MID SEASON MEETS

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    • #12855
      BuddytheElf
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      Since you all have really gotten off track, I thought I would start this topic to see what everyone thinks about the upcoming mid season meets for everyone. I think Hope goes to Wheaton, K and Calvin go to EMU,& Olivet and Alma go to DePauw. Rumor has it Albion won’t be attending Wheaton because of finals(Exams) the following week. How fast will the MIAA go? predictions….

    • #41330
      silentp
      Member

      Booms will impress everyone, as he has all season.

      K’s freshmen will not disappoint.

      Dekker will have his best midseason meet of his college career.

      Olivet will have a few surprise swims from their unknowns.

      King will be much faster than Wheaton last year.

      Krone will swim across Lake Michigan instead of going to Wheaton… and still take it out fast.

      K will be ranked first in one of the freestyle relays (but it’s only midseason).

      RVZ will have at least 1 PR.

      K won’t be top 2 in a medley this year after midseason.

      Those are my predictions.

    • #41331
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Hope will be faster than last year, they will been solid across the team w/ more than a few standout swims.

      I know this part will go unnoticed but alma will put up a couple swims that might turn some heads.

      Olivet will be faster than last years midseason ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #41332
      El Duderino
      Member

      Bob-o McNabb will shave his beard, chest and back, and miraculously be 45 pounds lighter.

    • #41333
      iamdonovan
      Member

      It’s probably closer to 60 pounds, truth be told. I haven’t shaved my beard in about a week.

    • #41334
      El Duderino
      Member

      OK, I guess its 60 lbs if you count the squirrels and chipmunks that have nested in there.

    • #41335
      Stevo
      Member

      My predictions….

      Kzoo- They will swim well as usual at this meet. The freshman will have some good swims, but i do think espinosa won’t be as fast as expected.

      Olivet- This will be the first time we’ll get a chance what a totally different training style has done for Olivet with a little rest. I think we see good things are some impressive swims from Meisner, Jaffe, Koji, Powers, and a little known freshman named Rick Kinsey.

      Alma- will have some suprising swims with a little consistency in the program.

      Albion- Well if they arent going to Wheaton are they going anywhere? If they do i think Paul Krone starts to show that he will never be faster than he was last year. Gunderson will still be 21 mid to high, and 48.0 in the 100.

      Calvin- I dont’ really know anything about Calvin this year…JBG will be solid because he is a senior but the rest of the team is pretty mediocre.

      Hope- I think you will see some fast swims for Hope. They typically swim descent at Wheaton but nothing spectacular. The 400 free realy will be 3:05 mid or faster, and the 200 FR will be under 1:24.2. RVZ will be the top seed for the 50 and 100 free at the league meet. Brandon King will swim faster than expected, and Wade Engers will have a good meet. Heyboer, Rose and Nelis will all swim descent but nothing incredible. Swim of the meet for Hope will be one of Hope’s medley relays without heyboer.

    • #41336
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      I believe the word you were looking for Stevo was “decent,” not descent. Note the removal of the “s.” Regardless, i think your Hope analysis is pretty accurate. I think a lot of olivet’s guys will be slower though.

    • #41337
      maverick1
      Member

      i actually think olivet will swim quite well, a lot of taper has to do with the mentality that it is time to swim a lot faster and these guys don’t really have years of expectations to base their mentality towards the meet off of. I think they’ll be pretty psyched going in and will come out with some fast times.

      hope will do the usual, some good swims, some ok. they’ll probably rest about 75%-90% as much as kzoo and will probably have some ok relay times [3:07.5 in the 400 free relay and 1:24.5 or so in the 200 free relay]

      kzoo will also do the usual, many good swims, some ok. i’d look for some nice swims out of ellis, the freshmen and booms. the medley relays will be quite solid and will swim some pretty good times [3:27 400 medley, 1:33 200 med]

      albion- gunderson and krone [if they have a meet] will swim pretty well, krone will get a pair of b cuts and gunderson will be about 21.5 and 47.9

      calvin- who the hell knows

      alma- look for the team to really push for the haggis tent after this meet. they’ll swim about 1000 times better than in the past.

    • #41338
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Wow, 1000 times better, I wish I had known before about the Haggis we might have beat Albion.

    • #41339
      Stevo
      Member

      Nasty Natti thanks for the spelling/grammar lesson. I frequently post without reading what i wrote, seemingly leading to mistakes.

      This is a larger prediction than the mid season meets but i predict that the MIAA coach of the year will go to someone affiliated with Hope College.

    • #41340
      iamdonovan
      Member

      That’s not really that bold of a prediction when you consider that 3 out of 6 coaches in the league are affiliated, in one way or another, with Hope.

      I predict that the Haggis tent will prove to be the greatest idea of all time. On that note, has anyone read a certain journal article pertaining to the Haggis (a small furry creature which can be found on Scottish mountainsides)? I have a copy of the article somewhere, if’n anyone is interested.

    • #41341
      Stevo
      Member

      That’s not really that bold of a prediction when you consider that 3 out of 6 coaches in the league are affiliated, in one way or another, with Hope.

      I liked the odds.

    • #41342
      El Duderino
      Member

      Can I please get some credit for suggesting the Haggis Tent? Its all I ask…

    • #41343
      stewie
      Member

      Olivet- I think Wheatley and Maxwell will be the standouts for Olivet. I expect significant time drops from how they have performed thus far.

      K- Fleming, Booms, and Dekker should be the highlights. I’m not sure what got into Bazzell at the Hope v. K meet but he could be 47 in the 100 this weekend.

      Hope- Hope’s 4 free relay time this weekend, will probably be faster than what K posts at MIAAs. WHAT!!?? Yeah, I know I can’t believe I said it either. But their 3:06 last yr with Kurti, RVZ, Rose, and CVB should be faster with the addition of Nelis.

      Who posts faster times this weekend??
      200 fr- CVB v. Fleming
      1 fly- Nelis, Dekker, or JBG
      50/100- Rose, RVZ, Gunderson, Ellis, Fleming, Bazzell
      2 bk- Heyboer v. Ellis
      2 br- Meisner v. Booms

      2IM- Dekker v. Heyboer
      2 fly- Yury, Koji, Dekker, Nelis

    • #41344
      Barack
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Who posts faster times this weekend??
      200 fr- CVB v. Fleming
      1 fly- Nelis, Dekker, or JBG
      50/100- Rose, RVZ, Gunderson, Ellis, Fleming, Bazzell
      2 bk- Heyboer v. Ellis
      2 br- Meisner v. Booms

      2IM- Dekker v. Heyboer
      2 fly- Yury, Koji, Dekker, Nelis

      200 fr: More of CVB’s distance. 1. CVB 2. Fleming

      1 fl: I’d be more comfortable picking Nelis if this was March. 1. Dekker 2. Nelis 3. JBG

      50: Hope sprint factory

      100: Hope sprint factory

      2 back: 1. Ellis (Duh)

      2IM: I’ll pick Dekker just because of how unpredictable the Hope taper can be.

      2fly: Dekker.

      2br: Booms will be sub 2:10…who know’s where Meisner will be.

      I look for kzoo to be quick while Hope should be their typical hit and miss. The guys that hit though tend to be very good. I’m really curious as to how Olivet will perform with their new coach.

    • #41345
      breakdancer
      Member

      Who posts faster times this weekend??
      200 fr- CVB v. Fleming
      1 fly- Nelis, Dekker, or JBG
      50/100- Rose, RVZ, Gunderson, Ellis, Fleming, Bazzell
      2 bk- Heyboer v. Ellis
      2 br- Meisner v. Booms

      2IM- Dekker v. Heyboer
      2 fly- Yury, Koji, Dekker, Nelis

      200 free- CVB with the possiblity of Busscher
      1 fly- JBG
      50- RVZ
      100- Rose
      2Back- Ellis
      2 Breast- Booms
      2 IM- Nelis
      2 Fly- Koji
      100 Breast- Fonzi
      100 Back- Ellis
      4 IM- Heyboer
      500- Krone- Richardson if Albion doesnt have a meet
      1650 Same as 500

    • #41346
      quacker
      Member

      I could be making this up, but I thought that in the recent past Olivet didn’t taper at its midseason meet. Is that changing?

    • #41347
      The Treat
      Member

      @quacker wrote:

      I could be making this up, but I thought that in the recent past Olivet didn’t taper at its midseason meet. Is that changing?

      looking at their results from the north central invitational last year, they weren’t tapered. if there was another mid-season meet, i missed it. then again, i wouldnt taper to swim at north central either. this year they’re going to depauw, which is typically a taper meet, but they still might not taper for it.

    • #41348
      stewie
      Member

      quaker wrote:

      I could be making this up, but I thought that in the recent past Olivet didn’t taper at its midseason meet. Is that changing?

      Maybe Facenorth could tell us?

    • #41349
      The Treat
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      quaker wrote:

      I could be making this up, but I thought that in the recent past Olivet didn’t taper at its midseason meet. Is that changing?

      Maybe Facenorth could tell us?

      i totally forgot about that… coaching change means totally different season strategy.

    • #41350
      silentp
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      Swim of the meet for Hope will be one of Hope’s medley relays without heyboer.

      Is this a B relay? Why else would Heyboer not be on it? It’s not like he’s going to be on the 4 or especially the 2 FR. Or will he swim so poorly they don’t put him on it? Or will he be skipping the meet for academic reasons a la Blohm (note: I don’t have issues with this, just asking)?

    • #41351
      SwexasTim
      Member

      The only reason I could see this happening is b/c Heyboer isn’t geared w/ a whole lot of giddy-up. Maybe someone else could be quicker in the 50 back, but I’m still w/ u p, not sure why he wouldn’t be on that.

      I don’t know if I’m overstepping my bounds but Olivet will probably rest for depauw.

    • #41352
      silentp
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      The only reason I could see this happening is b/c Heyboer isn’t geared w/ a whole lot of giddy-up. Maybe someone else could be quicker in the 50 back, but I’m still w/ u p, not sure why he wouldn’t be on that.

      I don’t know if I’m overstepping my bounds but Olivet will probably rest for depauw.

      Best of luck in DePauw. Do you have a list of Alma records? I wanted to see if Spencer Johnson would be breaking the backstroke this weekend, but couldn’t find them.

      Also, I’d like to see what Rose could do in a 50 back (after his performance at the K, Carthage, Hope meet), but on the B. I realize Heyboer doesn’t have a ton of get-up and go, but he was 24.7 last year at MIAAs, which is pretty good.

    • #41353
      Stevo
      Member

      swexas picked up at what i was laying down. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Mitch Ruch on the front end of the 200 Medley because Phil doesn’t have the sprint speed. If you are going to expirement this is the meet to do so. Ultimately I think Heyboer will be on the relay at the end of the year, but i could also see Mitch Ruch having a breakout year and having a nice 50 back.

    • #41354
      Stevo
      Member

      Rose is another decent option for backstroke on the 200 medley. Then he is sitting the 800 FR. You need rose on the end of the 400 MR with a 45 low, but with Vogelzang you don’t need him for the 200. Rose/King/Nelis/Vogelzang could be a pretty descent relay. Good point P.

    • #41355
      maverick1
      Member

      i see ruch leading off the b 200 medley at wheaton, mostly because heyboer will be on the relay at miaas and they’ll want to do a true runtrough of the relays at wheaton to make sure that they’ll pick up on any issues with starts or anything else before the close matchup between them an olivet at miaas (team wise, although some of the relays will be close)

    • #41356
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      Way to donk off your predictions there breakdancer. You’re a red fish

      If Koji wins the 200 fly ill laugh
      If nelis wins the 200im i will be surprised
      if JBG wins the 100 fly, ill be shocked
      CVB>Fleming>Busscher

      If krone doesnt rest, then one of the olivet dudes will take it down bra

      K’s 200 FR goes sub 1:24, beats Hope

    • #41357
      Jimmy
      Member

      @Nasty Natti wrote:

      K’s 200 FR goes sub 1:24, beats Hope

      That’s averaging 21.0 just so you know. With a lead off leg, there is no way K is able to do this.

    • #41358
      breakdancer
      Member

      Way to donk off your predictions there breakdancer. You’re a red fish

      If Koji wins the 200 fly ill laugh
      If nelis wins the 200im i will be surprised
      if JBG wins the 100 fly, ill be shocked
      CVB>Fleming>Busscher

      If krone doesnt rest, then one of the olivet dudes will take it down bra

      K’s 200 FR goes sub 1:24, beats Hope

      I was just try to see if anyone thought it was possible, and try to get some other discussion other than K wont beat hope in a freelay

    • #41359
      silentp
      Member

      @Jimmy wrote:

      @Nasty Natti wrote:

      K’s 200 FR goes sub 1:24, beats Hope

      That’s averaging 21.0 just so you know. With a lead off leg, there is no way K is able to do this.

      True that .2 drops in the 50 are nearly impossible… unless you go to Hope.

      @breakdancer wrote:

      Way to donk off your predictions there breakdancer. You’re a red fish

      If Koji wins the 200 fly ill laugh
      If nelis wins the 200im i will be surprised
      if JBG wins the 100 fly, ill be shocked
      CVB>Fleming>Busscher

      If krone doesnt rest, then one of the olivet dudes will take it down bra

      K’s 200 FR goes sub 1:24, beats Hope

      I was just try to see if anyone thought it was possible, and try to get some other discussion other than K wont beat hope in a freelay

      The only one that really stuck out as dumb was the 200 fly. I’d be shocked if he’s faster than Nelis or Dekker, let alone both. JBG could be fastest at the end of the season, but they historically have rested the least of the MIAA teams (with the exception of Olivet, but this year, Olivet could be included).

    • #41360
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Vogelzang takes the 50 and 100, nelis will be the quickest in the 1 fly, dekker will win the im, jrich will be sub 5:50, Fleming will have the quickest 200. Ellis will have the fastest 2 back, but eventually Heyboer is going to figure that race out and it will be exciting.

    • #41361
      iamdonovan
      Member

      I would hope that Richardson will be faster than 5:50 in the 500. I mean, I’m faster than 5:50 in-season, so I’m just sayin’… you’re setting your expectations a little low.

    • #41362
      SwexasTim
      Member

      I was talking about his mile. But seriously jrich will be sub 4:50

    • #41363
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Sub-5:50 in the mile is super impressive… is he going to be running alongside the pool? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #41364
      maverick1
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      Ellis will have the fastest 2 back, but eventually Heyboer is going to figure that race out and it will be exciting.

      i’m going to have to go ahead an “call you out” on this one…..an explanation is all i’m asking for

      yes the kid goes out quick when racing ellis, but then again, that would be more of him figuring out how to race in general than just figuring out this race….

    • #41365
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      I imagine Ellis is the one who will best improve on his 200 back strategy. As one can count the number of times hes swam in it on both hands.

    • #41366
      SwexasTim
      Member

      ok real quick before I leave for depauw, for not having much giddy-up heyboer has a ridiculous turnover that ends up hurting him on the back end of his 2 back, when he figures out how to speed up his 2nd 100 w/out turning over like a windmill in a hurricane we will see a good time drop out of him putting him right where he needs to be to make his races w/ ellis very exciting.

      I’m taking anything away from Ellis, just saying when Heyboer gets it, when it really clicks for him, that race will be exciting.

      Well not sure when I will be on again, probably play catch up on sunday, see ya kids and good luck to all this weekend.

    • #41367
      maverick1
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      like a windmill in a hurricane

      are you talking about silentp or heyboer?

      ahh, just kidding, i had to mention that this is exactly how our favorite executive team member used to swim backstroke

    • #41368
      stewie
      Member

      Just curious what is K’s school record in the 2 fr relay? I’d assume it’s under 1:24, but I don’t think they have had a lot of relays under 1:24. I think it’s ridiculous to think K could break 1:24 at this time of year. I don’t Hope will break 1:24 either this weekend.

      K
      Ellis 21.2
      Fleming 21.0
      Greiner 20.8
      Bazzell/Fonsy??- 21.0
      1:24.0
      This is how it could happen, but these times look like MIAA/Nat times not midseason.

      Did Ellis swim the 2 bk last yr at Eastern? If so, what he go? Sorry, can’t remember. Is he going to swim the 1 fly this weekend? If so, could he post the fastest time?

    • #41369
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      I dont believe he swam the 200 back last year he did the 50 100 free and 100 back

    • #41370
      Stevo
      Member

      K 200 FR record 1:24.17 set in 2002.

      K will not go under 1:24 at the Eastern meet.

    • #41371
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Just curious what is K’s school record in the 2 fr relay? I’d assume it’s under 1:24, but I don’t think they have had a lot of relays under 1:24. I think it’s ridiculous to think K could break 1:24 at this time of year. I don’t Hope will break 1:24 either this weekend.

      I agree, speed will take some time to build, but if they break 1:25, that would be great. The school record is 1:24.17.

      @stewie wrote:

      K
      Ellis 21.2
      Fleming 21.0
      Greiner 20.8
      Bazzell/Fonsy??- 21.0
      1:24.0
      This is how it could happen, but these times look like MIAA/Nat times not midseason.

      Interesting the only person who drops is Fleming, unless you are just adding up times to get the time predicted, and saying it won’t happen at midseason, then refer above where I agree.

      @stewie wrote:

      Did Ellis swim the 2 bk last yr at Eastern? If so, what he go? Sorry, can’t remember. Is he going to swim the 1 fly this weekend? If so, could he post the fastest time?

      Rudy is right, he swam the 50, 100 and 100 back. He did not swim the 800 FR either, which I hope he does this year.

      I don’t see any reason for him not to swim the 1fly here. It isn’t prelim-final so he could do the 2back, 1fly, 1back and swim the 50 exhibition. Scoring doesn’t matter much either, so they theoretically “stack” all 5 relays, exhibitioning 1.

      I expect something around a 1:53 for Ellis in the 2back. His 100 back was only 51.2 (or close) at this time last year.

    • #41372
      Low Tide
      Member

      I’ve heard rumors Ellis will swim the 100 fly at nationals, and I hope he does so — I think he has a much better chance scoring in that event. I believe he was a 51 low in high school?
      Very few D III kids come in that fast and I have to think he could push the 50.00 mark with some more focus on the fly.

      Unfortunately right now, the team needs him to be a better freestyler than flyer, but he should at least be able to swim it at nationals.

      At Eastern it would be huge to see a 50. out of Dekker with the other plethora of K flyers getting into the 52 range at midseason.

    • #41373
      silentp
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      I believe he was a 51 low in high school?

      51.0, so yes, very low 51.

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