who knows, if he goes a 4:50 he makes us points.

      There are other guys who are looking, but not as close to saying yes as those guys. These guys need some work, but haven’t said no yet, we just aren’t sure or aren’t as positive about them yet:

      Chabot – OLY swimmer like Dekker. Doesn’t have 1 event he’s a stud in but is for sure a great distance pick up. He can swim back, fly, distance free and IM. Denison is looking strong at him, and we usually lose to them (or have in the past 5 years), so this will be tough.

      Cali-kid – I think his name is Sean, but I’m not sure. 52 fly, 21-something in the 50, 54 backstroker. The kid can do anything and would probably be on the 200 MR next year but is looking at us and the rest of his schools are in Cali , so that makes it tough. He’s coming for a visit in April with his mom.

      Latino – there are 2 friends of Julio’s that are applying, but only 1 has so far. The 1 that has is named Ruben and is a 47 in the 100, he is, however, about the same size as Julio (very small). He is going to need a lot of financial help, but he’s Mexican, so he’ll get tons of money for that, Julio got 16,000, not counting academic scholarships. Julio says he’ll come if money is right, but he still hasn’t visited. He’d be the sleeper in this class and be huge for us.

      Pat Berg – Brother Rice kid, which we haven’t gotten much of lately because they haven’t had much for us (they have a lot of good juniors looking at us already though). He’s a 4:42, 1:44 guy, but dumb. His GPA is around 3.0 and his test scores were ok, but a 24, which is what I think he scored, won’t really help pull him along with that GPA. He got wait listed at State, so we’re in trouble, but if we got him in, we’d have a very good chance… could he stay eligible? I don’t know.

      Pioneer kid – last year was his first year swimming and he was 22.4, but also a 55 in the 100. “potential” is the term to use for him. No clue on how much he is looking at us, but we’re the only one’s recruiting him. He’s been a 22 already this season, or so I am told.

      There were some other guys, but I don’t remember who, some solid like 1:01 breastroker types, nothing to get excited about and are semi-long shots.

      We lost our stud recruit to either Michigan or Duke, he was a 15:40 miler, 4:36 in the 500 and 1:54 in the 200 back, so that sucks, he did apply though so I guess it’s a fall back to us if the others didn’t pan out.

      There ya go, and this info came from Groth.

      Josh Pfau

    • #35003
      Low Tide
      Member

      This is from Groth:

      Hey Robbins, Pfau fowarded me the email that you sent him. I think Josh did a sub-par job of describing the recruits…

      I know what you’re saying about Harden and money. He can get half off tuition at State bc of his dad. Yet, he’ll also get a TON of money from us bc he’s got grade grades/test scores/and a huge list of extracirriculars. AND when he came up to our meet, we talked and he seemed very negative about State. He said he didn’t like how academics were 2nd to swimming. He really likes the idea of studying abroad and NOT missing his season. I also think he likes the idea of possibly being on a relay that could win nationals… However, he is interested in education and at the moment, K doesn’t have a program! I think we’ve got him set on the idea that he he can come here and get a degree in whatever he wants (English) and then go to U of M (a school he really likes) and get a masters in education in a year.

      Brian BAZZELL (not buzzard) was just thrown into the mix a few weeks ago. I don’t know much about him besides that he was already very interested in K before we got a hold on him.

      Steve Brower is the 55 backstroker (in-season). He came up in the fall. He is really quiet, but can add to our depth. It’s us or Alma….I would hope this kid can make an easy decision

      Pepper should be finding out today if he gets in here or not. We’ve been on this kid all year and I’d be very shocked if he didn’t come if he gets accepted.

      Alex Arbour (Diver) is actually up on campus today taking a scholarship test. I’ve been talking to him since the beginning on August. I’m 99% sure he’ll come here. Having a diver will help a lot…

      Matt Suszan (my friend) has been 5:03 and 1:50 already this year (in season). He’ll keep improving and I look to see him under both the 5:00 and 1:50 barriers after tapering. It’s more depth…

      Craig Flemming (he’s from MI) is very interested in K and really had a good time on his recruiting trip. This is only his 3rd year of swimming and he’s been 22.2 and 48. I think he’ll be a really good addition to the team, if he comes.

      Chabot, Pfau summed it up well

      Sean Robbins (Cali-Kid) is really interested in our program. I’ve talked to him multiple times and according to Steve, “he almost knows more about K-swimming than I do” The kid is coming up in April and I’m praying that he’ll like it here. He sounds conviced in on the phone, but you never know.

      Berg and the Latinos….they are wild cards.

      Pfau left off Rick Kinsey. He’s another Scott Pepper and has been 4:50/1:48 already this year. It’s between us and State and money might be an issue. He’s up here today taking 2 scholarship exams.

      He also left of Ben Hubbard. I think this is the “pioneer” kid that Pfau was talking about. He goes to Ann Arbor Huron and this is only his 2nd year of swimming. His brother goes here and plays tennis and if he likes his recruit trip (in a week) he’ll come. The kid is an athlete according to Greiner and it appears that way bc he’s been 22.3 in his first year of swimming…

      There are a few other guys (some breaststrokes and another 22 sprinter), but I don’t have a lot of info on them.

      What are your thoughts? If you have advice, I would like to hear it.

      Kevin

    • #35004
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      I know what you’re saying about Harden and money. He can get half off tuition at State bc of his dad. Yet, he’ll also get a TON of money from us bc he’s got grade grades/test scores/and a huge list of extracirriculars. AND when he came up to our meet, we talked and he seemed very negative about State. He said he didn’t like how academics were 2nd to swimming. He really likes the idea of studying abroad and NOT missing his season. I also think he likes the idea of possibly being on a relay that could win nationals… However, he is interested in education and at the moment, K doesn’t have a program! I think we’ve got him set on the idea that he he can come here and get a degree in whatever he wants (English) and then go to U of M (a school he really likes) and get a masters in education in a year.

      Tell him about me. Bring up the TFA option. Teach For America is currently expanding. I’m getting a FREE master’s in education.

    • #35005
      maverick1
      Member

      you could also talk to the kid about the differences between getting a degree in education and say going on to become a high school teacher. maybe try and feel out what he wants to teach and what makes him think he would enjoy teaching? we do have a good group of profs in the sociology, anthropology and psychology dept and you could easily take those and spend a short period of time getting his masters in education.

    • #35006
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Sean Robbins (Cali-Kid) is really interested in our program. I’ve talked to him multiple times and according to Steve, “he almost knows more about K-swimming than I do” The kid is coming up in April and I’m praying that he’ll like it here. He sounds conviced in on the phone, but you never know.

      I’m not sure it is good that a recruit knows more than Steve, but I’ll let that slide… where is he from in California? I might have connections, you never know.

    • #35007
      Low Tide
      Member

      Tell him about me. Bring up the TFA option. Teach For America is currently expanding. I’m getting a FREE master’s in education.

      I did use your name for Groth regarding that, hopefully this forum will also serve as a means of getting the appropriate letters and/or phone calls from alumni in the recruits’ area of interest.

      Work on a letter!

      … and what makes him think he would enjoy teaching?

      “Dude! Why would you want to be some queer teacher???” 😈

    • #35008
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      … and what makes him think he would enjoy teaching?

      “Dude! Why would you want to be some queer teacher???” 😈

      Watch it, I’ll kick out out of the Kalamazoo College group.

    • #35009
      Duck
      Member

      Watch it, I’ll kick you [sic] out of the Kalamazoo College group.

      Get rid of him. I have utter contempt for the proletariat.

    • #35010
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      Harden is coming up this weekend to take a scholarship exam (as well as Flemming, Chabot, and one more). It isn’t a recruiting trip but we’ll still be visiting them no doubt. Harden is also coming up the NEXT weekend for an actual recruiting trip…I’ll be sure to mention Teach for America (and Derek)

      I have no idea where Sean Robbins is from, try looking up results online. He’ll be visiting in April (but I won’t be here…). He doesn’t know more than Steve, I was just saying that this kid knows his shit about K-College, which is awesome.

    • #35011
      Low Tide
      Member

      His USS Team:
      http://www.fvaa.us/

      SoCal

    • #35012
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      His USS Team:
      http://www.fvaa.us/

      SoCal

      I got nuthin on SoCal

    • #35013
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      I guess his season starts in the springtime…SO…I am praying that he doesn’t use his season as an excuse not to come on a visit. He was supposed to come in Feb, but his mom couldn’t make it out here then

    • #35014
      silentp
      Member

      55 in season in the backstroke is faster than me, i was only 55 twice in season, but then again, few people swam slower than me in season compared to taper times.

      For this Cali-kid, if his academics are good, there is a way to cover half of his plane ticket up to a certain amount, which would help him getting that ticket, which is the key to making sure he’s there. i know coach Kent did that for me. The question is, do we want another Robbins? 🙂
      He sounds like of like Derek in that he has researched Kalamazoo so much, plus the california things make for an obvious connection, i wonder if he’s as big of a tool. 🙂
      (2 alums offended so far…)

      Buzzard is way cooler than Bazzell for a last name, have him change it. Both mike and derek weren’t recruited until after they had applied and became interested in the school. Mike Arce was actually the name of another swimmer who ended up at Kentucky (around 4:00 in the 400 IM), so you can imagine the disappointment for everyone when it was this Mike Arce that showed up instead.
      (3 offended)

      These 3 guys who have been 1:50 or better in season and 2 that have been 4:50, that’s solid. these are the types of guys to bring in, then 1 of them can bust out and be a stud. Even if they don’t, 2 of them will probably be about 1:45 in the 200, so they’ll score in that event.

      If they want to party, take them to a WMU party, because you’re less liable and you’ll see hotter chicks (easier also). I am not sure parties are always the best ideas though, because every recruit we lost to denison said all they did was sit around and talk about swimming, but they always loved it.

    • #35015
      Low Tide
      Member

      Get Robbins, because if he gets up on the record board I can still say I’m on there 🙂

      I would talk about Western parties (a lot of our competitors do not have big schools near them), but a good ‘ol barbecue with the team is probably the best way to go.

      It’s a bit tough when you are a high schooler to turn down a ‘party’… but that might not be their thing and it could leave a bad impression. I had a ton of fun on my Eastern recruiting trip, but it was a little too much at the time. My Kzoo recruiting trip was probably the least ‘fun’ of all them, but I liked the guys, the coach and everything else. I received more personal attention from K.

      This always rankled me: How to approach drinking with recruits?
      I hated it when some teamate would stand over a recruit dangling a beer, “Hey! You want a beer?” 9 times out of 10, the recruit was uncomfortable, whether he took one or not. I always liked the approach, “____, there’s some beer and pop in the fridge if you want to grab anything. Help yourself.” Simple and no pressure.

      Maybe things have changed, but I always told recruits we had a dry season, whether they were ‘partiers’ or not. If they are serious about swimming that should appeal to them.

      Actually, I think I’ll start a thread on recruiting tips…

    • #35016
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      55 in season in the backstroke is faster than me, i was only 55 twice in season, but then again, few people swam slower than me in season compared to taper times.

      This kid was very quite on his recruiting trip and I’m really surprised that we are still his #1. But you never know, Barret was REALLY quiet last year and he said he had a great time. He also became the one of the most outgoing kid on the team…so who knows!

      -In regards to the Cali-kid, Derek if I get you some information on him, could you call him sometime?

      Buzzard is way cooler than Bazzell for a last name

      Josh…he isn’t a BIRD!

      These 3 guys who have been 1:50 or better in season and 2 that have been 4:50

      Rick Kinsey was JUST up here for a scholarship test. Barret and I hunted him down and took him away from his group lunch with Ezra (the idiot diver who had “whooping cough” before MIAA and came to ~10 practices all season) He sounded REALLY interested in the fact that our team NEEDS freestylers…money will be an issue though

    • #35017
      silentp
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      55 in season in the backstroke is faster than me, i was only 55 twice in season, but then again, few people swam slower than me in season compared to taper times.

      This kid was very quite on his recruiting trip and I’m really surprised that we are still his #1. But you never know, Barret was REALLY quiet last year and he said he had a great time. He also became the one of the most outgoing kid on the team…so who knows!

      I have heard than when Ryan Crowley visited (21.7, 47.00 in high school) he said nothing the entire time and everyone though he hated it. Coach Kent called his mom a couple days later and she talked about how much fun Crowley had and that K was his first choice by far now. The entire team was in shock.

      What happened to our North Dakota recruit? I called him and he seemed really interested.

      Ian Peterson, i head he applied and this would be the only school he’d actually swim at. He’s been 22.95 already this year.

      Also to note, Josh Hulm from Minot North Dakota is a senior this year and has been 6:08.55 in the 500, so he made State… start calling this guy. If you need backstrokers, Garrett Common, also from Minot, has his state cut in the 100 back with a 1:11-low.

    • #35018
      Low Tide
      Member

      I have heard than when Ryan Crowley visited (21.7, 47.00 in high school) he said nothing the entire time and everyone though he hated it. Coach Kent called his mom a couple days later and she talked about how much fun Crowley had and that K was his first choice by far now. The entire team was in shock.

      Matt Sheeran was like that… probably had the worst recruiting visit I have heard of and everyone figured they had blown it. I think he ended up getting stood up after a class he sat in on and waited on a corner for close to an hour before someone realized it.

    • #35019
      Vic
      Member

      @Derek wrote:

      @Low Tide wrote:

      I know what you’re saying about Harden and money. He can get half off tuition at State bc of his dad. Yet, he’ll also get a TON of money from us bc he’s got grade grades/test scores/and a huge list of extracirriculars. AND when he came up to our meet, we talked and he seemed very negative about State. He said he didn’t like how academics were 2nd to swimming. He really likes the idea of studying abroad and NOT missing his season. I also think he likes the idea of possibly being on a relay that could win nationals… However, he is interested in education and at the moment, K doesn’t have a program! I think we’ve got him set on the idea that he he can come here and get a degree in whatever he wants (English) and then go to U of M (a school he really likes) and get a masters in education in a year.

      Tell him about me. Bring up the TFA option. Teach For America is currently expanding. I’m getting a FREE master’s in education.

      The U of M option is good too. Jane (my fiancee for those who don’t know, also a former K swimmer) did the Master’s + teaching certification program in one year at Michigan, and it worked out very well for her. Michigan has a very highly rated education program. State might be higher, if I remember correctly, but he probably already knows that. So, I would continue to talk highly of the U of M/MSU grad school option, in addition to TFA.

    • #35020
      miller
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      55 in season in the backstroke is faster than me, i was only 55 twice in season, but then again, few people swam slower than me in season compared to taper times.

      This kid was very quite on his recruiting trip and I’m really surprised that we are still his #1. But you never know, Barret was REALLY quiet last year and he said he had a great time. He also became the one of the most outgoing kid on the team…so who knows!

      I have heard than when Ryan Crowley visited (21.7, 47.00 in high school) he said nothing the entire time and everyone though he hated it. Coach Kent called his mom a couple days later and she talked about how much fun Crowley had and that K was his first choice by far now. The entire team was in shock.

      I didn’t even visit for an overnight. I spent a day on campus with Shives, told him “thanks, great trip” went home didn’t return any recruiting calls and then called Coach Kent 2 months later and said “I’m coming to K.”

      I was around for crowley’s recruiting trip. I would have ranked him at 20% after that weekend…he seemed to have a horrible time.

      That said, I was at DejaVu for Brad Shaw’s trip (he was a 58.high breaststroker 12 years ago…big cheese back then) and would have put him at 100% until his mom called and yelled at us for taking him to a strip club.

    • #35021
      Derek
      Member

      @Vic wrote:

      I would continue to talk highly of the U of M/MSU grad school option, in addition to TFA.

      Oh, absolutely talk about the U of M/MSU option more than TFA. Just plant the idea of TFA into his head as “a guy that graduation a couple years ago is in Teach For America and is teaching in New York City and getting a free Master’s at the same time.”

    • #35022
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      Jane (my fiancee for those who don’t know, also a former K swimmer) did the Master’s + teaching certification program in one year at Michigan, and it worked out very well for her.

      Thanks Vic, I will definitely use Jane as an example for Harden…we need this kid. He seems really sold on K though, but money might be an issue. But I think we have a good chance at getting him considering he told the Hope guys that he was pretty sure at K after only being up at K for an exam and catching the end of the Olivet meet….just wait until his recruit trip!

      What happened to our North Dakota recruit? I called him and he seemed really interested.

      he wasn’t smart enough, got rejected right away….

    • #35023
      Derek
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      he wasn’t smart enough, got rejected right away….

      There must already be a ND guy admitted. ND can’t produce intelligent individuals, so they give one “diversity” admit a year. (Just to get you back for your previous comment, Josh!)

    • #35024
      Low Tide
      Member

      On one of my recruiting visits (more of an unofficial recruiting trip) Steve Hunt and Greg Raczniak took me with a couple young ladies for some naked ceiling dives in the pool. Hunt ended up leaving early (I think he felt a little ackward because he was actually doing an internship at the time teaching my high school spanish class), while Greg ended up finding his way to the locker room with one of the gals. So I was left in the pool, naked, with a girl who could have stood to lose about 60 pounds.

      She shortly left and I waited in the bleachers for Greg to finally come out. Sweet.

      My freshman year I met Larissa, who was probably the best looking girl on campus at the time, who said, “Oh yeah, you’re that guy I hooked up with on your recruiting visit.” Definitely wasn’t me, and he definitely did not come to Kzoo… why I did not say, “Yes. Yes that was me.” still bothers me from time to time 🙂

    • #35025
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      It’s a damn shame that there aren’t any of those girls on the team now…all they do is do “ride the pony”, which sounds like a Larissa story, but it is just a stupid cheer that they do before every meet…making K-swimming look SO bad

    • #35026
      miller
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      It’s a damn shame that there aren’t any of those girls on the team now…all they do is do “ride the pony”, which sounds like a Larissa story, but it is just a stupid cheer that they do before every meet…making K-swimming look SO bad

      She wasn’t a swimmer. She was my roommate.

    • #35027
      silentp
      Member

      I talked to Groth and he said one of our indiana recruits made state at his sectional meet, dropping tons of time. He went from a 1:03 to a 1:00 in the breast and a 2:11 (about) to a 2:05 in the IM. The IM still isn’t that good, but that breast is solid. This is a good sign and would be a sleeper pick up.

    • #35028
      Low Tide
      Member

      Very cool. State meets are always exciting to see what recruits end up doing. You want them to improve, but not too much! 🙂

    • #35029
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      It’s either us or Depauw for that kid (Chris Granger). I talked to him yesterday. It turns out that he IS his HS team. He is the only one on it (he trains with another team though). He seemed really interested in training with guys that are better than him, it will make him faster. I guess he really liked the idea that he can bring and store his drum set up here too….?

    • #35030
      silentp
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      It’s either us or Depauw for that kid (Chris Granger). I talked to him yesterday. It turns out that he IS his HS team. He is the only one on it (he trains with another team though). He seemed really interested in training with guys that are better than him, it will make him faster. I guess he really liked the idea that he can bring and store his drum set up here too….?

      Dude, have Kurtz call him, they can talk about drums and stuff. Kurtz loved the drums and also swam a little breastroke in his day, it’s the perfect fit. Kurtz was only only a 59 coming in… something else to mention.

    • #35031
      Low Tide
      Member

      Good idea… Port also played drums. One time we crashed a Western house party and were just about to get kicked out because we were not “band f@gs” (their words), when Portenga started yelling, “Wait! I *am* a band f@g!” They needed proof however, and asked him to pound a triple falange (I have no idea what it was) with his fingers on the counter. Port played it to perfection and we got free beer the rest of the night.

    • #35032
      miller
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Good idea… Port also played drums. One time we crashed a Western house party and were just about to get kicked out because we were not “band f@gs” (their words), when Portenga started yelling, “Wait! I *am* a band f@g!” They needed proof however, and asked him to pound a triple falange (I have no idea what it was) with his fingers on the counter. Port played it to perfection and we got free beer the rest of the night.

      Port’s other greatest achievement on drums was the time that we were at Bell’s and while the band (whoever they were) was on break, he went up, sat down at their drumset and started playing. Jussi Thomas quickly joined in on vocals and then we all almost got in a fight. Classic.

    • #35033
      DonCheadle
      Member

      I was singing “American Music” by the Violent Femmes. Anyhow, the reason the band got pissed is becuase I said, “I am so sorry I didn’t know this was your stuff, we all assumed it was open-mic night.”

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