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    • #12740
      gomez2354
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      So, the rumor (apparently confirmed by some CW swimmers) is that Phelps has a broken wrist. I suppose this injury isn’t as damaging for him as it would be for us D3 swimmers, due to the amount of money and professional staff that tend to him, but still, this most likely will set him back in training a bit.

      I think regardless of any injuries, phelps will still crush at trials this summer.

    • #39636

      Any word on how it happened?

    • #39637
      silentp
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    • #39638

      @swimmingworldmagazine.com wrote:

      … Phelps has a slight crack to a bone in his wrist, incurred over the weekend when Phelps stumbled getting out of a car.

      Hmmmmm, seems like Phelps always has problems after he “stumbled getting out of car”. Slight run-in with the law ringing any bells?

    • #39639
      3 6 Mafia
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      so he will be kicking some of the sets. i dont think his send offs will change, seeing how he did a t3000 in under 30 minutes.

    • #39640

      @3 6 Mafia wrote:

      i dont think his send offs will change, seeing how he did a t3000 in under 30 minutes.

      That’s just incredible….. Do you think that we’ve actually seen all the Phelps has to give to the sport? Or is he still a few years, and multiple world records, away from his peak?

    • #39641
      Chris Knight
      Member

      Those are 2 different questions. Have we seen all that he can give? Certainly not. After Beijing I believe he will drop the 400 IM permanently and begin to focus more on sprinting. This means he could still win a slew of golds in London. If Chicago gets the ’12 games then I think he’ll train for that as well, probably just for the 1 and 2 frees (I believe he’ll have the WR in the 1 free by that time). So he has a lot more left in the tank.

      As to whether he’s at his peak, I think Beijing will mark that. He probably won’t be able to go after 8 golds in London so Beijing will represent his peak by default, even though I think he’ll push some of his records much further by the time he retires.

    • #39642

      08 is not going to be Phelps’ peak unless he retires. He’s going to be 23 years old in Beijing. Knowing what we know now about athletic peaks, it only stands to reason that the London Olympics will be his best Olympics, especially if he moves to the sprints. He’ll be 27 (arguably in peak athletic range for males) and will most likely dominate.

    • #39643

      @screeeeeeeeech wrote:

      08 is not going to be Phelps’ peak unless he retires. He’s going to be 23 years old in Beijing. Knowing what we know now about athletic peaks, it only stands to reason that the London Olympics will be his best Olympics, especially if he moves to the sprints. He’ll be 27 (arguably in peak athletic range for males) and will most likely dominate.

      I don’t think anyone thinks that he will physically peak next year – I think the real question is if mentally he can keep this level of swimming up for another 4… or 8 years. He’s been at the international level for 7 years already. Thorpe couldn’t do it.

    • #39644

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      I believe he will drop the 400 IM permanently and begin to focus more on sprinting.

      i dont think his freestyle is good enough for a sprint event. he carries so much emphasis on the 2 stroke/12 beat cycle in his 200 that speeding up his stroke count per length would be awkward. im not saying he wont be good at it, i just think hes gonna need to do a hell of a lot of work to undo the technique he has now.

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOI1AvhgVKY

      if you look at jones and walker, they dont pause as much as phelps. id say, if he converts to 100free, it wont be as impressive as any other of his events.

    • #39645
      silentp
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      While wickedfoolish may be right, Phelps had the fastest 100 free at World Champs from leading off the 400 FR… he only got 1 crack at it, not 2-3, and had the fastest time of the meet. I would say that for someone who doesn’t concentrate on it, that could only improve. I also think he will anchor the 400 MR in China.

    • #39646
      Chris Knight
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      He’s within 6 tenths of the world record in the 100 free and is 10th all time, and it’s his 6th highest priority event! I’d say his stroke has worked pretty well for him so far. Plus we’ve seen over the years that he’s certainly willing to retool in order to get better. Dropping the 4 IM is going to give him a lot more options.

    • #39647
      gomez2354
      Member

      so, you’re saying that the first dude under 1:44 in the 200 and fastest freestyle split in both IM’s isn’t strong enough at free to be a sprinter?

      i mean, weren’t thorpes reccords “unbreakable” 3 years ago?

    • #39648
      WCSwmFan
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      @RhymeAndReason wrote:

      I don’t think anyone thinks that he will physically peak next year – I think the real question is if mentally he can keep this level of swimming up for another 4… or 8 years. He’s been at the international level for 7 years already. Thorpe couldn’t do it.

      Swimming is a completly different animal is Australia than it is here, Thorpe was a national celebrity, everyone knew him, Phelps is huge in the swimming world but outside of it he really isn’t all that known. I think it will be much eaiser for Phelps to stay at a high level here in the US than it was for Thorpe to stay at a high level down under

    • #39649

      @WCSwmFan wrote:

      @RhymeAndReason wrote:

      I don’t think anyone thinks that he will physically peak next year – I think the real question is if mentally he can keep this level of swimming up for another 4… or 8 years. He’s been at the international level for 7 years already. Thorpe couldn’t do it.

      Swimming is a completly different animal is Australia than it is here, Thorpe was a national celebrity, everyone knew him, Phelps is huge in the swimming world but outside of it he really isn’t all that known. I think it will be much eaiser for Phelps to stay at a high level here in the US than it was for Thorpe to stay at a high level down under

      Regardless of where swimming is more popular, being at the top can wear someone down. He really has not been challenged in his best events (except the 100 fly), so if no one is pushing you, you have the records, what is there to shoot for. Perhaps he wants the backstroke records and to get back the 100 fly record. Motivation can be a tricky thing (especially what it takes to stay at a top level). Some people wake up one day and like a light switch, it is just turned off, never to come back.

    • #39650
      swim5599
      Member

      There is no reason in the world why he could not end up the world record holder in the 100 free. If the argument is that there is more gallop in his stroke the same can be said to a point with Lezak. And there is no doubt in my mind who will end up the better 100 freestyler. Phelps will probably end his career in the 47 mid range in the 100.

    • #39651

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Phelps will probably end his career in the 47 mid range in the 100.

      I do not see Phelps breaking 48, since only two men ever have (I think there are only 3 swims total under 48). However, Phelps has been changing what people used to think was possible.

    • #39652
      swim5599
      Member

      I am not talking about this year, but in the future. I mean we are talking about 4 tenths of a second, for a guy that dropped almost 2 seconds in the 200 fly just last year. With him anything is possible.

    • #39653

      I figured you meant by the end of his career.

    • #39654
      swim5599
      Member

      So you don’t think he can drop at least 4 tenths in his 100 freestyle between now and the end of his career?

    • #39655
      Chris Knight
      Member

      I mean, come on, he dropped 4 tenths between August of last year and March of this year! Of course there’s a point of diminishing returns, but if we assume he’s going to swim through at least London then there’s no way he doesn’t go a 47.

    • #39656

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      I mean, come on, he dropped 4 tenths between August of last year and March of this year! Of course there’s a point of diminishing returns, but if we assume he’s going to swim through at least London then there’s no way he doesn’t go a 47.

      Totally agree. I don’t know why people think he’s amazing at the long distance stuff, but he won’t drop time when he focuses on the short stuff… Or even when he just swims the 100 a few more times, without even changing focus.

    • #39657
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Thorpe quit improving when he quit being hungry. It Looking back, the writing was on the wall for Thorpe to quit. Remember when he swam the 200 IM at worlds?

      As long as this doesn’t happen to Phelps then he is a a safe bet to go a 47 mid.

      PS: Thorpe will come back in 2-3 years

    • #39658
      CaseBrst10
      Member

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      Those are 2 different questions. Have we seen all that he can give? Certainly not. After Beijing I believe he will drop the 400 IM permanently and begin to focus more on sprinting. This means he could still win a slew of golds in London. If Chicago gets the ’12 games then I think he’ll train for that as well, probably just for the 1 and 2 frees (I believe he’ll have the WR in the 1 free by that time). So he has a lot more left in the tank.

      As to whether he’s at his peak, I think Beijing will mark that. He probably won’t be able to go after 8 golds in London so Beijing will represent his peak by default, even though I think he’ll push some of his records much further by the time he retires.

      Phelps and Bowman has said numerous times that he won’t swim competitively past the age of 30, so that means London is it for him. ’12 would put him at 31. Now, he could always go back on this word, but for now, he seems pretty intense about not swimming in ’12

    • #39659
      maverick1
      Member

      didn’t thorpe also have a few injuries that sidelined him for quite a bit during his final 3 years of competition? i think that there are too many intangibles that come into play when predicting phelp’s athletic future, but i do also believe that there’s pretty much nothing stopping him from being great at the 100 free, except the pesky 400IM

    • #39660
      maverick1
      Member

      and by great, i mean olympic champ

    • #39661
      Chris Knight
      Member

      @CaseBrst10 wrote:

      Phelps and Bowman has said numerous times that he won’t swim competitively past the age of 30, so that means London is it for him. ’12 would put him at 31. Now, he could always go back on this word, but for now, he seems pretty intense about not swimming in ’12

      I haven’t read anything that suggests he’ll shoot for the ’16 games, but I have a hunch that if they’re in Chicago he’ll consider it. The chance to swim in an Olympics in front of home fans just seems like something that would be hard for him to resist, even at 31. And I think Chicago’s bid is going to win. But if the games go to one of the other candidates then you’re right, he will probably not swim.

    • #39662
      silentp
      Member

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      And I think Chicago’s bid is going to win. But if the games go to one of the other candidates then you’re right, he will probably not swim.

      You probably saw this, but in case you didn’t, the last time the IOC said anything publicly about it, Chicago was in a “distant third”, behind Madrid and someone else.

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