Men’s [now]official psyche sheet

I couldn’t pull up from that site but I was able to find it here.

Click to access 07_m3_un_ps.pdf

Looks like an absolute dog fight for the top three positions. Its so evenly matched, and enough other teams to scoop up points, that I wouldn’t be surprised if the champion scores LESS than 400 points.

Eyeballing the unofficial sheet looks like Denison has a slight edge but then again I suspect that the Emory relays will score higher than indicated on the psyche sheet and that non-sprint Kenyon swimmers will place higher than indicated.

I don’t see any favorite among the Big Three …the winner will be the team that wants it more than anyone else since I’m pretty convinced that all three coaches will have their teams phyiscally ready and no one team looks to me as if they can overpower the competition.

denison has a power on the relays, but they have 8 maybe 9 possible scorers. if they pull something off, its gonna be a miracle.

Quick trip through the psyche sheet:

19 rows of individual qualifiers = exactly 140 swimmers
12 rows of relays = exactly 63 relay only swimmers

your mileage may vary.

how many relays do they take?

@openwater wrote:

Quick trip through the psyche sheet:

19 rows of individual qualifiers = exactly 140 swimmers
12 rows of relays = exactly 63 relay only swimmers

your mileage may vary.

Hey, thanks. Sorry I was so far off: 🙄
@N Dynamite on Monday, 2/26 wrote:

I followed the NCAA guidelines – 140 individuals / 63 relay only swimmers. I’m not messing with the 22 divers – I’ll leave that up to everyone else. I was able to fill line 19…

and@N Dynamite on Monday, 2/26 wrote:

By the way – I know it seems like a lot of relays (11 in each)…I ended up with only 63 relay only swimmers, which is the sub-cap for the relays, after all relays got in at line 11

@N Dynamite wrote:

@openwater wrote:

Quick trip through the psyche sheet:

19 rows of individual qualifiers = exactly 140 swimmers
12 rows of relays = exactly 63 relay only swimmers

your mileage may vary.

Hey, thanks. Sorry I was so far off: 🙄
@N Dynamite on Monday, 2/26 wrote:

I followed the NCAA guidelines – 140 individuals / 63 relay only swimmers. I’m not messing with the 22 divers – I’ll leave that up to everyone else. I was able to fill line 19…

and@N Dynamite on Monday, 2/26 wrote:

By the way – I know it seems like a lot of relays (11 in each)…I ended up with only 63 relay only swimmers, which is the sub-cap for the relays, after all relays got in at line 11

Dr. Dynamite did a GREAT job on Monday. By my accounting adding Row 12 of relays added 2 relay only swimmers (Meyer-UWSP and Gallgaher TCNJ) – the 2 needed to get to 63.

ANyone notice that Ginder is listed down at the bottom as NT in the 500. I know he swam this event his freshmen year, any chance he actually swims this thing.

@swim5599 wrote:

ANyone notice that Ginder is listed down at the bottom as NT in the 500. I know he swam this event his freshmen year, any chance he actually swims this thing.

I did not notice. That’s REALLY interesting because (a) you are not allowed to enter a NT in a National Meet, (b) he only has 2 other individual events so means to be in this event I think, and therefore (c) if he is shuffled up into his rightful location in the 500 that will mean they need to go into row 20 to find the 140th individual swimmer.

Must be why coaches have 48 hours to make corrections between Wednesday and Friday.

He wasn’t entered in NT as strategic posturing, he really hasn’t swum it in 3 years.

you are not allowed to enter a NT in a National Meet

i’m pretty sure you can if it is a bonus swim, because there was a NT seed last year in the 50, but why would you enter an event you haven’t swam?

Any chance he just goes all 5 relays?

@swim5599 wrote:

Any chance he just goes all 5 relays?

Their relays (with him) are seeded 2,4,4,5, and 16. I would think he would rather swim any individual event than a 16th seed relay.

Even if he does not have a chance of making it back in either the 50 or the 500?

Click to access 07_m3_off_ps.pdf

From a quick scan (about 30 sec) it looks like they took a ton of relays (12, sometimes 13) and the standard for individuals (around 19). Why is this? I was thinking they’d pull 9 or 10 relays only, are there a lot of relay only swimmers?

if the relays consist of a greater number of individual qualifiers and fewer relay only guys, they can take more relays before reaching the caps…

Looking over the official psyche sheet I find that Westminster is entered supposedly in all five relays, yet Trunk is swimming 3 individual events. If so, Westminster cannot do all five relays, as they are only bringing 4 men. Maybe to get around the regulations, Trunk can wear a disguise to that 5th relay!!

23 teams sending one swimmer.
Amherst looking weaker than hope/expected
Williams looking stronger than predict… i see jhu falling to williams ( national duel meet champion runner up)

The relays go into the 13th row (exept for the CMU and USCGA relays) because many teams qualified in multiple relays. Also, teams like Denison, which qulaified in all five, have no relay-only swimmers.

Here are the numbers I got (22 teams with relays):
17 Kenyon
15 Emory
11 Williams
10 Johns Hopkins
9 Gustavus Adolphus
7 Denison
7 Washington & Lee
7 Middlebury
7 St. Olaf
7 Coast Guard
7 Grove City
7 Hope
6 TCNJ
6 NYU
6 UW Stevens Point
5 Washington U.
5 Kalamazoo
5 MIT
5 UW La Crosse
5 UC Santa Cruz
4 Merchant Marine
4 Westminster

i had Kenyon at 16. 2 relay only- marc christian and matthew jacobssen

Missed that one. Yes, Kenyon 18, with 3 relay onlys: Carruthers, Christian, and Jacobssen. Luckily that miscalculation doesn’t mess up any of those other teams on my sheet.

Carruthers is not on the list.

Your numbers are a little off. DU and JHU have 9 and Brabson is relay only.

On their 200 medley relay?

How many swimmers did Denison send to the meet last year?

OK, wow, I am way off.

Who am I missing from Denison?
Peterson Denison
Curtis Denison
Byers Denison
Geissinger Denison
Ulrich Denison
Behnke Denison
Grodecki Denison
Brabson Denison

I think they had 10 at the meet last year.

Kegan Borland
Eric Dunn
Matthew Harris
Joseph Gosselar
Douglas Huguenard
Thomas Irgens
William Misslin
Joshua Mitchell
Michael Northcutt
Kyle Packer
Alexander Rantz
Eduardo Rodriguez
Dustin Schneider
Alexander Stoyel
Blair Withington
Davis Zarins

You are missing Wes Bubb. You do know the psyche sheet lists qualifiers at the bottom right?

I’m terrible at this. I missed Packer. I think I’m going to stick with the women, since it looks like the men are sufficiently covered here, and by people who pay attention to what they’re doing. Well done, everyone.

@My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

OK, wow, I am way off.

Who am I missing from Denison?
Peterson Denison
Curtis Denison
Byers Denison
Geissinger Denison
Ulrich Denison
Behnke Denison
Grodecki Denison
Brabson Denison

I think they had 10 at the meet last year.

wes bubb, 500 and mile

@JHUBreaststroke06 wrote:

You are missing Wes Bubb. You do know the psyche sheet lists qualifiers at the bottom right?

Heh – I can hear the curses from here. : P

The one noticeable change from the Unofficial sheet is that Roy Burch (Springfield) has not been entered in the meet – he was #7 in the 100 and #15 in the 50. Paul McCloskey was not in until he just made it as a row 20 qualifier – but now Burch is out. When was Burch pulled out? – how does the 100 Free stop at 18 qualifiers when all the rest have 19 or 20 – the only way this can be is if they did the math using Burch then removed him and didn’t adjust the results – very strange. #s 19 and 20 in the 100 are already in the meet so moving the line one spot doesn’t change anything except what will be reported as the official “time it took to make the meet in 2007”.

Yea you are right. They have the NYU guy listed below as a row 20 guy when he is on row 19. Not that it changes anything but weird.

I should read all the posts. I had no idea the official psyche sheet came out. It’s been a long day. I put two of my desks together at school and took a nap during my planning period. I then continued to put the psyche sheet together after school while conferencing with one of my tenth graders on her paper. Woops.

The psyche sheet looks beautiful.

@JHUBreaststroke06 wrote:

Yea you are right. They have the NYU guy listed below as a row 20 guy when he is on row 19. Not that it changes anything but weird.

OK I got it – Lardiere *was* number 20 in the 100 Free when they did the math, they drew the line after Gross at #19, then Burch was withdrawn from the meet, then they renumbered the competitors for the 100 but did not move the line down below Lardiere – he should have gotten in to the meet for the 100. Further, Lardiere (double bubble baby) *was* number 20 in the 50 Free, just snuck into the meet as a row 20 qualifier, then Burch was withdrawn, they renumbered the 50 individuals making Lardiere #19 which doesn’t look strange because it converted the cutoff line from “after row 20” to “after row 19” which is what I was expecting. So the official “making the meet” time for the 50 is 20.90 while the time for the 100 should be 46.23 but will be reported as 46.22.

Wonder what the story is with Burch – Springfield is sending a coach and a swimmer, they had #16 and #17 place relays but those were never going to make it. Maybe he is hurt.

Based on how he was swimming in January it appears that Burch may not have tapered for his conference meet so what was going on here is anyones guess.

On the other hand the appearance that he didn’t taper could simply have been an indication that something was wrong. What if he had a problem he was trying to swim through and realized it wasn’t going to happen for him? Everyone thought he didn’t taper but maybe he did and was hurt.

where’s the diver entries….1 ET…

from hwat ive heard burch didnt swim at quite a few meets this year because he had to take care of his kid this also could be the reason he is not swimming at nationals

…..or as I have heard there may have been some issues between him and the coach/team….. who knows

OK enough speculation on this – I didn’t mean to get into his personal life – just meant to point out the most noticeable withdrawal from the Unofficial psych sheet.