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    • #12839

      As someone who owns and writes for a few high traffic websites, and who has been threatened with a lawsuit enough times to form an LLC, I’ll chime in.

      You cannot defame people in writing. If the site owner has knowledge of libel, and does not remove it, he/she is responsible for damages. If he/she is not protected by an LLC, he/she is personally responsible for it. If he/she is notified of it, but removes it right away, all is cool.

      So I understand moderators stepping in when something borderline is posted about a current swimmer. I’m sure if you were threatened with 20,000 in damages, you’d turn conservative pretty fast, as well. Having said that, NCAA swimmers are public figures. You can talk about and criticize public figures as much as you want. I can say that Ted Marschall is a lousy butterflier as legitimately as I can say Nelson Westby is a super swimmer. What I can’t do is accuse him of something that is not public knowledge, nor disgrace him. Moderators on this site have in the past overreacted to criticism, and confused it for defamation. It’s not the same, and only presenting one side of the story by only allowing positive comments is quite simply un-American.

      What I have seen this site do, several times, that I would personally stay clear from, is post pictures. Posting pictures of swimmers without their permission and knowledge is asking to be sued*.

      As for duck editing every one’s post, please stop. Delete it or leave it. There is not a single person on this board that I want reinterpreting what I’m trying to write. So if I can ask a personal favor, please do not edit my posts. I’d rather you delete them, if you find a problem with it.

      * As a note, I am not a lawyer.

    • #41048
      silentp
      Member

      To respond, this is completely true, obviously, but D3swimming would rather not see personal attacks on swimmers. The personal attack that got the lawyers calling us was not related to a swimmer, but was related to a personal attack. As Mac said, we removed it right away and no harm.

      If you feel we are deleting or editing your posts in a manner you do not agree with or question, please let us know. I have already apologized regarding the douche bag comment, and was sincere with this apology.

    • #41049
      wonderboy33
      Member

      I think Duck agrees that I’ve been slighted. Go to the website suggestions forum and read his post.

    • #41050
      maverick1
      Member

      wonderboy, before you can continue on your quest to dethrone silentp you must answer this question:

      had eric dunn broken 4:00 in the 400 Im?

    • #41051
      wonderboy33
      Member

      The answer is yes, he went 3:57.41 at D3 Nationals last year, though anyone can look that up. Apparently, there was speculation that he wasn’t swimming this year but that was later proved to be false. I also noticed that a post mentioned that he felt Dunn was arrogant. This was a negative comment that wasn’t deleted. Again, this can all be looked up as I don’t claim to be an expert on all things D3. I have more experience with the MIAC through the fantasy league and having competed in that conference.

    • #41052

      @Mac of the MIAC wrote:

      So if I can ask a personal favor, please do not edit my posts. I’d rather you delete them, if you find a problem with it.

      Mac, pick a story and stay with it. I edited your posts right away, you got pissed and threw a hissy fit. Later when I had a problem with them, I simply deleted them, again to have you get pissed, throw a hissy fit, and try to have me ousted.

      Does this mean that, in the future, I can delete posts that are out of line with what d3swimming.com, and not you and your little fantasy, say anything I want world, wants?

    • #41053
      Tobias
      Member

      Wonderboy, Eric Dunn did actually quit. He is no longer listed on their roster:

      http://athletics.kenyon.edu/x4937.xml

    • #41054
      wonderboy33
      Member

      Tobias, I stand corrected. Though my understanding is that he swam early on in the season as there are results from him in early November. Perhaps he quit very recently?

    • #41055
      Derek
      Member

      I encourage everyone – whether you are a user or moderator – to keep quiet on this topic until I have a chance to figure out what is going on here. Don’t incriminate yourself.

    • #41056

      @Derek wrote:

      I encourage everyone – whether you are a user or moderator – to keep quiet on this topic until I have a chance to figure out what is going on here. Don’t incriminate yourself.

      Incriminate yourself? Really? I plead the 5th.

    • #41057

      @Derek wrote:

      I encourage everyone – whether you are a user or moderator – to keep quiet on this topic until I have a chance to figure out what is going on here. Don’t incriminate yourself.

      Has the FBI requested your Apache log files?

    • #41058
      CRUNCHYSOCK
      Member

      For the sake of that statement not being the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen written in English, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he was joking. Please for the love of God tell me you were joking.

    • #41059
      Derek
      Member

      Tip: If this forum generates any more drama that results in people sending me messages and demanding that members of he executive team be kicked off, I’ll just shut you all down. Grow up.

      No, I wasn’t kidding. And if you think it is a dumb statement, then go start http://www.miacswimming.com and say whatever you like. I have consistently tried to be fair to all parties and encourage as much discussion as possible. This is the only forum that has generated letters from lawyers and endless messages crying about who said what and posts being deleted. Again: grow up.

    • #41060
      wonderboy33
      Member

      It’s ok guys, let’s all calm down. My lawyers filed the necessary papers but the case will not go to trial. There has been a settlement and I’m not allowed to discuss the details of said settlement due to a gag order.

      I can say that I’m happy with the outcome of the case. I feel that my lawyers worked tirelessly on my behalf, and my friends and family members were supportive every step of the way. My hope is that in the future, we can all live in a world where criticism is accepted, discourse is encouraged, and the rights of all humans are respected.

      In closing, I am allowed to reiterate the one principle that has been important to me throughout this whole ordeal. The masses have cried out and this one inalienable truth has been proven without a shadow of a doubt. Make no mistake about it, Space Opera’s Rule!!!!

    • #41061
      Duck
      Member

      Fine, fine, fine… I will cage up again, for the time being, my gaggle of lawyers. They were chomping at the bits at the possibility of succor greater than the mere table scraps I throw them from time to time.

      Derek: You and I are not finished, mister. Not for one minute.

      Make no mistake about it, Space Operas [sic] Rule!!!!

      At least we can all find a common bond somewhere.

    • #41062
      Derek
      Member

      @Duck wrote:

      Derek: You and I are not finished, mister. Not for one minute.

      I don’t anticipate ever being finished when the Duck is involved.

    • #41063
      delmonte
      Member

      @Derek wrote:

      Tip: If this forum generates any more drama that results in people sending me messages and demanding that members of he executive team be kicked off, I’ll just shut you all down. Grow up.

      No, I wasn’t kidding. And if you think it is a dumb statement, then go start http://www.miacswimming.com and say whatever you like. I have consistently tried to be fair to all parties and encourage as much discussion as possible. This is the only forum that has generated letters from lawyers and endless messages crying about who said what and posts being deleted. Again: grow up.

      so you told everyone not to incriminate themselves until your investigation. then you tell everyone to grow up. then you tell everyone you are going to take your ball and go home. then you tell everyone to grow up again. sounds like someone here is acting like a 12 year old, and its not wonderboy.

    • #41064
      Keith
      Member

      This might be more enthralling and melodramatic then the episode of “Saved by the Bell” when Jessie forms an addiction to caffeine pills. Only when you wake up disoriented and unable to remember a rehearsal of Hot Sundae, you realize you might have a problem.

      Slater: “Jessie, these pills are dangerous!”
      Jessie: “Yeah, well, so is geometry.”

    • #41065
      Duck
      Member

      @delmonte wrote:

      so you told everyone not to incriminate themselves until your investigation. then you tell everyone to grow up. then you tell everyone you are going to take your ball and go home. then you tell everyone to grow up again. sounds like someone here is acting like a 12 year old, and its not wonderboy.

      No dear, I’m afraid you have it all wrong.

      It’s more akin to when you are over at Mac’s, whining about the last of the skotchguard being huffed, screeching on about leprechauns and your hoit-a-toit derrier is thrown back out onto the street.

      Yes, he may have the cheapest meth prices on the block, but it is still his abode (at least until the landlord catches up with his receivables) and you do not have free reign over the place.

    • #41066
      delmonte
      Member

      what exactly do i have wrong? i understand your analogy. but much like your other posts, it makes no sense in context. are you dislexic or something? because i knew this guy in hs who spoke like you. he was always throwing out his word-of-the-day regardless of context. turns out, he was dislexic and his teachers gave him extra time on tests.

      so are you dislexic or something? do you get extra time to make posts?

      @Duck wrote:

      @delmonte wrote:

      so you told everyone not to incriminate themselves until your investigation. then you tell everyone to grow up. then you tell everyone you are going to take your ball and go home. then you tell everyone to grow up again. sounds like someone here is acting like a 12 year old, and its not wonderboy.

      No dear, I’m afraid you have it all wrong.

      It’s more akin to when you are over at Mac’s, whining about the last of the skotchguard being huffed, screeching on about leprechauns and your hoit-a-toit derrier is thrown back out onto the street.

      Yes, he may have the cheapest meth prices on the block, but it is still his abode (at least until the landlord catches up with his receivables) and you do not have free reign over the place.

    • #41067

      delmonte, do you and Mac really offer up scotchguard at your place? Sign me up.

      Duck, Theo Huckstable was dyslexic… both on the Cosby show, and in real life. There is hope.

    • #41068

      Duck,

      I think everyone here understands Derek’s position, and appreciates the community he’s created. We’re just poking a little fun at him. Closed circuit to Derek, why don’t you just put some ads up. That way, putting up with this drama, as you’ve described it, will be somewhat worth your while. You’ve created a successfull and active website. Roll with it and make some cash.

      Now onto Duck. I have to agree with delmonte. You are trying WAY too hard to prove to everyone that you’re ‘smart’. Your posts aren’t clever. Your posts aren’t cohesive. You don’t seem to have a point, or if you do, you certainly aren’t getting it across. If I had to guess, I’d probably put you in the LD category with Theo. I’m sure you’ve done a great job overcoming this, but it would really make the group sparkle if you went ahead and took the extra 30 minutes the proctor affords you.

      @Duck wrote:

      @delmonte wrote:

      so you told everyone not to incriminate themselves until your investigation. then you tell everyone to grow up. then you tell everyone you are going to take your ball and go home. then you tell everyone to grow up again. sounds like someone here is acting like a 12 year old, and its not wonderboy.

      No dear, I’m afraid you have it all wrong.

      It’s more akin to when you are over at Mac’s, whining about the last of the skotchguard being huffed, screeching on about leprechauns and your hoit-a-toit derrier is thrown back out onto the street.

      Yes, he may have the cheapest meth prices on the block, but it is still his abode (at least until the landlord catches up with his receivables) and you do not have free reign over the place.

    • #41069
      maverick1
      Member

      just ask for some of duck’s friends (major gowen maybe) to come back and then we’ll have some very coherent posts……just check the miaa forum

    • #41070

      Fear not, dear ladies! I at least have returned from m’Flemish anabasis, and shall reacquaint m’self with affairs while teckin’ a rest in th’Fens. Doc Linstead warned that an immediate return ter English normality after a sojourn in th’ Low Countries might lead ter m’bin tecken fer a Dutchman, so I’m using this dreary and largely invented corner er Th’innerwebbin’ ter acclimatise m’self – rather liker diver emergin’ graderally frommer marine trench.

      Which reminds me er Capt Hastings “Marine” Trench, as was almost awarded th’DSO fer almost haltin’ a Kandahari cavalry charge by invitin’ them orl ter dinner.

      Happy days,

      Major

    • #41071
      Duck
      Member

      Ah Major, what fortuitous timing as I find myself besieged on all fronts by what appears to be the rejects from the casting call of High School Musical, I fear nightmares rife with Noxzema commercials and after school specials (I jest, they are taken about as seriously as Hawkings takes dance lessons).

      Glad to hear of your return from the low countries. As the miserable dutch are wont to say, De duivel schijt altijd op de grootste hoop; and to Quote Timothy, keep fighting the good fight!

    • #41072

      @Duck wrote:

      … I jest, they are taken about as seriously as Hawkings takes dance lessons.

      I can’t even begin to fathom how that could be funny. One of the greatest scientists of our time and you disrespect him like that. Sad. Just sad.

    • #41073
      Duck
      Member

      My apologies, old sod: I am sure Hawkings takes dance lessons very seriously.

    • #41074

      Apology accepted.

      Just for the record it’s Hawking, not Hawkings.

    • #41075
      The Treat
      Member

      @String Theorist wrote:

      @Duck wrote:

      … I jest, they are taken about as seriously as Hawkings takes dance lessons.

      I can’t even begin to fathom how that could be funny. One of the greatest scientists of our time and you disrespect him like that. Sad. Just sad.

      he’s actually not that great, people just think he is. there are plenty of people who have done more for physics than him. smarter than me? no argument there, but as far as what he has done for the field of physics, his record is above average at best.

    • #41076

      @The Treat wrote:

      he’s actually not that great, people just think he is. there are plenty of people who have done more for physics than him. smarter than me? no argument there, but as far as what he has done for the field of physics, his record is above average at best.

      No disagreement there, but it’s rather hard to contend with the likes of Einstein, Planck, Rutherford, etc. which is why I threw in the “of our time” clause. While I agree that there are much better scientists in day & age, I propose a simple elementary school style analogy:

      Hawking : Einstein :: Duck : A good author (say, Hemingway or Shakespeare)

      They can imitate all they want, but at the end of the day it just doesn’t make you say, “wow!”.

    • #41077

      Hmm, as a physics nerd, I must point out that Hawking has revolutionized astrophysics, especially in conceptualizing black holes. Recall Hawking Radiation?

    • #41078
      Look Up
      Member

      backstroker02 is right,

      Most of what we know about black holes is thanks to Hawking.

      Also of note is Hawking’s quest to popularize science. He is well known for publishing scientifically based books written for a non-scientific audience. He

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