NCAAs 2007 Locale

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    • #11998
      The15mMark
      Member

      Hey all,

      Just wondering where, exactly, the NCAA meet is this year? I think I’ve been hearing that it’s in San Antonio, but what facility is it at?

      Thanks.

    • #30925

      It’s at the University of Houston. Beautiful pool. It will be fast. Maybe not UMN, but it’s a great tank.

    • #30926
      silentp
      Member

      Here are the best pictures i could find
      http://uhcougars.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/gallery_index.html

      They aren’t very good but it gives the idea, looks great.

    • #30927

      Southwestern,
      Why not try to host D-III’s at UT next year? Make it two in a row for Texas. If the meet becomes a combined meet, the Jamail Texas Swim Center would be great for it.

      The Texas Swim Center is my absolute favorite pool in the US. I believe it is also one of the most visually stunning and fastest pools in the US. If D-III’s were held there it could be an incredibly fast meet. It has more-than-ample seating, a great diving tank… in short, a great place to have a meet.

      I’d have it at UK if there were enough seating for spectators. A good friend of mine is going to work to get D-III’s at Maryland in the next few years. Maryland would be the perfect site for the meet. College Park is right outside of DC, is serviced by three airports, and dozens of colleges are within the drive radius for the meet (Hopkins, F&M, Mary Washington, WashLee, Rowan, TCNJ, USMMA, NYU, etc).

      Other great sites would be Indy, Purdue, Ohio State, Long Island Goodwill Games Pool, Georgia Tech Wayerhauser-King County. It’s a matter of getting the nearby colleges to make the bid to host and knowing what the format is on the meet (3-day single sex? 3-day combined? 4-day combined?).

    • #30928
      sluggo
      Member

      Why not have it at the new facility at University of Missouri? The facility is beautiful and located in center of country. One drawback could be hotels.

    • #30929
      Gyorf
      Member

      i know it will never happen but i know that many west coast d3swimmers have always wanted the meet out west…. stanfords pool is amazing, but i have a feeling a lot of midwesterners would whine about having to swim outside….. so we could have it long beach and go old school i guess… that and its too far for the majority of schools… but it would be great! thats my vote!! left coast best coast.

    • #30930
      swim5599
      Member

      If they hosted the meet out there I don’t think many people would whine, that is some kind of facility. I know there is absolutely nothing to do in Buffalo, but why not have the meet back at Eerie Community college, I believe the last time the meet was held there we saw that ridiculous 1:58.9 in the 200 breast.

    • #30931
      The15mMark
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      Here are the best pictures i could find
      http://uhcougars.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/gallery_index.html

      They aren’t very good but it gives the idea, looks great.

      Thanks silentp. The facility looks like it was well done and should be a great place for the top-notch atheletes to compete. Too bad it’s so far from MN or I’d show up….

    • #30932
      lirpa
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      If they hosted the meet out there I don’t think many people would whine, that is some kind of facility. I know there is absolutely nothing to do in Buffalo, but why not have the meet back at Eerie Community college, I believe the last time the meet was held there we saw that ridiculous 1:58.9 in the 200 breast.

      What can you do in Miami, OH or Holland, Michigan that you can’t do in Buffalo. This isn’t hosting the Superbowl. Plenty of hotels and restaurants near the facility, nice pool, plenty of schools nearby to host. (I just read that NY has 60 DIII schools, more than any other state, most have swim teams.)

      I know people would like an attractive, warm weather destination as an added bonus of making nats, but I think Buffalo can host the meet capably, and it is no colder than Minnesota.

    • #30933

      Buffalo is a good pool for the meet, and a central site for all those teams in NY. Funny and interesting is that the last time it was there, the Kalamazoo teams actually travelled through Canada to get to Buffalo.

      In 1992, the meet was held at the University at Buffalo. That has a 50m pool and a separate diving tank. I swam horribly there, but it was a good pool, with ample seating.

      I guess if Flickinger isn’t available, someone could always ask to host it at UB.

      But, back to my earlier point: why not at Texas? Texas is as remote to D-III schools as Emory is. In fact, I think there are more schools nearby than there are in the Southeast in relation to Emory. Trinity (San Antonio), Southwestern (Georgetown), Austin College (Sherman) come to mind.

    • #30934
      silentp
      Member

      My vote is a temporary pool. The location would be founding using a weighted geographic formula that would take into account the location of each school sending swimmers. Each school would score based on the number of swimmers (men + women) they send to the meet. This would then be added up, using the weight and miles from a given point, so that the point could be shifted and moved depending on the results of the formula. The closest gym or auditorium to the exact spot would be the location for the D3 championship… it’d be revolutionary!

    • #30935

      Chip-

      One problem with Austin is that it’s a second tier airport. Very few direct flights. UT is a great tank (though I think A&M’s is nicer) and would make a good meet, but you also have to consider whether or not they’re going to rent out space two weeks before their NCAA meet. Add to that the fact that frankly I really don’t want to do something as big as host NCAAs at this point in my career. Way more important to me to spend my time recruiting and building our team. I don’t think that many people realize how much time and work goes into hosting NCAAs. At some point, yes, I’d love to be part of it again, in the next few years, uhh, no thanks.

    • #30936
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Southwestern U. Swimming wrote:

      Chip-

      One problem with Austin is that its a second tier airport.

      As opposed to, say Holland? WTF!

    • #30937

      Don-

      Fair point, but I don’t think that anyone is arguing that Holland was an ideal setting either.

    • #30938
      silentp
      Member

      @Southwestern U. Swimming wrote:

      Don-

      Fair point, but I don’t think that anyone is arguing that Holland was an ideal setting either.

      The pool was not ideal and there might not be “as much to do” in Holland as in other places, but as far as hosts of the meet, they were amazing. I don’t have anything to compare it to but the people I went with (Kathy, Carlos Vega, Andrew Kurtz) have lots to compare it to and felt the same way. While the pool was not up to par with what a championship pool should be, the rest of the factors were first rate.

    • #30939

      I wasn’t meaning to slam Holland or Hope’s meet managment at all. I wasn’t even at the meet that year, but heard that everything went well. I was just trying to say that if we’re putting all of the factors together that make a situation ideal, Holland wouldn’t fit the bill. Too far from a major airport, good, not great pool, chances of really bad weather. Once it’s assigned then the people running it make the meet.

    • #30940
      TheDon
      Member

      When will Wabash and/or Depauw co-host the meet at IUPUI (Indy)?

    • #30941
      sluggo
      Member

      Indy meet

      I agree….The facility is great and there is lots to do in Indy.

    • #30942

      Steve,
      In regards to hosting the NCAA meet at another facility, I can only imagine how hard it can be. I don’t blame you for not pursuing it (though it is fun to speculate on SU hosting at UT, A&M or San Antonio). After hosting UAA’s at Chicago, starting as the interim meet manager in February of the preceeding year, then putting together all the details, ordering seating, ceding control to another AD, managing the risk management part, ordering facilities updates, and sitting in hours-long weekly meetings at 3:00pm when I should have been on the pool deck, I don’t know if I’d ever want that headache again. I am glad I didn’t write a journal called “Hosting UAA’s the Chicago Way,” or I’d get anxiety attacks just re-reading it. Just show up at the meet and let someone else run it.

      For everyone: THAT’S probably the reason Depauw and Wabash haven’t wanted to host the meet at IUPUI. I don’t know if Rose-Hulman is thinking about that, but maybe… I’ll talk with him soon.

      The NCAC has a great set-up with their facility: each year, a different college manages the conference meet, in the same facility. That way, a great facility is assured, and the burden is passed around. I’m pretty sure that Minnesota is the same way, and the SUNYAC as a whole might do the same thing at Flickinger.

      So, what it takes is a coach and an athletic administration that are ready and dedicated to do the really hard work of hosting the meet, either at their pool or somewhere else. D-I has an entire championships committee, and usually, there are AD’s and staff for Facilities Management that would work together to run the entire hosting of the meet at their pool (UT, Georgia Tech, Purdue, for example). These folks make it their 9-5 job to run facilities and meets. I am sure that Eddie Reese and company have little to do with that. At the D-III level, however, athletic departments are much smaller, and usually the coach is the facilities director. And the NCAA doesn’t offer a full-time staff that spends weeks on campus with D-III concerns. So the coach will have to split time in coaching and running the pre-hosting duties. Also involved are SID’s who are as dedicated to running a great media package.

      It is a HUGE undertaking to run the meet, and I must say, we need to really thank those who do host the meets. We are lucky to have had Minnesota, Flickinger, St Peters in the last several cycles. Houston is trying to step up as a potential site for the bigger meets, so their interest in NCAA’s is in making a reputation.

    • #30943
      Chris Knight
      Member

      I love the idea of having it at Maryland. They will never get to have D1’s (unless they add a 10M – in other words, never), so it could be an easier site to get than some of the other crazy-fast pools out there.

    • #30944
      silentp
      Member

      Put it in North Dakota where there is no D3 team! Great pool and they have hosted D2s several times… everyone would love it!

    • #30945
      Gyorf
      Member

      haha, no. everyone would not love it. warmer is better. go south or west. but fargo was a cool movie… so it has that going for it. i think my brother swam there at junior nationals in 1998, maybe 1999…

    • #30946
      sluggo
      Member

      Put the meet in Indy and combine the men’s and women’s championships
      A combined meet would make it more enjoyable for the smaller schools who only send a few swimmers. There’s nothing worse than going to Nationals and being the only swimmer from your school.

    • #30947
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @sluggo wrote:

      There’s nothing worse than going to Nationals and being the only swimmer from your school.

      Oral surgery?

    • #30948
      ajp
      Member

      Kidney stones are definitely worse.
      I hear childbirth is painful too.

    • #30949
      Derek
      Member

      I was talking to another teacher at my school the other day who told me that dislocating her shoulder was worse than childbirth… so logically we can add dislocating your shoulder to the list of things that are worse.

    • #30950
      Gyorf
      Member

      when i was a in junior high i fractured my knee in three places and tore my mcl ligament clean apart. i was in a cast for 6 months and on crutches for 9-10 months. that was pretty painful. i would rather be on my own team at nats than go through that again. that should be on the list too…

    • #30951
      N Dynamite
      Member

      End of the semester finals. I know I’d rather be by myself at Nationals than taking any kind of final. That should be there too.

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