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    • #12613
      Loma
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      Being old enough to remember (and have worn) paper suits, the idea of spending $350 on a swimsuit is a bit jarring…has anyone worn one of these? Do they live up to the hype?

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001610.html?hpid=moreheadlines

      “The world’s best swimmers talk about Speedo’s new suit like it’s some sort of superhero costume. Wear it, they said, and you’re immediately transformed. You shoot off walls like a cannonball. You never feel wet. You glide through the water weightlessly, as if naked.”

    • #38301
      Psimon3
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      Paper suits ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • #38302
      uldaddy
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      I wore it last year at nationals for the first couple days. It felt really good the first event and after that I didn’t like it so much. The problem that some of us had was that a pocket of air got trapped inside both for girls and guys. Plus the FS-IIs look cooler. I ended up switching on the second day.

    • #38303

      Great, now I have to wreck my team’s budget to buy these suits. I find it hard to believe that the suit was a big factor in Zeigler’s swim. How about the altitude-training camp she had just returned from? How about the high volume of AT training?

      A few years ago, when I was doing triathlons, I was thinking about upgrading my racing bike’s components to the top-of-the-line Shimano Dura-ace components. A good friend pointed out that it was like putting a Ferrari body on a car powered by a Yugo engine. He had a point. I just didn’t have the training to make it worth-while, and I wasn’t good enough to justify spending $1000 on parts to save me a few grams and possibly make me 5 minutes faster on a nearly 3 hour bike ride (half-iron distance).

      I think I am going to take advantage of last year’s technology when it comes time to buy conference 2008 suits. Speedo will be desperate to unload “old” and “worthless” FSII’s. I might also point out to my swimmers that Jim Born and Pedro Monteiro (on the D-III level) still have records set while they wore paper suits. Few people in history have gone faster than Matt Biondi, Tom Jager, Aleksander Popov, Janet Evans, Krisztina Egerszegyi, and Kieran Perkins, who spent most of their careers wearing paper suits. Let’s also not forget that it was only in the last 2-3 years that Mark Spitz’s last varsity record was broken at IU, and he wore nylon suits. Most important: I’m going to point out that a $350 suit is NO SUBSTITUTE for hard work.

      Me, I am going to the world-famous Quarry in Louisville this weekend to swim the 1500 at the KY State Master’s Championship. Size 32 speedo briefs, black. 1970’s technology.

    • #38304

      yeah, but dura ace is sooooo nice. admittedly it doesn’t shift or stop any better than ultegra, but come on, there’s the bling factor to consider.

    • #38305

      I knew you’d be all about the Dura-ace. I was actually going to be upgrading from 105 to D-A, but I just didn’t have enough saddle-time to justify that. And, I wanted to save my $$ for something that actually counts, like eating. Showing off is certainly part of the whole triathlon and biking lifestyle. I can’t do that so much in my marathoning: “Hey, everyone, check out this flashy pair of Brooks Beast Vi’s I am wearing! It has EXTRA pronation support!”

      I worked as the timing system operator at two local summer league championships, so I saw kids wearing “speed suits.” It was astonishing the number of kids wearing FSII’s. For a summer meet in a 4 foot deep outdoor pool! 10 year-olds swimming 25s!! TYR, Nike, speedo, arena, adidas, whomever have a great business plan: sell overhyped suits to thousands of kids wanting to swim a 25 or a 50 a bit faster. It’s a perfect fit with America’s desire for instant gratification at any cost. Take any shortcut to avoid work. Very similar to people looking for quick answers to overweight.

      Point is: if you don’t have the “engine” behind you, don’t waste your parents’ (or my budget’s) money on a silver bullet suit.

    • #38306
      Psimon3
      Member

      My son just got involved in swimming at the club level this summer. we only did two meets, both yards as I didn’t want to freak my 6 year old out. While at the meet (resisting my urge to coach), my wife was looking at suits at the vendor and was asking the guy if it was would be good to get the speed suit for my son. his response was “of course, anything to get a few extra tenths”… thank god I was near because she damn near bought it for him…

      I told her that a his little Speedo brief and growth spurt will drop more time than any speed suit at this age… Plus until he can do fly and breast legally, I don’t see the need to even buy him a jammer…

      Parents are so gullible… even those who are married to coaches

    • #38307

      Of course all of those who were quoted are sponsered by Speedo. I don’t think they are going to say, “ehhh, there really wasn’t any difference. I was just training harder”

      Best paper suit story. 8th, grade, a friend of mine was trying to get a small paper suit on (I loved having deep red and blue lines around my waist for 4 days after meets and using shampoo or lotion to smooth the legs to get those things on), he was jumping up and down trying to force it up and his fingers went through the back. Lucky I had an extra one for him to borrow.

    • #38308

      Ah, the venerable paper suit. I have to tell people it wasn’t really made out of paper. According to the manufacturers, du Pont wove instead of knitted the lycra (same mixture of 78% spandex and 22% nylon). The Finals and Arena made the best ones. Whatever. They didn’t stretch at all. A good paper suit was one that was easy to get up only just above the knees. We’d have to then spend the next 2-5 minutes slowly pulling it up and then making the proper “adjustments.” The suits took a while to get on and off. It took longer for everything else to get back to normal.

      I used to get two paper suits for NCAA’s: the smaller size 28 for the 500 and the 200 free, and the larger 30 or 32 for the mile.

      Psimon, I am glad you were there to intervene at the swim shop, but I am sure that retailer was pretty upset.

      On a similar note, I am sure you have noticed that these days, boys are almost all in jammers. A friend of mine, a USA club coach here in Lexington, believes that jammers are saving the sport for boys who don’t want to walk around in the briefs. But, guys coming to my team are warned: jammers will NEVER be allowed in practice. “You are in college now.”

      Back to speed suits: I’ve been told by a frequent contributor to this site that he believes that the suits with more coverage give better compression for the skin on larger swimmers, which cuts on the “flutter” of the skin underwater. I’d have to say that makes some sense. For me, then, the ideal suit then would go from mid-thigh to my pecs. On normal swimmers, there’s little fat on the extremities below the knee and elbow, so no need for the Ian Thorpe suit coverage there.

      Bottom line: if it costs a bunch of money, and incidentally, a WR is broken, better for speedo.

    • #38309
      fr0gman
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    • #38310

      We had a guy on our team come out of the locker room t sections in his paper suit, and without noticing he had one of his pair hanging out. They were so tight they made everything go numb, so you would no notice something like that.

    • #38311
      CaseBrst10
      Member

      @uldaddy wrote:

      I wore it last year at nationals for the first couple days. It felt really good the first event and after that I didn’t like it so much. The problem that some of us had was that a pocket of air got trapped inside both for girls and guys. Plus the FS-IIs look cooler. I ended up switching on the second day.

      I heard the FS-Pros are less durable…like only 3 or 4 swims per suit…is this true?

    • #38312

      If suit technology does in fact keep improving our times, what is the point in even keeping track of records???

    • #38313
      BYoung001
      Member

      to sell more suits of course

    • #38314

      I agree with BYOUNG: sell more suits if they only last a few wears. Someone’s got some smart people working for them at the top levels of the marketing/research departments. The plan:

      1) Produce a new “gotta have it” suit. Charge ridiculous amounts for it.
      2) Put it on a fast swimmer (Michael Phelps).
      3) That swimmer swims really fast “because” of the suit. That swimmer makes an endorsed comment about “exploding off my walls.”
      4) Rumors are “leaked” that the suit doesn’t last all that long.

      Things that this swimwear company may not want you to know:
      1) Phelps is fast probably because he is focused, freakish, and is finally lifting weights. He could have gone 55.0 in the backstroke in board shorts and tennis shoes.
      2) The swimwear company has no incentive to make this suit last long at all, not when they can keep getting gullible credit card holders to keep dishing out the bucks (see Psimon’s post from earlier).
      3) Research conducted at the University of Buffalo (and a Dutch University) indicates that there is insignificant advantage to speed suits.

      All companies interested in increasing market share need to come out with a “new” or “better” product to keep people interested. “New Coke.” “Bud Light.” “2008 Corvette.” “Labron James Nikes.” “Silicone Dome Semi-rigid Swim Cap.” “Titleist Golf Balls.” The last one makes me particularly irked: why in the world do I want a ball that goes farther off my club, when it just means it’s going to get that much more lost when I slice it to the right? It’s the same with golf balls and swimming suits. My main issue in hitting a golf ball is that I don’t practice near enough, so my swing stinks. I’m not going to buy a ball that costs more to get lost. Why should I buy a suit that is going to be a shortcut attempt to speed?

      As stated before, I will NOT sabotage my budget to buy disposable suits.

    • #38315
      DonCheadle
      Member

      In college a Kzoo swimmer developed a spray that was ultra-slick. We called it the silver-bullet. I wore it in a practice, and it really did work. Others on the forum can attest to this too (Robbinss, Miller?). The problem was it gave you acne and caused a lot of irritation. I am sure that it could be sprayed on to these suits and keep them good as new for a longer period of time.

    • #38316
      CaseBrst10
      Member

      haha maybe you should call a few marketing Execs at your favorite suit maker….(or your least favorite, depends on how you look at the competition…)

    • #38317
      swimming2008
      Member

      Wasn’t that what Barry Bonds was using… “the clear.”

    • #38318
      CaseBrst10
      Member
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