Olivet vs. Hope Dual Meet

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    • #12026
      stewie
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      So obviously this is turning out to be one of the closest dual meets…I think. Points can go either way depending on the lineups. Who swims what? who is the favorite? This is turning out to be a hell of a way to start the dual season for these two teams. The medleys will be great to watch and should be close judging by last week’s results. Who knows the 4 free may even be close…

      Also, is Fetters going to swim? any word? I hope so it will only make things faster. Hope will have speed but swimming long stroke events will hurt them. Olivet will need to step up in all free events and obviously they have the diving adv.

      Keep in mind that teams will swim the 2 med, 4 fr relays and long and short stroke. Order of events is as follows in case you are slow….

      2medley
      1000
      200
      1 back
      1 breast
      2 fly
      50
      dive
      100
      2 back
      2 breast
      500
      1 fly
      dive
      IM
      4 free relay

    • #31368
      silentp
      Member

      Ok, well it’s going to be a great meet. lots of events are up in the air right now, but since duals are decided on wins, let’s look over those.

      2medley – edge hope
      1000 – edge hope
      200 – edge Olivet
      1 back – hope wins
      1 breast – olivet wins
      2 fly – olivet wins
      50 – pick em
      dive – olivet wins
      100 – edge olivet
      2 back – hope wins
      2 breast – olivet wins
      500 – edge hope
      1 fly – pick em
      dive – olivet wins
      IM – edge hope
      4 free relay – hope wins

      So, according to me, we have:

      Olivet wins: 5
      Hope wins: 3

      Edge Olivet: 2
      Edge Hope: 4

      Pick em: 2

      So basically, hope needs to win all of the events they have an edge in and pick up either a pick em or edge olivet to win this.

    • #31369
      Rooster
      Member

      Hope will have speed but swimming long stroke events will hurt them. Olivet will need to step up in all free events and obviously they have the diving adv.

      Maybe you weren’t at the relay meet last Saturday but it seems to me like Olivet was the team with the speed. Historically, yeah, Hope but not last Saturday. 21.6 and 21.7 out of Powers and Yury. 1:15 from Yury and a 1:50 from Busscher on the progressive. Not to mention Stone is faster than anyone Hope had in the 1500 Relay last weekend. Seems to me that Hope actually wouldn’t be favored in ANY freestyle events. Especially the short sprints that Olivet seemed to have a stranglehold on last Saturday. It’s not like we didn’t see any of the Hope guys in the freestyles either. We saw all of them but one. Hope is facing a steep hill to climb this Saturday if they plan on winning.

    • #31370
      T-Bone
      Member

      There should be an asterisk next to Olivet’s win in diving because not only will they win diving, they will probably sweep on both boards. So, I would say those event “wins” are stronger than any other event “wins.”

      As usual, Hope make up a ton of points in the swim events to overcome their lack of diving. (Honestly, whoever came up with a stupid idea of combining two sports into one meet…)

    • #31371
      maverick1
      Member

      olivet did look good on those 500 crescendo relays, and the powers/bylina duo was on fire. on hope’s side though, cvb didn’t swim any freestyle and although nick stone was faster than the hope 1500 relay, remember that heyboer would have easily been faster than stone and probably around krone’s time.

      anybody notice the 21.4 out of ellis in the 200 free relay….i was definitely impressed because K had the fastest 50 guy!

    • #31372
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Olivet won by alot, 189-109 but no results yet…

    • #31373
      silentp
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      Olivet won by alot, 189-109 but no results yet…

      Some VERY fast times including a 21.6 by Powers. Olivet looked like they were in MIAA form, as usual, but it’s still impressive:

      http://www.olivetcollege.edu/sports/msd/0607/1028HOOL.HTM

    • #31374
      Joe Dirt
      Member

      looking around the rest of the league it looks like (even though olivet was obviously dominant) Hope swam fast, i mean compared to everyone else.

    • #31375
      stewie
      Member

      This was one of the fastest dual meets I’ve seen in awhile…no one was over 1:50 in the 200 fr, no one was over 50.02 in the 100 fr, the stroke events were quick with great battles between Koji and Nelis in the 2 fly and Heyboer and Miesner in the 2 br (Meisner won by one one-hundredth of a second).

      I wish there were splits for the relays and some of the individuals. Olivet managed to go 3:12 in the 4 fr and beat Hope. Also, a couple of things you can’t see from the results…Heyboer lost his googles leading off the medley and CVB did the same in the 50 fr open explaining why he was 23.0 in the 50 and 48 mid in the 100.

      Another major factor missing was obviously Waterstone. He cut his hand and is out of the water for a week or so. If he were able to swim, the results may have been closer but not enough for Hope to win.

    • #31376
      silentp
      Member

      Looks like all of us once again underestimated Olivet. They looked amazing, especially in comparison to their taper times from last year. However, many of the times aren’t as impressive when you take into consideration what the K v Hope duals looked like a few years back. Not to take anything away from either team, just pointing it out.

      Hope did look good also, but the depth we have heard about did not show up (as someone mentioned about the relay meet results). Say what you will about this only being a dual meet, but this puts olivet back as the favorite for the MIAA title.

      Heyboer, Rose, Nelis are all legit… and we don’t see splits for the relays so you telling us heyboer lost his goggles really means nothing to us… but i guess it does mean hope may have won that relay, but then again, maybe not.

    • #31377
      xlswimmer
      Member

      so you would swim faster without your goggles?

    • #31378
      stewie
      Member

      Heyboer led off in 26.2. I know this is faster than his relay meet performance, but still you have to believe he would have been quicker had his googles stayed on…I don’t know maybe that just doesn’t make sense, but I will take my chances with my googles on thank you very much…

      In Olivet’s defense, Powers went virtually the same times in the med relay and the open 50 (21.6). I don’t know if he had a bad pick up or what but something isn’t right. So, Olivet would have probably still won the relay…

      In regards to Hope’s depth, you must be blind…..

      -1000- 10:18, 10:20, 10:26
      -200- 1:47, 1:48, 1:50
      -1 bk- four guys at 57.6 or below (without heyboer)
      – 50- six guys at 22.9 or below (there could be more)
      -100 fr- four guys at 50.2 or below
      – 500- 5:02, 5:04, 5:07
      -100 fly- five guys at 57.1 or below (without waterstone)
      – 2IM- 1:59, 2:04, 2:09 (without waterstone)
      Oh yeah, and seven guys went 49’s or faster in the 4 fr relay

      I would say for an in-season dual meet these times speak volumes for Hope’s depth….of course, silentp, maybe you were just talking about the breast events or maybe in your mind these results don’t display depth….

    • #31379

      The most notable race in my memory was the 2 breast. Meisner was obviously killing Phil on the pullouts, but I think Phil showed some impressive mental toughness by pulling right back up at the end of each 25.

      As stated many times, the Hope timing system is completely unreliable. I thought Phil won the race, so the 0.01 difference is nothing more than a formality. Unfortunately someone had to be deemed the winner.

      Jokes aside, they both had a few fantastic swims for the first official meet of the year.

    • #31380
      Lane2AllStar
      Member

      Stewie just for reference it was a 25.2 and yes he probably would have been faster with goggles…obviously.

      All in all Olivet beat Hope. It was a good meet.

    • #31381
      Rooster
      Member

      CVB only swam 3 times. Weird.

      25.2 makes more sense for Heyboer with their medley time. There would have been some pretty sizable drops from the previous weekend if he were 26.2 and the relay still went as fast as it did.

    • #31382
      Insight
      Member

      I am all for talking about the upcoming K/H meet. It will be a fun one to watch.

      However, all the talking that has gone on the past 8 months since league meet, how are we not talking about the H/O meet more? 189-109? From what I understand, Waterstone was out because of an injury and I didn’t see him in the results, but what does that do for H? It really wasn’t close.

      As I look through the results, a few things stuck out. First, someone already mentioned it, CVB only swam three events. Next, if Heyboer’s goggles did come off, that could have been a win for H. Yury is in pretty decent shap and so is Jaffee, they will look to score and win at the league meet. Hope freshmen are fast. Olivet seems to be swimming especially quick in the sprints.

      Olivet has to be the league favorite at this point. That being said, this is a two team show. K will score some relay points and high end points but I don’t understand how silentp can say they are a better league team. Wouldn’t they be a better duel meet team with the big guns picking off the wins and the rest of the team filling in 5th and 6th? Also, to relate it to the meet this coming weekend with K/H…with a 2:13 out of Heyboer in the breast, should the Fonz be scared? Not to mention that is not Heyboer’s stroke, so shouldEllis be scared?

    • #31383
      facenorth
      Member

      Heyboer was 2:12 in the breast.

    • #31384
      silentp
      Member

      What exactly is Ellis supposed to be afraid of? The 100 back? I doubt he is shaking about it, especially considering Heyboer is known as a great in season swimmer and he has already been 24.6 this year. Would he be scared in the 200 back? He should have been scared before seeing his 2:12 200 breast because Ellis has never swam it and Heyboer has been a very quick 1:52.

      Should Fonsy be scared? It depends if Heyboer swims it. If he does, it opens the door for K in the 2back. I would guess that Heyboer would beat Fonsy in a 2breast right now, although i have to think Fonsy could improve over last week’s time with some competition. As for MIAAs, I can’t see Heyboer swimming it, so for that, it might not be relevant.

      I said they were a better league meet team before the start of the season. I am not sure if you are aware, but K hasn’t exactly swam stellar in the past in duals.

    • #31385
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Insight wrote:

      Also, to relate it to the meet this coming weekend with K/H…with a 2:13 out of Heyboer in the breast, should the Fonz be scared? Not to mention that is not Heyboer’s stroke, so shouldEllis be scared?

      Scared? Come on, if your worth your salt you look forward to competition. But an awesome swim by Heyboer, no doubt.

      This meet does not make Olivet the favorite. Olivet has a history of swimming well in season. Does anyone think powers is going to go a 20.8 this year? I’ll take that bet. Shoot, he isn’t even a lock for top 6 in the 50. Again, taking nothing away from the swim, it was great. But hisotry means something in this sport.

    • #31386
      Stevo
      Member

      This meet does not make Olivet the favorite. Olivet has a history of swimming well in season. Does anyone think powers is going to go a 20.8 this year?

      I agree with cheadle, in my opinion Hope is the favorite. This one time a Hope sprinter went a 21.4 in a dual meet. Then he went a 21.4 at league meet. Mitch Powers is a good swimmer but at this point in the season you can’t know. Do you remember how fast Resseguie was early into the season last year? I do.

      You don’t want to swim fast right now. This is the time where coach breaks you down, you are tired, and sore. I would much rather be fast in February.

    • #31387
      facenorth
      Member

      Hey stevo, if you put the website link you have in your signature into your avatar you will have a picture next to your posts. stupid.

    • #31388
      Stevo
      Member

      I’ve tried and it gives me an error….if you want to change it for me go for it

    • #31389
      quacker
      Member

      Now I’m Stevo.

    • #31390
      Pitbull
      Member

      Last month and a few posts up, DonCheadle said that the Hope/Olivet meet did not make Olivet the favorite. After a few more lackluster performances from the Hopers, is it now safe to say that Olivet is the favorite? Anyone who thinks that Hope IS the favorite needs a serious reality check. I mean they almost lost to Calvin. Right now, it’s Olivet’s to lose and ya know what else, those guys at Olivet will swim whatever it takes to win.

    • #31391
      lirpa
      Member

      [ those guys at Olivet will swim whatever it takes to win.[/quote]

      Olivet is swimming well, they may very well be on their way to another title, but generic statements like this always seem pretty silly to me. What if it takes a 1:16 in the 200 free relay? Are they going to do that?

      All anyone can control is how hard they train and how well they execute in the end. There is no defense. If they get touched out, is that a failure, even with a huge pb? “Whatever it takes to win” is a dumb thing to say.

      It’s like giving 110%. As far as I can tell that leaves you at least 9% dead.

    • #31392
      Lane2AllStar
      Member

      Yep, I am glad lackluster in season times means that taper times are going to suck. That makes sense. Swimming slow in season when working hard means you will probably drop a lot less than people swimming faster than you in season, regardless of how fast you may have been in previous tapers. sweet!

    • #31393
      silentp
      Member

      @Lane2AllStar wrote:

      Yep, I am glad lackluster in season times means that taper times are going to suck. That makes sense. Swimming slow in season when working hard means you will probably drop a lot less than people swimming faster than you in season, regardless of how fast you may have been in previous tapers. sweet!

      Haha, i don’t normally like this guy, but his statement couldn’t be more true… it’s fun to predict and olivet looks good, but it’s really hard to say based on dual meets how teams will do in an invite, let alone with a taper. We have to remember what we said about great dual meet teams compared to great invite teams.

    • #31394

      I’m glad that everyone is trying to conjecture on the outcome of leagues based on times from a very inconsistant point of the season.

      “It’s not in the same ballpark, it’s not even the same f****** sport!”

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