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    • #12226
      Insight
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      Moderator’s comment: This was in response to the MIAA Meet and Open Records thread

      This is a good post to get some new conversation going…which records are most likely to go down???

      Relays:
      2 Medley. I don’t really see any of the other records being challenge. Possibly the 800 free by Hope, but that would be a long shot. I think that if one of the Greiner/Hennigar/Dmitruk/someone has a above average taper, they could make a run at the MIAA meet, but even that is quick.

      Indys:
      1 bk
      4IM
      500/1000/1650
      All of these Open records have a pretty good chance of going down, expecially if Heyboer ends up racing Krone in the 500. Coule they be under 4:30????
      I want to pick a few more just for the sake of conversation:
      200…with Tuuk, CVB, and Rose, it could have an outside shot.
      100 br…The longer the race, the less likely Fonzi is to break the record. I’ll say we say the fastest 50 breast split in MIAA history but no 100 breast record.

    • #33983
      silentp
      Member

      I think the 200 MR meet record will go down (big shock), but the open record will be a bit tougher. All they need is Ellis to repeat his high school times (and he’s been quicker in the 50 lately) and fonsy to do what he did on the first 50 of the 400 MR at EMU, and they break the meet record. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them break 1:32, but also wouldn’t be shocked to see them fail to break the open record.

      I see both the 500 and 1650 records going down to Krone, both the open and meet records. I think he’ll be around 4:31 in the 500 and 15:48 in the 1650.

      I think again, both the open and meet 100 back record will go down with Ellis finally breaking the 51 barrier for the MIAA (it’s been way too long).

      I don’t think the 200 will be touched, no one likely within a second of the records, and see the 200 back or 200 IM as having better shots.

      I think the 400 IM meet record will be broken but not the open.

      100 breast won’t be touched, but i agree with Insight we may see the fastest 50 split in meet history, not sure about “open” yet.

      As a side note, what are the records for fastest splits of 50s? I’d assume the fly is from either K or PBG, and the fastest K split is a tie between Robbins and Callam (to my knowledge) at 22.1. I think the 50 is Blohm’s 19.9, but what about non-TT? I’d assume it’s still from Hope, perhaps Heydeluff (dude, i butchered your name, i apologize).

    • #33984
      swim5599
      Member

      Boss went what about 24.8 at the conf meet his junior year right? I could see that going down, but no way his 100 goes down.

      Krone is getting a lot of props lately, but 4:31 might be a smidge quick. Depending on how rested he is 4:33 probably, and he may not win with that time. I think the 500 is going to be the most exciting race if Heyboer swims it.

      I also do not think the 200 meet record will be broken either. 1:40.6 is a pretty quick time, and the fastest returner has been what about 1:42.9 or so. I think that race is safe.

      Eillis should break the meet and open records in the 100 back, but I do not think we will see 1:51 out of him in the 200 back.

    • #33985
      facenorth
      Member

      I believe Boss’ best split ever was 24.36.

      If the 200 back record goes down, my money would be on Heyboer to break it, not Ellis, at this point.

    • #33986

      I agree with almost all of Pfau’s predictions for individual races.

      Kzoo’s 2 medley goes a 1:32 low. Pretty confident about that one.

      However…
      Hope’s 2 free relay breaks the meet record. 1:22 high. I know I might take some fire for this but I’ll stand by it because I honestly think that is what they will go.

      Perhaps we are banking way too much on these freshmen. I also think it is a little ridiculous to say that all of those records have a good chance of falling this year. It could be a huge disappointment for you when only one or two go down.

    • #33987
      DonCheadle
      Member

      I htink it would be cool to establish the split records as well:

      400 Medley:
      Breast: Boss 54.17 2001 Nats
      Robbins: 48.80 at Nats in 1997.
      Dehann: 44.78 in 2002 (400 FR)

      200 Medley
      Back: Dattels went a 23.96 200 Nats
      Breast: Boss 24.59 2001 Nats (no offense, but I doubt he went 24.3)
      Fly: 21.77 PBG Nats 2002
      Free: Blohm 19.9

      800 Free:
      JD went a 1:39.6 at MIAA’s in 03

      If someone has the exact splits, please feel free to add them

    • #33988
      Ghost Rider
      Member

      Captain insano,

      Maybe everyone is putting too much bank as you call it on these freshmen, but as of right now, look at the top times from both K and Hope and give me a reason not to bank on them. All events but the 200 free for Hope are by freshmen, and all but 4 events for K are by freshmen, take out Dekker who is a sophomore and K only has one event where an upperclassman has a top time.

      As for records I stand by what I said earlier: 500, 1650, 100 bk, 200 bk, 400 IM, 200 MR, and 400 FR have a good chance at falling this year, would I be disappointed if only 2 or 3 fell, no because the meet will still be fast, with great races, and will be a nail biter till the finish.

    • #33989
      swim5599
      Member

      I knew that Boss was 24.5 at nats, I was just wondering what his best split at the conf meet was?

      How is Hope going to go 1:22 high without a guy like Blohm on the relay? Rose is good, but we are not going to see 19.9 out of him.

      What is ellis’ best time in the 200 back? Didn’t he just go 2:00 this past weekend? that is a ways from 1:51

    • #33990
      silentp
      Member

      We always predict lots of records for relays because we see what people can split and the likelihood of them coming together at the same time isn’t good. It’s fun to talk about however.

      I don’t see the 400 FR or 200 FR records going down, but for meet records, they are both possible. I would say the chance they are both still standing in 3-4 years is very small.

      The best 50 split i could find for Boss was 24.45 in 1999.

      I went back to 1999 and here are the fastest splits for D3:
      Back: Latronica (UCSD) 22.56
      Breast: 24.45 by Boss
      Fly: 21.23 by Duda (Kenyon)

      Since this only goes to 1999 (can’t find splits before then), the fastest free i found was 19.55 by Baron anchoring in 2001 when Kenyon went 1:28.75, which is a sick time.

    • #33991
      swim5599
      Member

      as far as I know i think Howell split 19.4, and that might be the fastest in history.

    • #33992
      facenorth
      Member

      Cheadle,

      What about fastest 200, 400 and 800 Free Relays?

      Off the top of my head just to start they could look like this:

      800 Free:
      Slagh 1:40.5
      Blohm 1:39.99
      AJP 1:39.?
      Schneider 1:39.6

      400 Free:
      Slagh 45.5
      Blohm 44.8
      ?
      DeHaan 44.78

      200 Free
      Peel 20.69
      Milobinski 20.2?
      Heydlauff 20.21
      Blohm 19.93

      Does anyone know of a split faster than those? I don’t know Milobinski’s best split but know he was 20.2 on multiple occasions. Or can anyone fill in the next best splits?

    • #33993

      CVB – 21.15
      Holton – 20.60
      Rose – 20.60
      Kurti – 20.50
      1:22 high

      My best time in the 50 back was a 23.8 and I don’t know if I beat Warren’s split last year anchoring the 4 free relay. 44.7 something.

    • #33994
      ajp
      Member

      I never split a 1:39. I wish.

      My fastest 800 relay split was leading off in ’02, 1:41.81, and I know Brad White, and PBG have split faster than that.

      I’m pretty sure Slagh split a 1:39 at Emory, but their relay was DQ’d. And then there’s other 1:40 guys in MIAA history faster than me. Peel for sure.

    • #33995
      warren
      Member

      Jake I went 20.22 in prelims of the 200 FR at nats in 2001

    • #33996
      facenorth
      Member

      That would probably take Milobinski off of that relay then. I knew there were a few 20.2’s. I dont even know that Stevo was 20.21 but for some reason that stuck out in my mind. Thanks Warren.

    • #33997
      el radio
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      I went back to 1999 and here are the fastest splits for D3:
      Back: Latronica (UCSD) 22.56
      Breast: 24.45 by Boss
      Fly: 21.23 by Duda (Kenyon)
      .

      If I recall Duda split 20.67 in the fly for the 2 MR at 04-05 nationals, and (as shady as that pick up was…believe me i was timing the lane next to them) i thought the dq came from duda to berger, not zarins to duda…so couldn’t that count as being the fastest split for a fly pick up?

      correct me if im wrong

    • #33998
      silentp
      Member

      @el radio wrote:

      If I recall Duda split 20.67 in the fly for the 2 MR at 04-05 nationals, and (as shady as that pick up was…believe me i was timing the lane next to them) i thought the dq came from duda to berger, not zarins to duda…so couldn’t that count as being the fastest split for a fly pick up?

      I didn’t look at prelims, but looking at it, it was a 21.12, which would be the fastest, you are correct.

      He actually would have DQ’d himself, because a girl from Gustavus was timing in the lane and after he got out, he said outloud that he jumped it. It was not called and the crowd boo’d (probably the craziest thing i have ever seen). They kept going for a while too, anyone else who was there would agree it was quite an akward situation.

      In finals, the relay got DQ’d but this time it was Berger who jumped, not Duda. The crowd applauded and cheered, not because Emory had won, but because Kenyon got DQ’d as people felt they deserved to be in prelims.

    • #33999
      SwexasTim
      Member

      couple things, silentp, that split you have in 01 for baron may be wrong. Unless you were talking prelims I know he went second in that relay. I know this b/c we were right next to them and i was second. He outsplit me by over a second and a half.

      I would like to put in my 2 cents for that question mark spot in the 400 free relay. Put hescott on the front with his 45.56, and put knox in the 3 hole with his 45.3

    • #34000
      el radio
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      In finals, the relay got DQ’d but this time it was Berger who jumped, not Duda. The crowd applauded and cheered, not because Emory had won, but because Kenyon got DQ’d as people felt they deserved to be in prelims.

      and if you remember after that day…Emory was leading the meet, and the fans and parents went NuTs when they heard that they were leading, but later they were heartbroken when they realized that they were never gonna win that meet in the first place

      that made me laugh

    • #34001
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      The crowd applauded and cheered, not because Emory had won, but because Kenyon got DQ’d as people felt they deserved to be in prelims.

      Actually it wasn’t the crowd that cheered, it was the assholes from Emory. They had a large contingent. We all make mistakes, particularily when we can hide in a large group, this is a good example.

    • #34002
      swim5599
      Member

      From the nose bleed section I could see that Duda jumped by a mile, but I am still not sure he was 21.1. I thought it was 21.26 or so. I could be wrong, but thats what I think I remember.

    • #34003
      Stevo
      Member

      silentp, no worries on the name, it’s not the first time

      Facenorth you are correct i was 20.21 anchoring the 200 FR at nationals my senior year.

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