MIAA line up?

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    • #12194
      BuddytheElf
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      As the MIAA meet fastly approaches, me and my elf friends are wondering what THREE EVENTS the OC, Kzoo, Calvin, Hope, Alma, Albion studs will swim?
      What will these guys swim: (might help me score out the meet)

      Ellis-50, 100, 1 back, 2 bk, 1 fly
      Fonzi-50, 2IM, 1 br, 2 br
      Dekker-4IM, 2IM, 1,2fly
      Bylina-200IM, 400IM, 2free, 2 fly
      Toll-500, 2IM, 1fly, 2fly, 200free
      Fetters-50, 1fly, 2fly, 1bk,2bk
      Heyboer-500, 2IM, 400IM, 1bk, 2bk
      Waterstone-2,4IM, 1bk, 2bk, 1,2fly
      Bacon-1fly, 2fly, 50,100, 200free
      ????
      Any others?

      I feel as though these swimmers can swim multiple events, but their events may change depending on how high their teams want to place.
      For Example:
      Should dekker swim a weak event like the (400IM) or take a chance in the 100 fly which is highly competitive?

      I think all these swimmers face the same situation. Either they swim the event that they’ve been training for or swim an event that will help the team.

    • #33526
      stiles
      Member

      While we have talked about a lot of the stuff quite a bit already, I would be interested to see what the motivation of Kzoo and Calvin are. Liek DonCheadle said already, Kzoo would have to swim out of their minds and Hope and OC would have to disqualify relays for them to be in the hunt.

      If Kzoo and Cal motivation is to place high at the league meet, I would say they are going have people swim whatever they can score the most points…no matter the training. If the motivation for K is to swim their best at nats, that may mean sacrificing some of the speed of ellis his events, the 50, 100, 1 bk, 1 fl in an effort to make the most of the national meet. That would hurt them at the leage meet because, Hope, OC and probably Cal will be down all the way at league meet. If K didn’t rest all the way and Cal swam well, is it feasible to think Cal could leap frog k?

    • #33527
      silentp
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      Nice analysis Stiles, i agree. I, however, see them tapering for MIAAs, although i could be wrong. I think they will taper with their motivation being to go into NCAAs with the fastest possible times. Those swimmers not making NCAAs will build off of this excitement and hopefully put together some PRs. I see K as clearly 3rd, without much of a chance at 4th or 2nd (or 1st for that matter). It’d be great if it was different, but right now, i don’t feel it is.

      Ellis – I’d put him in the 100 fly, 100 back and 50… but i think Kathy will put him in the 50, 100 and 100 back

      Dekker – I’d put him in the flys and 200 IM, and i think Kathy will do the same

      Fonsy – I’d put him in the breasts and 200 IM, and i think Kathy will do the same, but the 50 has a chance, especially if they want him training in the sprint lane anyway (i don’t know where he trains actually).

      Yury – this will be based on what their freshmen, who could go 400 IM or 200 free do, he will do whatever they don’t, scoring the most points possible for Olivet.

      Toll – 2fly, 500, 200… they need him training for the 200 free because that’s their chance for a relay to NCAAs (won’t happen though because it will take a 6:50-low or 6:49 this year, mark my words).

      Fetters – 100 fly, 100 back, 200 back (Stubbs is great at meet lineups, he knows how weak the 2back is).

      Heyboer – 400 IM, 200 back and his 3rd event will depend on whether they are aiming for NCAAs or winning MIAAs (niether is bad mind you), but i’d say Patnott will want the 2IM, his assistants will want the 500.

      Waterstone – 200 IM, 100 fly, 200 fly, it’s his senior year, he’ll do what he’d prefer to do and while he’d like to help the team, his better event is the 100 fly, plus training it means a shot at a medley relay with a shot at NCAAs (he also has a shot swimming breast on that relay).

      Bacon – 50, 100, 100 fly, then leads off the 800 FR for a B cut, but that’s about it.

    • #33528
      swim5599
      Member

      2 things that I would like to mention. Miaa’s along with CCIW’s are 5 weeks from the nat meet. I really think you can fully rest for conf and blast a decent training cycle for 3 weeks and taper for 2 more, and go even faster at nats. That being said I would hope that coaches in the MIAA are thinking about their nat finish over winning the conf meet. I would think you would put your fastest swimmers in their fastest events and see what happens.

    • #33529

      @swim5599 wrote:

      you can fully rest for conf and blast a decent training cycle for 3 weeks and taper for 2 more, and go even faster at nats.

      As evident from discussions in many other threads, there is not a consensus opinion on this. However, anyone who reads this forum consistently probably knows I agree with you completely.

      On a less serious note, I think Kzoo should come all the way down for the league meet because there will be no other way for me to see the best of Espinosa & Ellis, Inc. this year.

    • #33530

      While I’m on my rant, I’ll continue on this thread.

      Ellis: Points….1 back, 1 fly, 2 back. Reality….50, 1 back, 1 free
      Espinosa: 2 IM plus breasts
      Dekker: potential: 2 IM, 1 fly, 2 fly. safety points: 4 IM for 1 fly.
      Bylina: roll the dice? 2 free. safety: 4 IM. plus 2 IM and 2 fly.
      Toll: 2 fly and 2 free. 3rd….500. 4-12 could be separated by just a few seconds.
      Fetters: 1 back, 1 fly. points, 2 back. usual, 2 fly. what olivet has shown thus far, 50 free.
      Heyboer: 2 back, 4 IM. Likely, 2 IM. Why? Krone has been 4:35 this year and Heyboer hasn’t even swum the event that I’ve seen.
      Waterstone: 2 IM, 4 IM, 2 fly. Hope has backstrokers, that would be silly. It’s possible he doesn’t final the 1 fly, it’s also possible he wins it.
      Bacon: 500!!!. He’s a lock for 2nd if he wants it, yes even over Jaffee. Unless Heyboer swims it which doesn’t add up to me. 200 Free is safer for points. 100 Free. My guess is he goes 1 fly and leads off the 800 Free Relay as someone else mentioned to give himself a better shot at nats.

      Others:
      Brian Jaffee. 2 free or 4 IM?
      John Boumgarden. 1 fly or 2 free? It’s not that bad of a question.

    • #33531
      swim5599
      Member

      What is Espinosa’s best time in the 200 IM. I am sure he is probably pretty decent, but I have not seen any times on him in this event yet.

    • #33532
      stewie
      Member

      I like this idea of putting Bacon in the 500. I think he could fight for second better in the 500 than the 50. Go figure Albion could 1-2 an event. However, he seems to be more concentrated on sprinting this year and Krone will already be in it. I have also heard he is swimming the same lineup as last year (200 fr, 1 fly, 2 fly).

    • #33533
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      As evident from discussions in many other threads, there is not a consensus opinion on this.

      There is a consensus on this: 1) It is not ideal to do a full taper 5 weeks before your biggest focus meet of the season. 2) (but) Just because it is not ideal does not mean that it is impossible to swim as fast at Nationals.

    • #33534
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      I have also heard he is swimming the same lineup as last year (200 fr, 1 fly, 2 fly).

      Are you serioous? I mean, i believe you, if that’s what you heard, but that’s the dumbest lineup possible. Who does the 200 free and 1 fly, back to back? Who? It just leads to 2 unsuccessful swims.

      Bacon will not swim the 500 though, that i guarantee.

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      On a less serious note, I think Kzoo should come all the way down for the league meet because there will be no other way for me to see the best of Espinosa & Ellis, Inc. this year.

      Amen to that. I won’t be in Houston, so I really want to see some impressive times dropped in GR and a couple MIAA records be changed.

    • #33535
      swim5599
      Member

      I have seen plenty of people not rest at all for their conf meet and then fully rest for nats and not swim as well as they did in sept. I think it is ideal to come down at least a little for your conf meet. Otherwise you could run the risk of overtraining. However if you come down for conf, you are fresh for the three weeks of work you can do after. Of course this is all contingent on when your conf meet is. I use the MIAA and CCIW’s as examples because they are 5 weeks away.

    • #33536
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      I have seen plenty of people not rest at all for their conf meet and then fully rest for nats and not swim as well as they did in sept. I think it is ideal to come down at least a little for your conf meet. Otherwise you could run the risk of overtraining. However if you come down for conf, you are fresh for the three weeks of work you can do after. Of course this is all contingent on when your conf meet is. I use the MIAA and CCIW’s as examples because they are 5 weeks away.

      Coming down a little bit (what that means exactly, I don’t know. I am thinking no weights and morning practices week of) and wearing a fastskin suit for your conference meet might be a good thing for your end of season meet.

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