MIAC predictions

  • This topic is empty.
Viewing 17 reply threads
  • Author
    Posts
    • #12910

      MIAC forum has been pretty slow lately, so I thought I’d throw out some early predictions for conference.

      200 FR: Olaf, GAC, UST
      400 FR: Olaf, GAC, UST
      800 FR: GAC, Olaf, UST
      200 MR: Olaf, GAC, Car
      400 MR: Olaf, GAC, Car
      50 FR: Koch, Hardy, Burgess
      100 FR: Stewart, Koch, Burgess
      200 FR: Stewart, Koch, Wi-D
      500 FR: Stewart, Hanson, Sky-Dave
      Mile: Sky-Dave, Hanson, Wi-D
      100 Br: Westby, Reinhart, Bentley
      200 Br: Marschall, Reinhart, Bentley
      100 Bk: Young, Meyer, Kirihara
      200 Bk: Meyer, Young, Kirihara
      100 Fly: Westby, Ziegler, Swenson
      200 Fly: Ziegler, Tapia-Rodriguez, Cuevas
      200 IM: Westby, Marschall, Kubat
      400 IM: Marschall, Sky-Dave, Bentley

    • #42285
      Look Up
      Member

      100 Free: I’d say it’s a toss up between Koch and Stewart in the 100, by best times right now it would go to Koch, but Stewart is traditionally a better taper swimmer, any chance he isn’t completely tapered for conference? I don’t think anyone can really predict who will win this one.

      I think either Stewart or Hanson will swim the 200 Fly instead of the 500 free, Gustavus has more depth in the 500 than the 200 fly, and it would be helpful to 1-2 the 200 fly, because they could probably still 1-2-3 the 500 free

      100 Back, I go with Recher over Kirihara. Recher has proven he’s back in good form.

      Other than that I have no real arguments that I can say are free from personal bias.

    • #42286
      silentp
      Member

      @Look Up wrote:

      but Stewart is traditionally a better taper swimmer, any chance he isn’t completely tapered for conference?

      No, he isn’t even borderline for getting into NCAAs individually and will need to help get GAC relays in (I think they will get the 800 and 400 in, but not without great swims by Stewart).

    • #42287

      @silentp wrote:

      @Look Up wrote:

      but Stewart is traditionally a better taper swimmer, any chance he isn’t completely tapered for conference?

      No, he isn’t even borderline for getting into NCAAs individually and will need to help get GAC relays in (I think they will get the 800 and 400 in, but not without great swims by Stewart).

      Agreed. However JC tapered Stewart last year, he should just do the same thing. Amazing swims at conference followed by even more amazing swims at nats. That’s pretty much the best case scenario.

      Chapel, I agree with your predictions. But I think Meyer will take Young in the 100 back.

    • #42288

      Koch and Stewart will be close, but I think Stewart would be the favorite in a head-to-head race.

      As for Stewart and the 200 fly, I was assuming he would not swim this since it is a couple of events after the 100 free and right before the 400 FR.

      I know there is time between the events, but I imagine the 100 will take a lot out of him, and it would make a grueling race like the 200 fly that much harder. Also, if the 400 FR is on the bubble, Head Coach Carlson might want to make sure Stewart is at his top level for that race in hopes of it getting in to nats.

      Meyer has been a 51.89 this year (tapered I assume since he was a 52.36 at conference last year), and Young was a 51.80 in hike school. This could be a good test of coach Bob Pearson. I’m thinking he’ll do a good job with Young, and Young will bust off a 51-low, while I’m assuming Meyer stays right around that 51-high range.

      Of course, if Young ruins his taper by joining one of the numerous protests on the Mac campus, all bets are off.

      Any thoughts on what Westby swims? I assumed he wouldn’t do the 200 BR at conference (knocks down his own teammates), but he might do it at nats (instead of the 100 fly).

    • #42289

      One more thing on Young…

      I looked up a random in-season meet from last year, and he was a 53.51 (on 4/1/07). On 5/19/07 (at State) he was a 51.80.

      Considering he is a 53.23 at this point this year, I’d say he’s on pace to better his 51.80 from last year.*

      *He was a 52.95 in prelims at State I found… he could very well have dogged the last few yards though considering he was sure to make finals.

      If you would have told me 8 years ago I’d be Googling hike school swim times, I’d have told you to kill me right there… or at least waterboard me.

    • #42290
      Look Up
      Member

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      Any thoughts on what Westby swims? I assumed he wouldn’t do the 200 BR at conference (knocks down his own teammates), but he might do it at nats (instead of the 100 fly).

      I did the math and Olaf would lose points is Wesbty swims 200 instead of 100. But I do think that he will swim 200 at Nats. Then he gets one event a day, which would increase his chances for 3 titles.

    • #42291

      Nate Young is a huge test for Pearson. He’s never had a swimmer this good at Macalester. I’d say never having a top tier swimmer in your program is a real problem, and speaks poorly towards your ability to recruit. Once you finally get one, I’d hope you’d be able to make them better.

      Which leads to…

      Do swim coaches ever get fired? Or do AD’s just care about basketball, football, hockey, and baseball. I know the head ball coach at UST just got canned for having a crappy season. Do swim coaches ever get the boot?

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      Koch and Stewart will be close, but I think Stewart would be the favorite in a head-to-head race.

      As for Stewart and the 200 fly, I was assuming he would not swim this since it is a couple of events after the 100 free and right before the 400 FR.

      I know there is time between the events, but I imagine the 100 will take a lot out of him, and it would make a grueling race like the 200 fly that much harder. Also, if the 400 FR is on the bubble, Head Coach Carlson might want to make sure Stewart is at his top level for that race in hopes of it getting in to nats.

      Meyer has been a 51.89 this year (tapered I assume since he was a 52.36 at conference last year), and Young was a 51.80 in hike school. This could be a good test of coach Bob Pearson. I’m thinking he’ll do a good job with Young, and Young will bust off a 51-low, while I’m assuming Meyer stays right around that 51-high range.

      Of course, if Young ruins his taper by joining one of the numerous protests on the Mac campus, all bets are off.

      Any thoughts on what Westby swims? I assumed he wouldn’t do the 200 BR at conference (knocks down his own teammates), but he might do it at nats (instead of the 100 fly).

    • #42292
      wonderboy33
      Member

      One of the problems with Young at Macalester is that he has no one to train with. In fact, my guess is that he had more talent around him on his high school team. Theoretically he should be able to go around 51.5 or so, given his taper from last year. It’s a whole different ball game now. He’s going to have to step up with the support of around 10 mathletes behind him. My money is on Meyer. It should be close though.

    • #42293
      Monti
      Member

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      One of the problems with Young at Macalester is that he has no one to train with. In fact, my guess is that he had more talent around him on his high school team. Theoretically he should be able to go around 51.5 or so, given his taper from last year. It’s a whole different ball game now. He’s going to have to step up with the support of around 10 mathletes behind him. My money is on Meyer. It should be close though.

      Keep in mind Young had to have some idea that he was not going to have a lot of talent around him at Macalester. Either he is 100% comfortable training on his own or he really loves protesting Israeli occupation of Palestine.

    • #42294

      I think Pearson having Young is a huge recruiting chip, and hopefully he takes advantage of it. Most people who go to Mac probably do not have swimming on their mind. But maybe with Young, he can get some really smart kids who swim to check out the school.

      Go to the state meet and tell a 58 breast stroker who got a 36 on his ACT
      that Nate Young and him could bring Mac into a new era of swimming… and he’ll have a top level education. Throw in the new pool, and that 36 ACT kid might apply to Mac versus going to Carleton or Cornell or wherever.

    • #42295

      @Monti wrote:

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      One of the problems with Young at Macalester is that he has no one to train with. In fact, my guess is that he had more talent around him on his high school team. Theoretically he should be able to go around 51.5 or so, given his taper from last year. It’s a whole different ball game now. He’s going to have to step up with the support of around 10 mathletes behind him. My money is on Meyer. It should be close though.

      Keep in mind Young had to have some idea that he was not going to have a lot of talent around him at Macalester. Either he is 100% comfortable training on his own or he really loves protesting Israeli occupation of Palestine.

      Mathlete? Gold.

      After seeing Young swim, I can say that with good coaching, he could be a 49. in the 100 back. He is easily 6’4”, skinny, and has long arms and legs. Perfect swimmer build. Anyone willing to put in 2-3 hours a day for 5-6 months has got to be dedicated.

    • #42296
      wonderboy33
      Member

      @Mac of the MIAC wrote:

      Nate Young is a huge test for Pearson. He’s never had a swimmer this good at Macalester. I’d say never having a top tier swimmer in your program is a real problem, and speaks poorly towards your ability to recruit. Once you finally get one, I’d hope you’d be able to make them better.

      Which leads to…

      Do swim coaches ever get fired? Or do AD’s just care about basketball, football, hockey, and baseball. I know the head ball coach at UST just got canned for having a crappy season. Do swim coaches ever get the boot?

      You also asked in another forum how difficult it is to get a D3 Job. I actually applied for one of the local job openings a while back and never even received a call or an interview. The local program in question is a crappy program to say the least. I guess I wasn’t completely serious about it but I figured I would see what it was all about.

      I don’t know what AD’s are looking for when hiring and firing. I don’t think they have a clue about what makes a successful swim coach. The most important aspect in getting hired seems to be coaching in any capacity at the college level. You could be a volunteer assistant and that would suffice. I think particularly at the D3 Level, coaches will never get fired, regardless of record.

      I believe the new facility had something to do with Macalester finally getting a decent swimmer. Now that they have the new facility and the decent swimmer, the ball should start rolling a bit. It happened with SJU back in the day.

    • #42297

      Wonderboy33, did you have a masters? I know a lot of DIII schools want their coaches to have masters. Others want them to be certified in everything to be an aquatics director.

    • #42298

      Here are my thoughts….

      First of all i think these are some pritty fair predictions minus UST getting 3rd in the 800 free relay. i think SJU has the best shot at 3rd in that relay and if i couldn’t pick them i’d put my money on carlton. I just dont’ think t. Mullee, johnson, and moore can pull it off in that relay.

      Next Carlton is going to be pushed in the 2 med by UST and maybe SJU if they get their act together.

      I think stewart will swim the 200 fly simply because they could still 1 2 3 the 500 and by swimming the 200 fly i’m betting he can still win and if not he gets second to ziegler

      finally, Kubat getting 3rd in the 200 IM after being gone for a whole semester? I question that one.

    • #42299

      @Its all an ACT wrote:

      Wonderboy33, did you have a masters? I know a lot of DIII schools want their coaches to have masters. Others want them to be certified in everything to be an aquatics director.

      So I couldn’t land a job based on my witty d3 posts, 3 years of being a lifeguard without losing my pale goth complexion, and a blistering 1:43 in the 200 free? Do you even put your times on your resume? I once saved a kid from almost drowning under the water mushroom at the Winona Aquatic Centre. Would that be something I put on my resume, or brought up during the interview?

    • #42300

      I know Carleton fired their baseball coach (Bill Nelson) a few years ago when they switched to the “all coaches must have their masters” rule. The guy had been there like 15 years or something I think.

      I still think for Stewart it comes down the 100 free or the 200 fly… not the 500 free or the 200 fly.

      Carleton could put up some solid relays… especially if Cremons rejoins the team, and/or if that Ty Martin guy joins the team. I guess he was a 22 in the 50 in high school, but played soccer first semester so he didn’t swim.

      As for UST in the 800: I think with getting Teddy Patterson from Hamline (1:48 200 free last year), and adding the freshman Moore, this is their best shot at a 3rd place of any relay.

      As for Kubat… He was in a bunch with Manley, Tapia, Pearson, and Mikkelson for returning IM-ers… and Mikkelson quit. I guess either a freshman could step in here and take 3rd, otherwise it is a toss-up with those guys and maybe Reinhart or Bentley.

      I do think Kubat will be alright at conference though. From what I heard, he was supposed to be getting back around now. If he trains over Christmas break, comes back for J-Term and trains well, there is no reason he shouldn’t be close to his times from last year. Look at Olaf at the Carthage invite… those guys tapered after like 2 months of practice (some probably swam year-round I guess) and lots of guys had really good drops. Conference is not until Feb 14th… he’s got some time. And Head Coach Bill Saxton will probably adjust his taper accordingly.

      I missed 3 weeks in January to go to Ireland and drank the whole time. I swam the same times at conference as the year before. I think it was the Guinness.*

      *Yes, I drank in college… this is D3.

    • #42301
      wonderboy33
      Member

      @Its all an ACT wrote:

      Wonderboy33, did you have a masters? I know a lot of DIII schools want their coaches to have masters. Others want them to be certified in everything to be an aquatics director.

      No, I don’t and you make a very valid point. I’m not sure if this particular school requires it as the guy who got the job doesn’t have his Master’s (as far as I know). I think that policy sucks by the way. Coaches need to have a Master’s to be qualified to coach swimming? Or is it the fact that they are going to be teaching “Swim Coaching 101” to a bunch of athletes that need credits to stay eligible? Give me a break.

Viewing 17 reply threads
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.