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    • #12763
      maverick1
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      there seems to be quite a bit of activity on the threads these past few days so let’s have it…..there’s been 1 unscored relay meet, so everyone must have picks for this season’s league meet. here are some of mine:

      kzoo event winners:
      ellis-1bk, 2bk
      alfonso espinosa: 1breast
      dekker: 200IM
      200, 400 medley relays

      albion event winners:
      krone: 200, 500, mile

      olivet event winners:
      diving

      alma event winners:

      hope event winners:
      400 free relay
      alumni meet (seriously, they had like 300 people show up last year, i swear to god every hope alumni must live in west michigan)
      Heyboer: 400IM
      Nelis: 100fly, 200 fly

      some events are obviously too close to call in my mind, so i didn’t even try. and please remember angry alumns that these are PREDICTIONS, except probably the alumni meet thing

    • #40059
      DonCheadle
      Member

      I think Dekker wins the 200 fly, and Heyboer wins the 200 IM. I also htink Kzoo wins te 200 Free Relay

    • #40060
      silentp
      Member

      Mav’s picks were like picking the Pats to win the Super Bowl, come on!

      I see Dekker in the IM, just like Mav, Nelis a very close 2nd, Heyboer 3rd if he swims it (I am not sure which would score them more points this year).

      Upsets are fun to call, so I’ll say 3:
      1. 100 free, Nelis wins.
      2. 200 free, Fleming wins.
      3. 50 free, JBG wins.

      3 isn’t much of an upset, if at all, but RVZ will be favored as of now. I see both guys under 21.

    • #40061

      50 free goes to RVZ
      but then, the 50 is a mostly a crapshoot anyway. mostly

    • #40062
      stewie
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      Upsets are fun to call, so I’ll say 3:
      1. 100 free, Nelis wins.
      2. 200 free, Fleming wins.
      3. 50 free, JBG wins.

      1. Nelis winning the 1 fr would be an upset b/c he won’t swim it. Why would Hope put one of their only and best 2 flyer in the 100 free, an event that they have 4 guys (RVZ, CVB, Rose, Kurti). Seems like it would be a bad move points wise, but maybe you weren’t taking that into consideration.
      2. Wouldn’t CVB winning the 2 fr be an upset enough? Fleming going 1:41 or 1:40 seems a bit more like a miracle rather than an upset. Isn’t he a 1:45.9 coming in?

      Does anyone know if K is on the cycle training again? If so, did that affect how they swam at the relay meet? Could we expect slower times out of K this weekend? Just throwing it out there…

    • #40063
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      1. Nelis winning the 1 fr would be an upset b/c he won’t swim it. Why would Hope put one of their only and best 2 flyer in the 100 free, an event that they have 4 guys (RVZ, CVB, Rose, Kurti). Seems like it would be a bad move points wise, but maybe you weren’t taking that into consideration.

      I would, but Hope very rarely swims for points, and with Taber and Lenny gone, chances are even lower they will this year. He will swim the 100 free.

      @stewie wrote:

      2. Wouldn’t CVB winning the 2 fr be an upset enough? Fleming going 1:41 or 1:40 seems a bit more like a miracle rather than an upset. Isn’t he a 1:45.9 coming in?

      Why would i pick an upset by someone who I don’t think will win it? You can pick CVB, I’ll stick with the guy who wasn’t breaking 2:00 in the 200 a few years ago.

      @stewie wrote:

      Does anyone know if K is on the cycle training again? If so, did that affect how they swam at the relay meet? Could we expect slower times out of K this weekend? Just throwing it out there…

      I don’t know, but i do agree 100% that if they are, it could greatly impact this weekend’s meet.

    • #40064
      facenorth
      Member

      Stewart wrote:

      Fleming going 1:41 or 1:40 seems a bit more like a miracle rather than an upset. Isn’t he a 1:45.9 coming in?

      Didn’t you swim with Dave Ornee`? 1:45 in hs to a 1:41.22 as a freshman.

    • #40065
      quacker
      Member

      I think Ornee hung it up before Stewie got there.

    • #40066
      SwexasTim
      Member

      quaker could have been that fast, but Coach didn’t choose him.

    • #40067
      facenorth
      Member

      He looked fast though!

    • #40068
      Negrodamus
      Member

      Kalamazoo is not cycle training.

    • #40069
      stewie
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @stewie wrote:

      1. Nelis winning the 1 fr would be an upset b/c he won’t swim it. Why would Hope put one of their only and best 2 flyer in the 100 free, an event that they have 4 guys (RVZ, CVB, Rose, Kurti). Seems like it would be a bad move points wise, but maybe you weren’t taking that into consideration.

      I would, but Hope very rarely swims for points, and with Taber and Lenny gone, chances are even lower they will this year. He will swim the 100 free.

      Uhh, shows how much you know about Hope swimming and Patnott. Do you think Engers swam the 4 IM last yr b/c he wanted to, do you think Heyboer swam the 5 fr b/c he wanted to, do you think Kurti swam the 1 bk b/c he wanted to, do you think Holtman swam the mile and 2 br on the same day b/c he wanted to. I could go on for awhile of other instances of how Hope swimmers swam for points rather themselves. Don’t make assumptions.

    • #40070
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Uhh, shows how much you know about Hope swimming and Patnott. Do you think Engers swam the 4 IM last yr b/c he wanted to, do you think Heyboer swam the 5 fr b/c he wanted to, do you think Kurti swam the 1 bk b/c he wanted to, do you think Holtman swam the mile and 2 br on the same day b/c he wanted to. I could go on for awhile of other instances of how Hope swimmers swam for points rather themselves. Don’t make assumptions.

      Aren’t all of those examples from last year? Please read the entire post I made before posting a response.

    • #40071
      stewie
      Member

      Uhh, I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to, but I can only assume you’re talking about the absence of Taber and Hamstra. If you think the exit of those two will affect how Hope will swim the MIAA meet, it makes no sense. Why would the program shift to the individual level. If Hope had the meet locked up for a win, then maybe. But I think you’re out of your place to state something about a program you never swam for. Ever since I’ve swam for the program Hope has always swam for points not individual success. Today is not yesterday do not give me some response like that’s what they did 5 or ten years ago. I’m talking about the present and I’m pretty sure if you are talking about the past those Hope teams were trying to win the MIAA just as hard as we are now.

    • #40072
      maverick1
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Uhh, I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to, but I can only assume you’re talking about the absence of Taber and Hamstra. If you think the exit of those two will affect how Hope will swim the MIAA meet, it makes no sense. Why would the program shift to the individual level. If Hope had the meet locked up for a win, then maybe. But I think you’re out of your place to state something about a program you never swam for. Ever since I’ve swam for the program Hope has always swam for points not individual success. Today is not yesterday do not give me some response like that’s what they did 5 or ten years ago. I’m talking about the present and I’m pretty sure if you are talking about the past those Hope teams were trying to win the MIAA just as hard as we are now.

      commas please!

      i believe that silentp went out and stated that the absence of taber and hamstra would change things…..so that answers the first question, although a little bit of reference to silentp’s post would have done that also

      i honestly think that you should look at the results from past years that you can find for the 50 free. it will tell you most of the story that you should see. I also think that you’re taking offense to a statement that silentp made, when you browse the forums, try to stay calm and realize that not everything is an attack towards hope.

    • #40073
      stewie
      Member

      Can we please leave grammar out of this, thanks. Also, both of you are making assumptions about a program you have never swam for. So, yes, why wouldn’t any Hope alum or current swimmer take offense when an outsider makes assumptions about a program they don’t know anything about. I don’t make assumptions about K’s program. Do not make Hope swimmers out to be selfish, as if they do not care about the team aspect of the sport. When someone states Hope swimmers don’t swim for points, that is stating you think we don’t swim for our team. Therefore, we must only be swimming for individual glory. I’m sorry but I really don’t think I’m out of line. I think you need to take responsibility for your statements. If Hope swimmers/coach don’t swim for points or winning the meet, then enlighten me, what do we swim for?

      And I hate to tell you but I would bet both Taber and Hamstra would tell you Patnott’s thoughts on the MIAA meet did not change when they arrived and won’t after they have left.

      The sad thing is this was all started by silentp saying Nelis would swim the 1 fr at MIAAs and that Hope swimmers traditionally do not swim for points. All I can say is Nelis will swim the 2 fly and Hope will swim for points whether you want to believe it or not. Nine points is a little too close to think about yourself rather than the team, come on.

    • #40074
      silentp
      Member

      I am sticking to my opinion, but will say it different, Hope swimmers have traditionally swam for the events they trained for. Maybe it was just last year they changed because last year was such a close meet. I could be incorrect, and if I am, I apologize for offending you or any other Hope swimmer.

      I do recall a post, although I won’t go back and try to find it, where someone from Hope said they traditionally didn’t see the point in training all year for the events they were best at (let’s say 50), but then, at the one meet they are fully tapered for (since they rest less than most for mid-season), they swim an off event. I think Patnott, in the past, just wouldn’t ask a guy to swim an off event, but if they volunteered, he would let them, obviously. Other coaches may have “asked” for their swimmers to swim those easy to score in events.

      All Hope swimmers are “team players”, so I didn’t mean to have people believe I thought any differently.

    • #40075
      SwexasTim
      Member

      First of all I’m not sure what all the hub-bub is about, I wasn’t offended. I think y’all are just missing each other. Sure Hope swimmers tend to swim what they are good at, doesn’t everyone. Fact of the matter is, for a long time it was rare that Hope (a sprint heavy program) had people that could swim something else. Sure so and so is going to just squeak into the 50 or maybe not score, but what else are they going to swim. If I remember correctly, we had this problem w/ Holten last year. Was he a swimmer worthy of the scoring 18, obviously, but he probably wasn’t going to score in the 200 (ended up 13th). Would he have swim something besides the 200 if he would have scored? I’m certain, but he couldn’t swim anything else, so there we go. I know most Hope guys would swim whatever was needed to help the team the most, however, for a long time, there just weren’t those options out there, b/c Hope was 7/8th sprinter (maybe more:). Now Hope is diversified and quite frankly the league has many holes that can be filled to squeeze every last point out of their swims.

      The years I swam for Hope I would have swum whatever the team needed, sure I had events I wanted to swim, but team first, and I know that silentp did not mean to question that about Hope. Hell, I swam the 1 fly my senior year b/c Blohm had a disgusting 200 and we needed a flyer. And on top of that Blohm swam the 200 b/c he could win and we had a guy that could win the backstroke. People swim around for the team, thats not a question.

      The problem is, stewie is focusing on all the examples of people who have swum around to get points. Silentp was pointing out guys that (not to his knowledge) swam their events instead of trying to catch those extra points b/c they couldn’t swim anything else.

      Y’all are too uptight. Basically here is what you need to know about the MIAA. Everyone loves their school and think they will have big drops while the other teams don’t. Stevo loves the HCAC, as do most Hope guys, but science says its slow, personally I don’t give a rats ass about science (and neither does ryan crowley, 46.0 leadoff out of nowhere, yeah I’m still bitter) but whatever. Cheadle thinks Kzoo is awesome at sprinting, and Hope College loves the sprint relay. Did I leave anything out?

      Oh yeah, Go Scots!

    • #40076
      stewie
      Member

      Thank you for explaining. That wasn’t too hard. Anyway back to league meet predictions

      2 IM- Nelis, Three of his strokes are faster than Dekker’s he just needs to put it together
      500- Krone
      50- RVZ
      1 fly- Nelis
      1 bk- Ellis
      1 br- Fonzy
      4 IM- Heyboer
      2 fr- Krone
      2 fly- Dekker
      2 bk- Ellis
      2 br- Meisner
      Mile- Krone
      1 fr- Rose

      Sorry, not many upsets besides the 2 IM and maybe the 1 fr, but that’s how I think it will be.

    • #40077
      maverick1
      Member

      stewie, the commas comment was not me trying to belittle you about the grammar, but i think you should add them in to help dictate the flow of the post…..sorry if it came across badly

      ok, a quick prediction:

      krone will go faster than 4:32.50 in the 500 at miaas….the kid is an animal and dropped time this past season like crazy, and will continue to do so

    • #40078
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Did anyone else notice that Krone dropped like 20 pounds over the summer, but then regained it in his beard?

    • #40079
      Low Tide
      Member

      I’m thinking Fonzy gets it done in the 200 breast this year. Leave the one-trick pony show to the sprinters at Hope! *couldn’t resist*

    • #40080
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      Cheadle thinks Kzoo is awesome at sprinting,

      Good post all in all Swexes. You may recall, however, that I menioted later on that I just said Kzoo would win the relay to spark up conversation. And it has worked like a charm! Look at all the recent activity. So if you get in trouble with your boss, blame me.

    • #40081
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      Thank you for explaining. That wasn’t too hard. Anyway back to league meet predictions

      2 IM- Nelis, Three of his strokes are faster than Dekker’s he just needs to put it together

      Actually explaining things to you is harder than I expected, but glad I could make it understandable.

      Nelis is a great pick here, and could easily win it, but if you recall, this is a 200 IM, so you could say Nelis is faster in only 2 of the strokes. Either way though, it’s going to be a great race. If Heyboer swims this event, there should be 3 individual qualifiers, what’s the last event to have that for the MIAA? (I know it’s been done, and probably not that long ago, but I don’t know what it is.)

      @iamdonovan wrote:

      Did anyone else notice that Krone dropped like 20 pounds over the summer, but then regained it in his beard?

      Will this weight change result in a change in swimming style? I sure hope not.

      @Low Tide wrote:

      I’m thinking Fonzy gets it done in the 200 breast this year. Leave the one-trick pony show to the sprinters at Hope! *couldn’t resist*

      I disagree, I’m giving it to Meisner, but think Booms has a shot of getting into the meet individually here and grabs the 2nd spot. I also look for King to have a better 200 than last year.

    • #40082
      Stevo
      Member

      This is a great thread. Lenny, you’re like a large sized budha with hair!

      As for my predictions, Hope will win every event at the leauge meet while swimming only events they want to.

      I did enjoy swimming at HCAC but it does not hold a candle to the love i have for the best passing center of all time Vlade Divac!

    • #40083
      El Duderino
      Member

      Can you imagine Vlade Divac as a swimmer? He’d false start on purpose, then try to convince the ref that the guy next to him flinched.

      He would also go to Kenyon for free.

    • #40084
      facenorth
      Member

      SilentP,

      Last year Becky Weima, Katie White, Kat Vinson and Laura Ansilio all qualified in the 100. Is that not what you were asking?

      I’d have to go with 2003 and the 500. Slagh, Schneider and Penninga. AJP, did you Qualify the 5 that year or did you Q the 200 and have a ‘B’ cut in the 5? Or perhaps it was those same three and the 200? Actually, that was Ornee’s freshman year, I bet the MIAA had four in the 200 that year.

    • #40085
      SwexasTim
      Member

      I think I got an invite that year as well. Can’t be certain though. So maybe 5?

      yes vlade divac would try to get other people dqed. But he is still the best passing center the nba has ever seen. Just ask stevo he is president of the Vlade Divac fan club!

    • #40086
      ajp
      Member

      My 500 time was a b-cut and would have Q’ed, but I didn’t swim it. My 200 time got me to the meet.

      The 200 that year was smokin’. Jud, Slagh, AJP, Lenny, Ornee. And I think Stover got a b-cut in the consol heat too.

    • #40087
      DonCheadle
      Member

      1995 the 100 fly was a great event:

      Lubbers, Robbins and Webber were all top 10 or so at Nats, and Mike Shoemaker scored or atleast qualfied for the meet in the event as well. Knap from Hope swam a Q time in Dec. but swam the 400 IM at MIAA’s and Nats.

    • #40088
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      Kalamazoo 200 Medley goes
      23.5 Ellis
      25.2 The Fonz
      22.2 Greiner
      20.8 Bazzel
      1:31.7
      Not to mention The fonz has taken out his breast in under 25 in the 100 on a relay

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