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    • #12591

      also, who is on the recruiting agenda for next season?

      has anyone seen a list of kids who have filled out recruit sheets? Here are some that I have heard of…

      -Mike Sofia, Groves 4:50 500. Booms is coaching him this summer and i work with his sister so we can talk alot with this guy this summer.
      -Mike Desantis, also groves. 52 back. Unfortunately he and sofia dont get along, hopefully they dont cancel each other out.
      -Alex Wang, west Bloomfield 4:57 500. I used to swim with him at sports club, i can talk to him about visiting this year,
      -Tyler Kalinosky, Mattawan 4:48.
      -Henrik something. 1:43, German kid who booms visited while abroad.

      Who else? we should really organize this shit and get on the ball now, i think if we wouldve made a stronger impression on some people last year they wouldve been more likely to come (i know, thats partially my fault)

    • #38027
      silentp
      Member

      I know of 1 more:

      Texan Kid from Puerto Rico originally, 21.2-ish sprinter with a converted 20.9

      There is apparently a list of 60 who have returned shit

    • #38028
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      I know of 1 more:

      Texan Kid from Puerto Rico originally, 21.2-ish sprinter with a converted 20.9

      There is apparently a list of 60 who have returned crap

      Francisco Nieves from North Crowley High School (in Fort Worth)?

      IF that is him he went a 21.48 and 47.47 at state meet

    • #38029

      @silentp wrote:

      There is apparently a list of 60 who have returned crap

      is 60 higher than last year?

    • #38030
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      it wasnt that we didnt have enough sheets returned last year. We got screwed by admissions. sports teams in general this year at the school didnt not get what they were looking for. we had the number going into the last few weeks, but everything just fell apart.

    • #38031
      silentp
      Member

      @Nehemiah Ingram wrote:

      @silentp wrote:

      There is apparently a list of 60 who have returned crap

      is 60 higher than last year?

      If i recall what Groth said, it was around 50-60 by the fall or winter, so right now, it’s more, but we’ll see how many guys return stuff over the summer. It’s just like sales, the more prospects you talk to, the better chance you have.

      If this is the way admissions will be, we just have to get twice as many applicants to double our “yes” size (in theory).

    • #38032
      TheDon
      Member

      Justin Rauhoff swims for Kalamazoo Central but hails from Comstock (co-op). He went 52.60 in the 100 fly last year good for 6th D1 as a junior. The longer the better for him and he is a solid 200 flyer (1:56.28 at USA State meet last spring though he just went a very impressive mid-season 2:14.97 at Jenison long course). I spoke to his dad for a long time at the Jenison meet a few weeks back and they are very high on K College. Justin is a KAMSC student (math science center). No problem with admission I would say. Third event would be the 500 (~5:00). He is swimming for Jeff Russell this summer. I believe they have visited campus and Kathy has had contact. Carthage is the only other DIII school to contact him so far.

    • #38033
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      We had a lot of sheets last year. Like Joey said, admissions screwed us (and other teams) over… I’m very certain that we would have gotten 2-3 more guys if they didn’t waitlist them early on in the year. A lot of them lost interest after hearing they were waitlisted…

      Also, I never really got a good feeling with a lot of the recruits last year. The only guys I really felt good about was Bazzel and Arbour. The rest were just kinda “up in the air” and I think we actually tried too hard to get them (Harden, Robbins, Pepper…etc). We came off too needy.

      As for this year, I haven’t gotten a list from Steve, but he said that we’ve got about 60 on the list. I know we have quite a few kids from out of state. I want to plan a Tigers game for any kzoo swimmers and recruits, but I don’t know if that will work out… Any ideas? It would be really cool if we could get something like that together. I threw the idea by a few “facebook recruits” and they all liked that idea.

      That is my take on it all…

    • #38034
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      alright I checked out group tigers tickets and it looks like the only day we can do is september 7th. it is a friday night which is good because recruits will be in school by that time. the big question is how many seats should i put down a deposit? I was thinking 25-30….too many? not enough?

    • #38035

      25-30 seems like a lot chev… i would think i tigers game is something to do with just a few kids. that way you can talk with them and give them personal attention. 25-30 would be pretty overwhelming. i think if we are gonna have something with that many people we should just have a BBQ/kegger here in ann arbor. that way people can walk around and socialize and whatnot and have a good time

    • #38036
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      I’m talking like current swimmers (i’m saying 10), incoming freshmen (3-5), alums (3-5). and recruits (5-8). That is a min of 21 and a max of 28 guys. I would just be putting down a deposit of 1 dollar…so really we wouldn’t be losing THAT much by overestimating the total number coming. Booms and I were talking about maybe incorporating a BBQ into the Tigers game somehow…

    • #38037
      VP2008
      Member

      I have a list of kids who returned stuff, Steve gave it to me a while ago at school. Anyhow, I just facebook messaged Zach VanSwol (some baller distance kid in Illinois), and I’m going to be swimming at senior champs this weekend. Hopefully he’ll be there so we can talk a little. Just wanted to give a little update.

    • #38038
      silentp
      Member

      @VP2008 wrote:

      I have a list of kids who returned stuff, Steve gave it to me a while ago at school.

      Don’t be prude and mock us like this, either post it or email it to me man!

      @VP2008 wrote:

      Anyhow, I just facebook messaged Zach VanSwol (some baller distance kid in Illinois).

      Times from Illinois High School States:
      200 1:47.07
      500 4:39.39

      His times aren’t on the USA Swimming Times Database, but i gotta think this kid is either already or could be a damn good miler with those kind of times…

    • #38039
      VP2008
      Member

      2.01 200 back
      9.44 1000 free
      1.48 200 free
      16.12 miler

      These are just some times from club senior champs/speedo sectionals for Van Swol.

    • #38040
      silentp
      Member

      What is the updated status of recruiting? Who has been interested and added to the lists?

      I really hope we have at least called everyone who sent back cards once by now. I know Olivet is well on their way and Hope already has a “commit” for next year, a 48 freestyler i believe (i am as shocked as everyone else that Hope would ge a short distance freestyler).

    • #38041
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      Miller- Josh said that there once was a website that had updates on recruits and stuff. Do you have any information on that?

    • #38042
      Low Tide
      Member

      Yep – Miller had put together a whole application for managing recruits. Sort of a ‘CRM’ for recruiting and it was extremely handy. The biggest problem back then was it was near impossible to get Coach Kent to actually use it — but then, Miller and Portenga used it extensively, as well as the current swimmers, so it still worked well until Miller and Portenga were no longer assistant coaches (those years brought in the best classes is K’s history). Everyone was called and no one slipped through the cracks because of a lost recruiting sheet or because of the assumption someone else was calling them.

      Now that I actually sell software for a living, I can really appreciate what Miller put together there — quite a package for the late 90’s!!! Hopefully Miller still has it (I would be suprised if he does not) — Hell Brian, you should try and sell it to other teams on this site πŸ™‚

    • #38043
      miller
      Member

      I actually don’t have it!
      Can you believe that?!

      It was so simplistic that I gave a copy of it to Oberlin for a few years and then just forgot about it all together. I have no idea what ever became of that code.

      I could probably write something like it as a Drupal module in a few days though. Drupal is the way and the light. πŸ™‚

    • #38044
      Low Tide
      Member

      That is suprising – I always pictured you programmers as pack rats, hording your code just in case you may have stumbled across the secret to defeating the evil AI robots of the future.

      Someone should contact Mark Fino and see if they still use it…. it really was a nice piece of work, and just as in recruiting like in sales – I would be a lot less efficient without my CRM (customer relationship manager).

    • #38045
      miller
      Member

      I keep most stuff.

      That particular app was a casualty of my departure from my old job actually.
      I mistakenly left it behind on a server and when i went back to get it they’d gone out of business, sold off the servers and I was left out in the cold.

      I might have a version somewhere floating around in my basement (I do keep CD-Rs of old code) but it’d be worthless in comparison to stuff you could write more quickly with modern tools.

    • #38046
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      so are you two saying there is no hope in getting this program back? it would be an awesome thing to get back running. steve and the rest of us would definitely keep it updated (unlike coach kent)

    • #38047
      miller
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      so are you two saying there is no hope in getting this program back? it would be an awesome thing to get back running. steve and the rest of us would definitely keep it updated (unlike coach kent)

      There is no possibility of getting it back.

      Anyone (Bob-o?) with a programming background could put something together. Especially if they put in some time learning Drupal. You can whip up stuff really quickly on that platform. As always, I’ll gladly provide free hosting.

      Contact Mark Fino and see what they’re using at Oberlin. Maybe they kept a copy of my software, I don’t know.

    • #38048
      Derek
      Member

      Fino is around here somewhere and has access to this forum, where are you Fino?

      And Fino, I’m leaving Cleveland Friday morning, wanna go out for drinks?

    • #38049
      Vic
      Member

      I didn’t see Fino’s username on the list for this group…so I don’t think he’s around.

      The “Briansoft” recruiting database was awesome. It was really helpful and I loved reading about the recruits. It really helped everyone keep up to date.

    • #38050
      miller
      Member

      Have any of you guys played with CiviCRM? (Derek?)
      It’s an open-source CRM for activists and non-profits.

      I’ve been building a custom version, integrated with Drupal, for sale to community foundations (and similar non-profits).

      I’m wondering if I could use that to resurrect the recruiting db (I had totally forgotten about its existence until this thread started up).

    • #38051
      Low Tide
      Member

      It’s an open-source CRM for activists and non-profits… [I’m going to take a free product, add a few tweaks and sell it to suckers at] community foundations (and similar non-profits).

      Nice! 😈

    • #38052
      miller
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      It’s an open-source CRM for activists and non-profits… [I’m going to take a free product, add a few tweaks and sell it to suckers at] community foundations (and similar non-profits).

      Nice! 😈

      Robbins, it’s called “value add”. πŸ™‚

      I’ve built my entire career on open-source stuff. So I suppose you could make that claim about anything I’ve ever done.

    • #38053
      Low Tide
      Member

      I’ve built my entire career on open-source stuff. So I suppose you could make that claim about anything I’ve ever done.

      What would the guys at Slashdot think??? 😳

      PS – I have a gal who is looking to set up eShop and eClient for Enspire and may want help prettying it up – You should send me a nice marketing piece of sites you have done and visibility services you can do with links in one email that I can just forward along.

    • #38054
      iamdonovan
      Member

      I could look into putting something together. I would have to find out more about this “drupal,” however.

      Was the program basically an online database of all of the recruit information on the sheets?

    • #38055
      silentp
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      You should send me a nice marketing piece of sites you have done and visibility services you can do with links in one email that I can just forward along.

      Also a value-add (forwarding the email) , so you better take a cut.

    • #38056
      miller
      Member

      Core: A set of mysql tables that stored names, ages, relevant stats (times, scores, etc) for every single recruit that we ever contacted (even once).

      There was a status field to indicate whether or not the recruit was still interested in Kzoo.

      There was also a very rudimentary CRM feature where you could track every contact with the recruit and it showed up in a list of comments
      underneath a detail page for that recruit.

      In addition there were several roles that had differing permissions. I was the super user (coudl do everything), there were coaches (add new people, delete people, update status) and “swimmers” (who could only add contact notes but not disable people or add new ones).

      It wasn’t much more complex than that and if I were in your shoes looking at re-building something from scratch, I’d turn to Drupal + CiviCRM as a great software pairing to pull this off.

      What’s nice is the CMS platforms (of which Drupal is only one) provide most of the role-based security you’d need (so you can focus on the other stuff). When you add CiviCRM into the mix you’ve also got a package that already delivers the contact trail so you can really focus on stuff that’s kzoo-specific.

      There is a learning curve to both, but the other thing is that you’ll probably have some great job experience. Drupal has become my freelance bread-n-butter in the past 18 months. Seems like every project I pick up (as a freelancer) these days is Drupal. The dearth of qualified developers paired with the buzz it’s gotten in the open source community has generated a real imbalance between supply and demand. It’s great! (and lucrative)

    • #38057
      Low Tide
      Member

      Heh… one field we did not have back then was cell phone πŸ™„

    • #38058
      miller
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @Low Tide wrote:

      You should send me a nice marketing piece of sites you have done and visibility services you can do with links in one email that I can just forward along.

      Also a value-add (forwarding the email) , so you better take a cut.

      whatever Pfau.
      πŸ™‚

      Rabbins,
      As requested here’s a quick list of sites that I’ve worked on for various clients in various fields.

      In all cases I did all the programming, various amounts of the HTML, and the design was done by the designer I work with, Josh Isaak. Occasionally we work with Von Franklin (another developer) but not too often as I tend to do the majority of the programming on our projects these days. You can read about our team here: http://www.web-collective.com/

      Pharmaceutical work:
      http://www.baraclude.com/ (2006)
      http://www.riseandshinestudy.com/ (2006)

      Manufacturing:
      http://www.mfpseals.com/ (2003, 30 thousand item e-commerce catalog)
      http://www.dearfinancellc.com/ (2005, less than $1,000, client maintains all content himself)

      Real Estate:
      http://www.thewoodlandsindiana.com/ (2004)
      http://www.urbanstreetproperties.com/ (2007)

      Non-profit:
      http://www.egrcf.org/ (2006, client does all content updates using Drupal CMS)
      http://www.davenport.edu/ (2007, 52 authors maintain all content using DotnetNuke CMS)

      Web-based businesses:
      http://www.gozabo.com/ – 2007 – Multi-vendor artist community. Each user is a “store” and sells their own products. We offer a variety of payment gateways (which each user can select when they create their account). The entire system is automated (you buy memberships, which automatically upgrade your account, etc.).

      http://www.arenamaps.com/ – designed in 1997, banner system (designed in 2004) allows full management of all banners by clients, currently brings in over $200,000/yr. in advertising revenues, despite the severely out-dated design. Also has over 150,000 unique visitors per month accounting for over 1 million page views.

      http://www.northernvacation.com/ – Vacation rental directory for northern Michigan. (2004 design)

      There are also some sites from 1999-2004 that aren’t online anymore which you can see on Josh’s portfolio page:
      http://www.futurebot.com/portfolio/lev02/web.html

    • #38059
      madrileno
      Member

      hey… some of us have a job… or meetings with my SPECTACULAR incoming class… sorry for taking so long to respond. Btw: keep that good class under wraps. I will show you all it at nationals — if they do well.

      we did use miller’s program until the server dropped it in the middle of a recruting cycle… thanks Miller!

      it was a great program, but I do not have it anymore. If Miller or someone wants to write it again, I could sell it to all of the coaches here. I know we shared the idea with other coaches, and I believe Miller was talking to the football coach about building one for him.

      and, yes, derek… drinks… how about Thursday. I am busy tonight.

    • #38060
      Derek
      Member

      Fino, Thursday sounds sweet. Call me after work.

      Derek

    • #38061
      Derek
      Member

      @miller wrote:

      Have any of you guys played with CiviCRM? (Derek?)
      It’s an open-source CRM for activists and non-profits.

      Nope. I’m pretty much just a hack now. I kinda suck at programming and am completely out of the loop.

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