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    • #12001
      Gargamel
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      If you were forced to go back and swim in college again and had to swim in the MIAA but could not swim for any head coach the school you attend/attended has ever had in place, who would you choose to swim for? Take colleges, rankings, academics, location, cost…all that aside. Basically I’m asking you to give props to an opposing coach. Who would it be? No one from K can pick Kathy or Bob regardless of when they were there, no one from Alma can pick Schack or Baadte regardless of when they were there.

      Don’t be shy.

    • #30969
      ajp
      Member

      Bob Kent gets my props, with Patnott shortly there after.

    • #30970
      Stevo
      Member

      Gargamel that is a really hard question to answer. If i were to give props to another coach in the MIAA is would absolutely be Bob Kent. The number of consecutive MIAA championships and solid teams year after year was very impressive. If i were to go back and couldn’t pick Hope there wouldn’t be another MIAA school i would have considered. Here is why, Alma, Albion, and Olivet (at the time) didn’t have strong enough swim programs. I also wasn’t a huge fan of where those three schools were located, and some of their academic reputations. Calvin has had good swimmers but the lack of time drops from high school to college would have turned me away, and i know that Kalamazoo college wouldn’t have been a good fit for me, the school or the program. I definitely would have stayed division III and looked more at a Denison, Williams, Gustavus, Emory, etc. Not to say i don’t have respect for other programs in the MIAA i just wouldn’t pick any one of them for my college experience. Hope had great academics, is in a great location, had a christian focus, and Coach Patnott had a record of improving swimmers, especially in sprint events. So to answer your question none of the above.

    • #30971
      maverick1
      Member

      hmmm, the coach i would have gone with would have been patnott…..not only has he produced many swimmers, but hopefully he would have seen the true sprinter in me and i wouldn’t have swam the mile more than a few times in college.

      in terms of going to another school than K, it couldn’t have been hope or calvin because they are just way to conservative for me and my personality. albion, alma and olivet were all school that i had no idea existed when i was looking at schools, and if i didn’t end up at K i probably would have gone to case western.

    • #30972
      Gargamel
      Member

      Hey Stevo, thanks for doing everything you could to not answer the question.

      Maybe I should reword it.

      If you had to swim for one MIAA Coach, who would it be? It cannot be anyone that has ever coached the school you attend/attended.

      I am asking you to take everything but the coaches out of the equation. Pretend it wouldn’t be at a college or something. Who would you want to swim for?

    • #30973
      Stevo
      Member

      my apologies, it would have to be Bob Kent.

      Any Hope guy is going to say Kent, any K guy is going to say Patnott, AJP gave his calvin two cents, so that is basically everyone in this forum.

    • #30974
      Low Tide
      Member

      I considered Alma very briefly, visited Albion and applied to and had a great recruiting trip to Hope. At the time, probably the number one reason I chose Kzoo was I knew a lot more bands played in Kalamazoo than Holland (all I did was go to concerts).

      The whole “christian reformed” thing was never really marketed towards me from Hope… which is probably why I stayed interested so long. Patnott never brought it up with me, though apparently it is very much a part of his life, and no swimmers ever brought it up or anyone from administration. Did they know I was catholic? Perhaps I did not check “christianity” as one of my reasons for looking at the school and it was noted? Or maybe it is just not mentioned until it is brought up by the recruit and then it can be a topic… that seems like a smart way of going about it. I did think it was weird when during my campus tour the guide talked about it being such a diverse school with all sorts of different types of students, “and we even have non-christian students too!”

      Stevo (and others), what is a ‘christian focus’? Are there simply more classes on christianity? Is seminary something anyone is actually interested in? Is it simply because the classes and professors might be more conservative? Do you prefer to surround yourself with mainly christians? Tired of that wacky evilution theory? Is there less drinking, fornicating and general sinning?

      I am curious if anyone wants to elaborate a bit more on it. From what I here about Calvin, a lot of it meant “more rules”.

    • #30975
      silentp
      Member

      Patnott, without a doubt because he has produced several very good backstrokers and i would have brought in by that, especially being able to train with Kobes.

    • #30976
      Stevo
      Member

      Stevo (and others), what is a ‘christian focus’? Are there simply more classes on christianity? Is seminary something anyone is actually interested in? Is it simply because the classes and professors might be more conservative? Do you prefer to surround yourself with mainly christians? Tired of that wacky evilution theory? Is there less drinking, fornicating and general sinning?

      I can’t believe I am about to open this can of worms but here is my beliefs. What i liked about Hope was they didn’t have a problem talking about christianity and God. No certain religious view was pushed on me, and if i wanted to be involved in the christian activities i had that opportunity. You are required to take two religion classes at Hope, so yes there are probably more classes on christianity. Western Theological Seminary is basically a part of Hope’s campus and is known as one of the best semiaries in the country. I would say that the professors are a little more conservative but that doesn’t mean they are all that way. As for the drinking, fornicating, and general sinning I am not really sure how to answer that question. Just because a school has a christian base doesn’t mean the school doesn’t have sinning, fornicating, and no one drinks. If that is what you think then you have a pretty skewed view of life.

      Did they know I was catholic? Perhaps I did not check “christianity” as one of my reasons for looking at the school and it was noted?

      I am confused, isn’t catholocism christian?

    • #30977
      Stevo
      Member

      especially being able to train with Kobes.

      As long as you learn the lane line pull drill!

    • #30978
      teemohtay
      Member

      I can’t believe no one has chosen the obvious. It would have to be Baadte. It was entertaining enough swimming against him twice a year. I couldn’t imagine that day in and day out.

      Incidentally, if I had to go back and do it again I would probably not want to swim for Coach Kent. I was proud to be a Hornet and would never trade the experience for the world. But if you were not in the top third talent-wise, you could forget about getting any attention from him. I feel like I might have been able to improve more if I had received some more detailed instruction. Mind you, I recognized this very early on and stuck with it, which I guess says a lot about the other aspects of the program.

    • #30979
      silentp
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      especially being able to train with Kobes.

      As long as you learn the lane line pull drill!

      Learn it? I’m an old pro!

    • #30980
      silentp
      Member

      @teemohtay wrote:

      Incidentally, if I had to go back and do it again I would probably not want to swim for Coach Kent. I was proud to be a Hornet and would never trade the experience for the world. But if you were not in the top third talent-wise, you could forget about getting any attention from him. I feel like I might have been able to improve more if I had received some more detailed instruction. Mind you, I recognized this very early on and stuck with it, which I guess says a lot about the other aspects of the program.

      Our experiences must have been different because i was not in the top third talent wise but got a lot of attention from Coach Kent. For me, it seemed like the people who worked hard and wanted to do things to improve got the attention.

    • #30981
      teemohtay
      Member

      huh? You were the top backstroker on the team all 4 years and you won an individual event. Your humility is impressive, but you were most definitely a top talent on the teams you were on, so I am not surprised that our experiences were different.

    • #30982
      Milhouse
      Member

      Ah, but P, you came in as a backstroker when the team did not have any backstrokers. What did coach have to lose? 😉

      Obviously, I would choose Patnott. The guy seems like a class act all around. By the way, I also visited, applied to, and was accepted at Hope…and during my campus visit, the guide seemed to go out of his way to stress that Hope wasn’t really all that affiliated with the Dutch Reform Church, as if the college was trying to escape from the shadow of a dark past or something. Granted, this was 14 years ago, so my input probably isn’t relevant to today’s world 😥

      At K, we were also required to take two religion classes, but religion was lumped in with philosophy (probably still is). So my two “religion” classes were “Ethics and the Common Good” and “Logic and Reasoning”.

      Also, it is not an uncommon belief among some of the CRC folks around the Grand Rapids area that all Catholics are going to hell. Apparently, there is a difference, although I’m not sure what it is.

    • #30983
      quacker
      Member

      From the day I ran into DG at a Jimmy Buffett concert I always wondered what it would be like to swim for that guy.

    • #30984
      swim5599
      Member

      I did not swim in the MIAA, but if I had to pick someone other than Patnott my nod would be the guy at Calvin, I mean just look what he does with the talent he is given. He makes the most out of the semi talented, and just look what he does with Super talented ie: Weima. And he is still pretty young, which means the fire is still there. No question a very underrated coach.

    • #30985
      Low Tide
      Member

      Just because a school has a christian base doesn’t mean the school doesn’t have sinning, fornicating, and no one drinks. If that is what you think then you have a pretty skewed view of life.

      No, I believe hypocrisy is a general human trait. Though you would hope there is less of it, especially if that is important to you.

      I just thought it was interesting so many choose Hope for it’s Christian affiliation, and yet, like Milhouse noted as well, it seemed to be downplayed during recruiting (this is not a bad thing, just curious).

    • #30986
      Derek
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @teemohtay wrote:

      Incidentally, if I had to go back and do it again I would probably not want to swim for Coach Kent. I was proud to be a Hornet and would never trade the experience for the world. But if you were not in the top third talent-wise, you could forget about getting any attention from him. I feel like I might have been able to improve more if I had received some more detailed instruction. Mind you, I recognized this very early on and stuck with it, which I guess says a lot about the other aspects of the program.

      Our experiences must have been different because i was not in the top third talent wise but got a lot of attention from Coach Kent. For me, it seemed like the people who worked hard and wanted to do things to improve got the attention.

      We all have our own perspectives… Without commenting on whether or not there was attention from Kent, I know that assistant coaches (Kamai, Miller) were both fairly attentive… Kamai more than Miller I think because of the whole training distance thing. I never felt like I was left out to dry. (No pun intended.)

      One thing Kent did do was subvert the Kalamazoo College health system to get me a doctor the week before MIAAs freshman year when I was sick in bed for 3 days. I was sick in bed from Sunday night until when we left for the meet on Wednesday. Fortunately, I didn’t swim until Friday. I blame my sickness as the reason I didn’t continue the tradition of a Kalamazoo freshman winning the mile. Oh, and Scott was better than me.

    • #30987
      facenorth
      Member

      I’d say it depends on what I swam. Since JP and DS are out for me and I am a guy, I’d probably say Kathy. If I were a girl, I might lean more towards DG.

      If I swam distance, Havens has done a nice job over the years. Cohen, Dancho, Green, now Krone. We’ll see what he can do with Frenchi there now.

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