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    • #12907
      aquaholic
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      Coaches voting again this week.
      http://www.collegeswimming.com/media/documents/DivisionIII-December.pdf

      My top ten:
      1. Denison (only because they already beat KC and you need divers in a dual).
      2. Kenyon (too many people in nearly every single event)
      3. Emory
      4. Johns Hopkins (diving hurts, or I’d have them up there too)
      5. WashU (beating DePauw helps strength-of-schedule)
      6. DePauw – faster than you think. Can they dive?
      7. UWSP – They’re so fast its Gross.
      8. W&L – If it was just freestyle, they’re #1
      9. KZoo – Breaststrokers win medley relays-they’ve got two
      10. Williams – Soft early schedule hurts vs. tapered teams.

    • #42215
      Colbybr
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      I voted for Kenyon. I think they are definitely better than they showed in that dual meet vs Denison.

    • #42216
      aquaholic
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      Colby-
      Did you see this listed under the Tufts women?
      “Coach Comment: beat Colby and Bowdoin at MIT Invite
      and Colby was ranked in the last poll”

      almost like a women’s D3 Mark Richt!

    • #42217
      Colbybr
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      Colby was ranked!?!?!

      Who is voting in this poll? I am at a loss for words

    • #42218

      One thought, obviously biased, as I think about this. In a dual meet format, winning events is at a premium. If you can get first in an event, you gain a point on the other team regardless. And if you win the relay it’s 5 pts at the least. Because of this, I like JHU’s chances in a dual meet against anyone because they have the stud to win events and relays.

      You can match them up with each team and see ways they win it with much less depth. At an invite format if would be much different, as depth becomes much more important and EU and KC are obvious favorites.

    • #42219
      Colbybr
      Member

      @JHUBreaststroke06 wrote:

      One thought, obviously biased, as I think about this. In a dual meet format, winning events is at a premium. If you can get first in an event, you gain a point on the other team regardless. And if you win the relay it’s 5 pts at the least. Because of this, I like JHU’s chances in a dual meet against anyone because they have the stud to win events and relays.

      You can match them up with each team and see ways they win it with much less depth. At an invite format if would be much different, as depth becomes much more important and EU and KC are obvious favorites.

      Ok lets run through it event by event to see how many Hopkins would win in a dual

      Medley Relay: Hopkins

      1000 Free: Kenyon

      200 Free: Kenyon (Test swimming 2 relays)

      100 Back: Hopkins

      100 Breast: Hopkins

      50 Free: Hopkins

      1M Diving: Kenyon

      100 Free: Hopkins

      200 Back: Hopkins

      200 Breast: Hopkins

      500 Free: Kenyon

      100 Fly: Kenyon

      3m Diving: Kenyon

      200 IM: Kenyon

      Free Relay: Hopkins

      The final tally: Hopkins 9 events to Kenyons 7 in a 16 event program. But with Hopkins garnering no diving points and likely getting killed depthwise in the events that they do win, I think Hopkins would lose this meet. But it would be pretty awesome to have it happen.

    • #42220
      aquaholic wrote:
      8. W&L – If it was just freestyle, they’re #1
      /quote]
      strong comment- id say they are strong in the 50 thru 200 frees, giving them a great relay advantage, but pasted Sweet and McGlaston (Gross, too/two) they lack the depth that JHU, Denison, Kenyon… (Wash U, UWSP, DePauw) have for those 3 relays. Also, where are their guys in the 5 and mile…probably giving up because of Kenyons 7 guys and Emorys 5 under 440.

      im shocked you didnt mention MIT, they will turn heads in march.

    • #42221

      @Colbybr wrote:

      @JHUBreaststroke06 wrote:

      One thought, obviously biased, as I think about this. In a dual meet format, winning events is at a premium. If you can get first in an event, you gain a point on the other team regardless. And if you win the relay it’s 5 pts at the least. Because of this, I like JHU’s chances in a dual meet against anyone because they have the stud to win events and relays.

      You can match them up with each team and see ways they win it with much less depth. At an invite format if would be much different, as depth becomes much more important and EU and KC are obvious favorites.

      Ok lets run through it event by event to see how many Hopkins would win in a dual

      Medley Relay: Hopkins

      1000 Free: Kenyon

      200 Free: Kenyon (Test swimming 2 relays)

      100 Back: Hopkins

      100 Breast: Hopkins

      50 Free: Hopkins

      1M Diving: Kenyon

      100 Free: Hopkins

      200 Back: Hopkins

      200 Breast: Hopkins

      500 Free: Kenyon

      100 Fly: Kenyon

      3m Diving: Kenyon

      200 IM: Kenyon

      Free Relay: Hopkins

      The final tally: Hopkins 9 events to Kenyons 7 in a 16 event program. But with Hopkins garnering no diving points and likely getting killed depthwise in the events that they do win, I think Hopkins would lose this meet. But it would be pretty awesome to have it happen.

      Thats a pretty fair rundown. Although if if want to go on best times this year, JHU has the 200 IM with Mahoney and the 200 is very close between Mahoney and Withington. Those 2 races would decide the meet. I think the KC people would say the 200 BR is a toss up. Also, does KC have 3 divers and would they use them? When we swam them my SR year, there was no diving scored at all.

    • #42222
      Colbybr
      Member

      In their dual vs Denison they scored two male divers I believe, but it may have only been on one board

    • #42223

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      @aquaholic wrote:

      8. W&L – If it was just freestyle, they’re #1
      /quote]
      strong comment- id say they are strong in the 50 thru 200 frees, giving them a great relay advantage, but pasted Sweet and McGlaston (Gross, too/two) they lack the depth that JHU, Denison, Kenyon… (Wash U, UWSP, DePauw) have for those 3 relays. Also, where are their guys in the 5 and mile…probably giving up because of Kenyons 7 guys and Emorys 5 under 440.

      im shocked you didnt mention MIT, they will turn heads in march.

      –Crook is a pretty solid 500 guy(4:44/5 already I think) and I think they have a kid named Tateman who same distance for them his freshmen year, but has had shoulder problems recently. Tateman may have to swim distance again in order for them to win their conference meet. So ya never know.

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