Olivet Teaching Program (and other MIAA schools)

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    • #12635
      KG from KZOO
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      I forgot to post this:

      http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/NEWS05/708120660/1007

      According to this article Olivet has the third worst teaching program in the state. They scored a 48 out of 70 pts and is listed as “low-performing” in front of only Marygrove and Adrian. This is a complete joke and the fact that we lost Harden and Stone to that school because they were told they have a “great education program” is bullshit. Yes, we don’t have a program, but getting a non-education degree from K is probably better than getting an education degree from a “low performing school.” It is just a lot cheaper to go to Olivet…

      However, Hope is tied for first with Oakland University, which surprises me because I’ve always heard that MSU has the best teaching program in the state…Fuck Hope

      Calvin and Alma both scored 63 pts and are also listed with Hope under the exemplary category.

      However, looking that our recruiting list, our stud recruits are mostly pre-med and there aren’t any education kids…this is good. If you want to look at this list, just give me your email and I’ll send it to you.

    • #38545
      Low Tide
      Member

      Of course I want it — And I dare say it would be easier to just post here, but anyways:

      robbins228@yahoo.com

    • #38546
      silentp
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Of course I want it — And I dare say it would be easier to just post here, but anyways:

      robbins228@yahoo.com

      Agreed, just post it because we all want it,

      jmpfau@comcast.net

      Oh, and pre-med is much better for us than education. It’s a hard sell on education because 1) we don’t offer it, but also 2), who wants to pay 30K+ per year to make 30K+ per year? It’s not a lot of people (unless they change their minds during the course of college of course). No one can beat us out on pre-med, and Olivet is a complete joke in this category. Also, if you notice (i’m not sure if i’ve said this before) but we don’t lose swimmers to Olivet, or even Hope as much, in the more affluent regions of Michigan, where education is more respected and the money is obviously easier to come by.

    • #38547
      Derek
      Member

      I think that MSU has one of the best program for graduate teaching programs, but the problem with even that claim is that there are very few good teaching programs in the country since there isn’t a national board that determines what degrees are granted and what is required for each degree. Think of getting a law degree and the classes and tests required to become a lawyer. One of the more objective ways to measure the success of a law school is to figure out bar passage rates, the bar being an extremely difficult test. This reality simply does not exist for teaching since each state can choose its own testing system and those tests are so easy – I did not study for two of the tests and was hungover for the third. Since I now have my masters degree and I took the tests, I’m professionally certified in NYS. NY is (supposedly) one of the harder states to gain certification.

      So, recognizing that it isn’t hard to become a teacher anyway, if a school is ranked at the bottom of the state, we can conclude that the reason why No Child Left Behind continues to leave children behind is because of Olivet College.

      Also, on the Hope issue, Kalamazoo has more grads in Teach For America than Hope does, so I’m also concluding that Kalamazoo has a greater impact on education in America than Hope. During this past summer, K had three alums working for TFA (that I know of, including myself as seasonal staff) and Hope had one.

    • #38548
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      the way the document is set up makes it unreadable on this forum. i’ll have to send it by email

    • #38549
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      i was very tempted for a while to post the link on harden’s facebook wall, but i decided it would be better to keep my mouth shut

    • #38550
      VP2008
      Member

      Yeah Chevin. don’t be dumb, that would make us look just as dirt-assy as olivet.

      how has recruiting been over in michigan? i’ve been out of the loop, and because everyone in illinois don’t bother to reply to my facebook messages.

    • #38551
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      good man. we’ve got a strong group of guy coming to the game (6-8 of them). on top of that steve has already set up 3 different recruit trips for week 1, 2, and 4. week 1 has only 3 guys, but they didn’t have a choice, but the other two have 7+ guys. i don’t know who though

    • #38552
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      They are trying to figure out some way to keep education at K. They are looking at the possibility to have a program that goes along with Western Michigans program. It would take either an extra semester or year. But the student would take classes both here and at Western. Dr. Tobochnik the interm provost is really trying to push this idea, and could help a lot with recruiting, because maybe there actually is a benifit to having western so close

    • #38553
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      They have kept a teaching program at K. What is going to happen is if a student wants to go into education it will take and extra year at most, which isn’t that much different then most programs across the country. But the student will take the class at in major minor what ever at K, and some of the education classes also, but will be required to take some classes at western to fullfil their requirements for education. The education degree will be endorsed by Western but the student will have the background in subject area at K. I almost left this part out, but the student wouldn’t have to pay K tuition for the final year, or semester, they would pay Western tuition.

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