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While you have listed perhaps the best swims in the MIAA, I am having a difficult time agreeing that they are the most impressive. To me, the most impressive swim would be one of James Richardson’s swims. A LTB of over 5:00 before this college, he’s already been 4:56 and 10:08. To me, that is impressive.
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@CommodoreLongfellow wrote:
While you have listed perhaps the best swims in the MIAA, I am having a difficult time agreeing that they are the most impressive. To me, the most impressive swim would be one of James Richardson’s swims. A LTB of over 5:00 before this college, he’s already been 4:56 and 10:08. To me, that is impressive.
I think we just have a different idea of impressive. To me, impressive is fast times, while to you, they are time drops. Just a different point of view.
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I think the issue here, as stated by Commodore, is best vs. impressive. The swim listed at the beginning are some of the best swims, making them impressive. However, Richardson’s swim is extrememly impressive for him considering what he came in at and the point in the season. The swim was not one of the best swims (reason why it was not included) but was certainly a strong swim.
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@Buck wrote:
I think the issue here, as stated by Commodore, is best vs. impressive. The swim listed at the beginning are some of the best swims, making them impressive. However, Richardson’s swim is extrememly impressive for him considering what he came in at and the point in the season. The swim was not one of the best swims (reason why it was not included) but was certainly a strong swim.
No, it was because it wasn’t among the most impressive to me, as i already stated. If people want to put it ahead of Fonsy’s 57, that’s fine, it’s just a different point of view as to what impresses each individual. Going from slow to better isn’t as impressive as going fast to me, other’s opinions are obviously their own, that’s why i did my own list, so others could do their’s.
We will see what each does at their respective meets coming up this weekend.
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As far as the order goes, anyone think Rose’s 100 is more impressive than Ellis’ 1 bk? 47.9 in season is quick and fastest in the MIAA right now…I think. Also, it is nearly a PR for him (47.8 in hs). Ellis has been a 51.0 in hs and this season has posted a 52.9.
I guess if you go by how good the times are based on their past performances you would say Rose has the upperhand by nearly PRing this season. However, how can you compare a 47.9 in the 1fr to a 52.9 in the 1 bk…I don’t know if you can. They are both the top times in the MIAA for their events.
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@stewie wrote:
However, how can you compare a 47.9 in the 1fr to a 52.9 in the 1 bk…I don’t know if you can. They are both the top times in the MIAA for their events.
So is a 4:56 in the 500? So the 4:56 is as fast as the 47.9? No. If you compare them, the 52 is significally faster than the 47.9. You can base that on B cuts 1.3 seconds off to only .2 or on rank Nationally, which the 47.9 is much lower than the 52.9.
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I was getting tired of this argument so hopefully what I have to say here makes some sense. I went to collegeswimming.com and pulled up their powerpoint ranking system, which measure quality of swim (thanks Greg). While everyone may not agree this is the end all solution to which swims is better, it gives us an unbiased idea. Below are the top swim in the MIAA thus far this season and how it ranks when compared to swims of different events and distances. Hope that makes sense.
1. 826 points Espinosa 100 breast 57.84
2. 799 points Hope 200 Free Relay 1:26.92
3. 791 points Bylina 200 Free 1:45.91
4. 789 points Heyboer 1000 Free 9:55.71
5. 788 points Heyboer 200 IM 1:58.16
6. 783 points Olivet 400 Free Relay 3:13.96
7. 781 points VanderBroek 50 Free 21.78
8. 778 points Rose 100 Free 47.93
9. 776 points KZoo 200 medley 1:36.96
10. 769 points Espinosa 200 Breast 2:11.5
11. 763 points Heyboer 400 IM 4:13.48
12. 761 points Hulsebos 1M 253.5
13. 754 points Hulesbos 3M 251.25
14. 753 points Heyboer 200 back 1:56.76
15. 749 points Dekker 100 fly 53.3
16. 731 points Ellis 100 back 52.94
17. 701 points Toll 200 fly 2:00.84
18. 687 points Krone 500 4:56.22Now, obviously this isn’t perfect. The first thing that pops out at me would be how is a faster 100 backstroke more valuable than a slower 100 fly? I’d love for someone with some time on their hands to double check those point values. I think the times are pretty accurate as far as what the league has been thus far. It’s just another perspective.
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@DonCheadle wrote:
More guys under 45 in the 100 back than 100 fly. There has probably been more guys under 46 as well. The 100 back record has been the faster record for 10 or the last 1 years or so…
8 guys had been under 46 in the 100 back, a few have done it multiple times
6 guys had been under 46 in the 100 fly, a couple have done it more than once with Crocker having done it 6 times
Those stats are old however, because the current 100 fly record is faster than the current 100 back record (44.72, Ian Crocker), so they are at least 2 years old.
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B Cuts under invite times last year:
Krone 500 – 4:35.6
1650 – 16:08Ellis 100 Back – 51.29
Espinosa 100 Breast – 56.6
Heyboer 400 IM – 4:05.9
K 200 Medley – 1:33.29
Other ‘B’ cut performances:
Hope 400 Free – 3:07.66
K 400 Medley 3:28.6
Heyboer 200 IM 1:54.9
200 Back 1:54.1Espinosa 200 Breast 2:07.2
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I think you’re right Cheadle, that a 16:08 isn’t safe at this point. Historically it is but the way things are shaping up, I would have to say he might as well go his 15:55 in February and take care of any questions. I know he’s been 4:35.6 and while that should be safe, it’s no guarantee. I can’t believe I just said that. But if I were Paul Krone I would plan on dropping a little bit more time in the 500 too because below is the list of guys that were faster than 4:35.9 last year that didn’t graduate and have already been under this year.
Tim Newton
Bryce Peterson
Ben Hanson
Steve Spinelli
Greg Bettencourt
Bobby Brown
Eric Dunn
Randall Scarborough
David Curtis
Nick Lake
Richard Guerard
Alex Rantz
Matt Stewart
Wes Bubb
Andrew Roos
Kegan BorlandCrazy how fast and deep this event got.
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Based on a previous poll, 26 people didn’t think he would win the 200 Free anyway. which is crazy considering he was 1:45.0 to his feet in the 500 at Wheaton and the lifetime best time in the league is less than 2.5 seconds faster than that. While a 4:35 should be a shoe-in for Nats, this year it isn’t.
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