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    • #12846
      silentp
      Member

      I was pretty surprised that K beat Hope this past weekend and noe one is really talking about it. I thought I would at least point out some notable swims, although there were many that I will miss.

      Rose’s anchor leg on the 400 FR was really impressive. He isn’t quite where he was at this point last year, but he proved he is still the league’s premiere anchor leg. This was a great battle.

      Dekker and Heyboer had a great battle in the IM, both dipping under 2 early in the season. Nelis was a bit off but will be there at the end of the year. Booms also surprised me in this race.

      To bring up Booms again, his 2:11 was very impressive. I think he has a good shot of making NCAAs individually this year in that event.

      200 free looked like a great 3 man battle (4 if we count Carthage, but this post is all K-Hope). Bazzel played gopher and almost held on but Rose charged harder and Fleming charged hardest to take it.

      K kept up with Hope in the 200 FR and got outtouched from how it sounds. That is pretty impressive for right now. Maybe they will keep it close at MIAAs?

      Nelis going under 53 in the fly is impressive for a guy that typically doesn’t swim as well in-season. Look for him to break 50 come February or March.

      Lastly, just as a surprise, Rose had a helluva 100 back; any chance he leads off the medley and Heyboer goes breast? They’d still have Nelis and RVZ/CVB coming home, which isn’t bad. It’s certainly an NCAA option if nothing else.

    • #41148
      stewie
      Member

      Given how well K swam, it’s not a huge surprise they were able to beat Hope. Overall, they are probably a better dual meet team. They have the big guns to win events and unless Hope made up for that and diving in the free events they were probably going to lose. Also, Hope swam slower overall than the week before against Albion.

      I will hand it to K in the free events. They were able to hang with Hope in the free relays and made a great showing in the 200 fr. I think this only helps Hope for MIAA’s. I don’t think K will be quick enough to beat Hope in the 2 or 4 fr relays but fast enough to beat Olivet. I think the major darkhouse at the meet was Bazzell. His 48.0 split on the 4 fr kept them in the race.

      Does it make a difference if you put Heyboer in the 2 bk and Rose or VanderBroek in the 500? Heyboer might have been able to beat Ellis’ 1:59 and prevented a 1-2 by K. Also, VanderBroek or Rose may have been able to beat Julio in the 500. Just a thought.

      Finally, are there still no takers on my prediction of K going undefeated in their MIAA dual meet season and 3rd at MIAAs? Starting to look like a possibility….

    • #41149
      Duck
      Member

      I always thought K would win all their MIAA dual meets — but I will bet $10 (American, payable to this site) that Kzoo will *not* take third at league meet.

    • #41150

      Will K go undefeated in duals and 3rd at MIAA?

      my thoughts: Hope and Olivet were the greatest threats to K going into the season, and both were beat. That leaves only Calvin, because no other team presents any kind of competition [sorry I know Albion beat Calvin… but seriously]. I give the K/Calvin dual to K. So yes they go undefeated.

      good thing the league championship isn’t determined by duals 🙂

      As for 3rd at leagues… no point in debating this I don’t think there’s a way to predict that at this point. K/Hope/Olivet will be 1/2/3 in no particular order.
      to win:
      Hope needs great taper times and more out of their breaststokers/mid/D guys
      K just needs to keep their studs at the top of everything and not lose any ground
      I have really no idea about Olivet to be honest I haven’t thought about them at all for a while… strange

    • #41151
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      I think this is an upset, and we will see an upset in either the 400 or 200 free relay at miaa

    • #41152
      breakdancer
      Member

      How would there be an upset? Hope owns the freestyle relays. Hope won them both this past weekend and each of the guys were tired as hell. Once taper comes Hope’s freelays will be untouchable.

    • #41153
      silentp
      Member

      @breakdancer wrote:

      How would there be an upset? Hope owns the freestyle relays. Hope won them both this past weekend and each of the guys were tired as hell. Once taper comes Hope’s freelays will be untouchable.

      I’m going to explain this so that you understand what everyone else already does: the upset, in my mind, was K beating Hope in the dual.

    • #41154
      maverick1
      Member

      i did hear that kzoo tapered for like 3 weeks for the meet…..the hope relays will win by a minimum 8 seconds each at miaas

      it’s the middle of the season, everyone is tired and hope has in fact won the 2 shorter free relays for the past 3 years, chances are that they’ll win ’em again.

      i think the big question that arises from the kzoo team beating both olivet and hope in the dual and whether they’ve got a shot of winning at the miaa level. i remember calvin beating hope at a triple dual meet during the 2002-2003 season and then losing to hope by quite a bit at miaas. the training trips are coming up and it looks like everyone from the 3 “contenders” will have a lot of motivation to work it hard, even if they have to stay in lovely holland instead of traveling.

    • #41155
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      Hope vs Kzoo 2006

      200 FR- Hope “A” 1:26.9, Kzoo “A” 1:31.46

      Hope vs Kzoo 2007

      200 FR- Hope “A” 1:27.74, Kzoo “A” 1:28.08

      i see a trend breakdancer. Hope will lose both the 200 and 400 FR by MIAA’s 09.

    • #41156

      @Nasty Natti wrote:

      i see a trend breakdancer. Hope will lose both the 200 and 400 FR by MIAA’s 09.

      I don’t believe a word that comes out of the mouth of Mr. “Ocho Cinco.” This was a bad year to be a fan of the Nasty Natti.

      What’s a trend breakdancer?

    • #41157
      stewie
      Member

      2005 MIAAs
      Hope- 1:24.45 K- 1:26.94

      2006 MIAAs
      Hope- 1:24.23 K- 1:28.51

      2007 MIAAs
      Hope- 1:23.66 K- 1:25.29

      Why not base it off MIAA times not duals? Both teams have gotten faster over the past few years, with exception to Hope’s 1:22.4 TT in 06. Hope will still have solid fr relays in 09 with Kurti, Rose, Nelis, Vogelzang, so I don’t see K taking the 2 or 4 fr in 2009.

    • #41158
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      why not in 2008

    • #41159
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      I’m just saying, sprint to mid distance wise, hope’s strengths lie in their upperclassmen. While K’s lie in the under classmen. Hope’s only youngins are really Rose and nelis who has a good 100 free. Even with hope’s strong upperclassmen, K might win either the 200 or 400 FR this year.

    • #41160
      maverick1
      Member

      although i’d love do believe that hope will become weaker in coming seasons, the only way for kzoo to beat them is for k to most likely go 1:23.4 or better

      nelis will be able to throw down a good 50 by the end of this year…..he goes to hope

    • #41161
      Jimmy
      Member

      @Rudy Shingle wrote:

      why not in 2008

      Here’s how I see it playing out.

      Hope’s 4 Free
      CVB
      Vogelzang
      Rose
      Nelis

      K’s 4 Free
      Bazzel
      Ellis
      Dekker
      Flemming

      I’d say that Nelis and Flemming are a wash. Nelis has been 48.5 already this season and Flemming has been 48.7. The other 3 are CVB, Vogelzang, and Rose versus Bazzel, Dekker, and Ellis. I’d have to favor Hope because their remaining 3 guys have all been in finals at MIAAs in the 100 freestyle at either in 2006 or 2007. Of K’s remaining 3, only one of which is a true freestyler.

    • #41162
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      There is also a kid name alfonso that could be on that relay, and who knows what he could do in that event.

    • #41163
      silentp
      Member

      @Jimmy wrote:

      @Rudy Shingle wrote:

      why not in 2008

      Here’s how I see it playing out.

      Hope’s 4 Free
      CVB
      Vogelzang
      Rose
      Nelis

      K’s 4 Free
      Bazzel
      Ellis
      Dekker
      Flemming

      I’d say that Nelis and Flemming are a wash. Nelis has been 48.5 already this season and Flemming has been 48.7. The other 3 are CVB, Vogelzang, and Rose versus Bazzel, Dekker, and Ellis. I’d have to favor Hope because their remaining 3 guys have all been in finals at MIAAs in the 100 freestyle at either in 2006 or 2007. Of K’s remaining 3, only one of which is a true freestyler.

      Maybe I am wrong and could be in the minority here, but I don’t see Ellis on this relay. I see him on the 200 FR and 800 FR instead. Then Alfonso would be on it instead of Ellis, which would still possibly be good enough for 2nd, which is (agreeing with Jimmy) what I see this relay being good enough for also.

      I say this because Dekker is stronger in the 200 than the 100, Ellis could be as well based on his backstroke progression (a tough comparison, but all I can go on), and both Bazzel and Fleming have been sub 1:50 thus far this season. We will have to see what plays out at EMU though.

    • #41164
      OCswim
      Member

      hope does not win a single free relay and gets third in the 200 FR. Write it down and mail it to your mommys!

    • #41165
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @OCswim wrote:

      and gets third in the 200 FR. Write it down!

      Possible but not likely. Powers and Voss are quite a tandem though.

    • #41166
      Stevo
      Member

      I definitely think that K will run away with the league championship, and win every single relay.

    • #41167
      El Duderino
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      I definitely think that K will run away with the league championship, and win every single relay.

      Its about time you Hope guys realized the truth…

    • #41168
      Jimmy
      Member

      While I do agree that Dekker is stronger in a 200, compared to a 100, I still feel like K’s best chance at an upset would be in a shorter relay, only because more could go wrong for Hope.

      As to why I said that Alfonso shouldn’t be on the either free relay is based off of last year’s performance in the 2Free Relay and 50 free. In both events he was a 22.0. Not much of a taper from what he was able to do in season in these events. Greiner can splits at 20.8 much better than that. And from what what his times show in the 200 Breast, compared to the 1 Breast, he is a much more sprint oriented person, so the longer, the worse.

      That being said, K shouldn’t put him on either relay because Greiner’s faster than him in the 50 and Dekker is faster in the 100.

    • #41169
      Stevo
      Member

      If K goes 1:22.8 and 3:02.4 they will win both relays. I’d like to have the K guys break it down and show us how this is possible. Thank you.

    • #41170
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      so now hope is giong 122.8 and 3:02 that pretty impressive I would like to see a hope guy break that down

    • #41171
      facenorth
      Member

      Below are times that are about .2 faster than lifetime bests. These times don’t necessarily reflect how I see this relay going 3:02.9 but it is as subjective and consistent as I thought I could make it. 1/5 of a second per person for 100 yards. Go ahead and argue Nelis. But you did ask for someone to split out Hope going 3:02, this is one way it could happen.
      400 Free:
      CVB 46.2
      Rose 44.9
      RVZ 45.9
      Nelis 45.9 – this is the only time that wasn’t swum on a relay, rested. But Nelis did go 47.0 the only time he swam it fresh last year.
      3:02.9 – seems possible to me. In fact, I’d like to see them go 3:02.83 to take Swexis off the record board.

      By the same logic if the lifetime bests drop on the 2 free relay by a whopping .1 (and like any other relay, magically it all comes together at the same time, the 200 free would look like)
      RVZ 20.9
      Rose 20.6
      Kurti 20.7
      CVB 20.5
      1:22.7 – sorry, it is actually faster than the 1:22.8 you asked for. Again, this is not necessarily how I see this relay breaking down but for argument’s sake, the consistency of 1/10 of 1 second per 50, all coming together at the same time puts them at the 1:22.7 mark. Of course, we all know how everyone clicking at the same time makes such a big difference in relays.

    • #41172
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      Now how many times have we heard that the hope relay will go 1:22 when I believe the only time I have seen them do this was with a time trial. You are also saying that you will see over a 3 second drop out of rose from where he is currently swimming. Good luck with that one.

    • #41173
      Stevo
      Member

      Well Rudy…there you go.

      If you K guys make statements like “and we will see an upset in either the 400 or 200 free relay at miaa” then us hope guys can actually break down, with fairly minimal time drops how those times are possible.

      Now it’s your turn Rudy…..show me how K is going to shock the MIAA.

    • #41174
      Stevo
      Member

      Now how many times have we heard that the hope relay will go 1:22 when I believe the only time I have seen them do this was with a time trial. You are also saying that you will see over a 3 second drop out of rose from where he is currently swimming. Good luck with that one.

      How many times have we heard how K is going to upset this relay but they have NEVER been under 1:24.00.

      Are you really comparing Matt Rose’s in season times? You must be a freshman and didnt’ see him go 45 low on the end of hopes 400 free relay last year.

      Just because K is swimming better in season right now doesn’t mean jack for MIAA’s.

    • #41175
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      take the ave dropped time from inseason to tapored k swimmer which is approximately 2.5 seconds at least. that is 10 seconds, that puts them at 3:03 which is why I was asking to see how hope would go 3:02. Oh yeah and on some cases k swimmers have dropped 4 seconds on a relay so who knows what could happen

    • #41176
      facenorth
      Member

      Rudy Shingle wrote:

      You are also saying that you will see over a 3 second drop out of rose from where he is currently swimming. Good luck with that one.

      I thought Rose anchored the 400 Free Relay on Saturday in 47.4? If he did, I wasn’t a math major but 47.4 – 3 or more < 44.9. It's very possible I am mistaken. That being said, unless you are apart of that program and know exactly how he is training and what he is doing, (and I don't either) you probably don't know if that kind of drop is realistic or not. Regardless, like I said before, you asked for someone to show you how it could be done. I did, using a pretty simple approach in doing so, at both distances.

    • #41177
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      I was taking he open swim sorry. I said how they could go 3:03, maybe faster each drops 2.5 from where they are now. I said I could see an upset in one of the two relays, and to think I am a freshman you are way off. All it takes is one great swim and one bad swim for everything to be turned upside down.

    • #41178
      Stevo
      Member

      BREAK IT DOWN RUDY.

      So the average time drop in the history of K swimming for a 100 yard freestyle is 2.5 seconds? Or are we talking if you average all the events the average K drop from in-season to taper is 2.5 seconds?

    • #41179
      Stevo
      Member

      Good think K is tapering for Eastern…we’ll get to see the 2.5 second time drop.

      All it takes is one great swim and one bad swim for everything to be turned upside down

      What if the one great swim and one bad swim are on the same relay?
      …then they even each other out. There is a possibility of an upset, if all the k guys drop 3-4 seconds each, and Hope swims mediocre.

    • #41180
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      No not history, but it would probably be closer to 3 seconds in the Milliken era. Waller 2 years ago at this time was 51.2 and was 47.5 at miaa. last year Ben was 51 and 48.6, so you can see my point, and I don’t want to write them all down, because I would look closer at the faster swimmers where it is harder to take those tenths off. Waller also split a 45.9 at nationals his sophmore year.

    • #41181
      Stevo
      Member

      If wallers best in season time in the 100 free was 51.2 that is sad because he was way more talented than that. In 2001 Tim Dehaan went 45.34 in the 100 free at nationals and he was consistently 49 in season. That argument is stupid because it is to individually based. Some swimmers are better in season than others.

    • #41182
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      ok, but all we are trying to say is that there could be an upset, and we have a feeling one will happen. In season times now are pretty close, so there is a possibility.

    • #41183
      Stevo
      Member

      still waiting for the breakdown….

    • #41184

      ok, but all we are trying to say is that there could be an upset

      upset for team championships maybe, but K will not beat Hope in a free relay. you’ve been impressive thus far as a team and with several individual performances. but please. Hope will be beating their chests and flexing in mirrors and winning the free relays relays thank you very much.

    • #41185
      The Treat
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      still waiting for the breakdown….

      Stevo breakdown request-o-meter is at about 12 right now

    • #41186
      Jimmy
      Member

      If we are going to talk about upsets, I don’t see why we have ruled out Olivet. Who’s to say that Olivet doesn’t beat K in the 4FR. I’m just throwing it out there, but here’s my rationale.

      Olivet 4FR-3:06.1
      1.Powers (46.5)-46.88 last year in the open, let’s say he drops .3

      2. Voss (46.3)- He was 46.94 in the open, so drop 0.6 for a relay pickup

      3. Wheatley (47.0)-Big darkhorse because he is a Distance guy. He was 49.68 as a freshman on this relay, and has already been 50.3 earlier this year. Considering how poorly Olivet is swimming is season, he could be pretty fast with a good taper.

      4. Busscher (46.3)-This kid is the real deal. I feel as though he is one of the most talented swimmers at the OC. He was 47.0 last year, and could easily improve.

      K’s 4FR 3:06.5
      1. Ellis (46.6)
      2. Dekker (46.9)
      3. Bazzel (46.7)
      4. Flemming (46.3)

    • #41187
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Stevo, I am wondering if you use the same logic when it comes to the team race between Hope and Kzoo. I mean on paper, Kzoo beats Hope by about 30. Thus there is no way Hope beats Kzoo, right?

    • #41188

      @Jimmy wrote:

      3. Wheatley (47.0)-Big darkhorse because he is a Distance guy. He was 49.68 as a freshman on this relay, and has already been 50.3 earlier this year. Considering how poorly Olivet is swimming is season, he could be pretty fast with a good taper.

      Is a 49.6-split guy really the best they can come up with? are we certain that none of their stroke guys (Key, Meisner, Rafe, Beckwith) are capable of doing anything better?

    • #41189
      Stevo
      Member

      100 inseason times are taken from dual meets, wabash invite and wheaton quad. NOT EMU invite.

      Dmitruk’s best inseason 100 was on January 27th, he went 50.1, a far cry from the 51 you are claiming. Ben dropped to 48.6, a nice drop. About 1.5 seconds. He was also 50.6 in another meet back in November.

      Hennigar was 49.6 in a dual last year. He dropped to 48.9, a .7 drop. Hardly the 2.5 you are claiming.

      There was a 2 second drop from Greiner 51.2 to 49.2 and from Parker 52.3 to 50.3. I dind’t bother looking at the drops from people like Korn and Cebelek and guys like that. If there really is a 2.5 second average drop from inseason to MIAAs, those guys must have unreal drops.

      Fonz was also 49 in the open 100 a few times – as low as 49.3, but he didn’t swim the 100 at MIAAs. Not sure what he split at leagues last year either. But he wasn’t 46.8 in the relay, let alone the open.

      So your 2.5 theory sucks. Why do we have this conversation every year? Yes there is always a CHANCE that a team other than Hope wins the 200 and 400 FR (2003 when Crowleyled off 46.0) but i will still stick to my guns.

      And Cheadle, we can save the team championship thread for another time. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    • #41190
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      I took the time that was around the same date as the hope double duel meet. Not best inseason times.

    • #41191
      El Duderino
      Member

      Here we go, I’m going to break down the Kzoo 200 Free Relay:

      Ellis: 14.6 – Honestly, this is being modest. He swam hurt all last year, I’d expect nothing less than the 6.7 second drop I’m estimating here, but to be safe I’m going to stick on the conservative side.

      Fonz: 15.2 – Word on the street is he has decided to focus entirely on the 50 free this year instead of the 100 breast. You’ll notice his breastroke has been a little slower than it was last year. His 50 hasn’t been too great so far, but I hear its because Kathy has asked him to scale it back. She doesn’t want tp let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. 15.2 is a high-end estimate on this kid, I wouldn’t be shocked if he cracked the 10 barrier.

      Bazzell: 16.8 – Tough kid, he’s following the Fonzy method of not revealing the ace up his sleeve during the regular season. Check out his picture on k-swimming.net., he looks like he’s trying to hold back laughter about the can of whoop-ass he’s going to open on the MIAA this February.

      Fleming (a.k.a. McLovin): 6.5 – I swam against the program he swam for in high school. Anyone who qualified for the Michigan High School State Meet out of that program is definitely headed for great things at the college level. If anything, saying he’s only going to swim a 6.5 is a sign of disrespect (my bad, Craig). Plus, with a nickname like McLovin, how could anyone doubt that this isn’t just possible, its probable.

      So there you have it. The Kalamazoo 200 Free Relay (or the new “Dream Team” as I’d like them to be referred to from now on) will go 53.1. I’ve already called up NBC, they are going to send a camera crew, along with Rowdy Gaines (I tried to talk them out of it believe me) and Jim Grey to interview the guys directly after they exit the pool. Honestly, this is going to be historic.

    • #41192
      maverick1
      Member

      we’ll have a nice idea about how these relays will most likely break down, after the mid season meets. i bet someone who can do the research will be able to break it down, since both hope and k have done the same things for their mid season meets for the past decade or so. (disclaimer: i’m not saying that k and hope taper the same, but that the individual programs have been pretty consistent with how they rest as a team for midseason). If the hope guys can let us know if they have done the same taper for the past bit, i might go out and try to research average time drops from mid season to miaas (if not then it’ll be pretty worthless data eh?)

    • #41193
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Great post el duderino, frickin hilarious.

      The breakdown is simple, Hope will lead off w/ around a 21.0, I think faster, but RVZ was 21.0 and 21.1 at nats last year so there’s that. Then its simple, 3 legs under 21, lets be conservative and say the 3 average 20.8. Which is what happened at the nats, then just insert CVB for Holten. Thats a 1:23.4.

      I don’t want to pretend to claim I can break down kzoo’s relay. Even if I concede ellis a 21.0 leadoff I don’t see them having three guys under 21, the BEST I can see is three guys averaging 21.0, so thats a 1:24.0. For some hypothetical analysis lets give Greiner a .3 drop from his relay split at nats we have a 20.7. Then Fleming (I could only find a 22.1 from last year, but i’m sure he has been faster) lets say 21.0. Fonzi was a 22.0 leadoff last year at leagues and nats, so lets give him some relay magic and say 21.1. Now if Bazzel is going to be on it, I’m not sure what to give him, but again I don’t see anything faster than a 21.1. Thats a 1:23.7 out of kzoo w/ everyone getting time drops, and Hope not getting any. I’m sure y’all will chime in and tell me how wrong I am, but there it is.

    • #41194
      Nasty Natti
      Member

      I think K’s 200 FR will be a little faster than 1:23.7, here’s the breakdown:

      Jason Hass (swimming fly), should be sub 20.0 with a good relay exchange, lets be safe and say 19.9. When you substitute him for either Bazzel, Fleming or Greiner, the relay improves by over a second. 1:23.7- 1.0= 1:22.7. Im sorry I just dont see Hope’s relay being nearly that fast. Perhaps a time trial by them might get the job done.

    • #41195
      facenorth
      Member

      Speaking of Jason… someone said he was injured. I haven’t seen his name in any of the results. Can any of you AAP boys shed some light? He’s a great kid.

    • #41196
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      lets give Greiner a .3 drop from his relay split at nats we have a 20.7.

      Then Fleming (I could only find a 22.1 from last year, but i’m sure he has been faster) lets say 21.0.

      Now if Bazzel is going to be on it, I’m not sure what to give him, but again I don’t see anything faster than a 21.1.

      Greiner split a 20.8 two times last year, Bazzel split a 21.10 in HS last year, and Flemming has aplit 21.7 several times in season this year. 1:23.7 is about where I put them too, but certainly no where close to their ceiling. My true assessment, not the one to make Stevo upset, is that Kzoo will be 1:23.7 and Hope will be 1:23.4

    • #41197
      Bocephus
      Member

      you people need to get lives

    • #41198
      SwexasTim
      Member

      so cheadle you put them where I put them?

    • #41199
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      so cheadle you put them where I put them?

      Yeah accept it appears you think they will probably be a little slower and I think they will probably be a little faster. Whatever though.

    • #41200
      SwexasTim
      Member

      don’t whatever me, can’t we just make a d3swimming.com first and have a k guy and a hope guy agree?

    • #41201
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      don’t whatever me, can’t we just make a d3swimming.com first and have a k guy and a hope guy agree?

      Yeah it was the holiday weekend that got me feeling cheery. Back to reality. You are totally wrong (about what, I am not sure), and so is Stevo.

    • #41202
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Fair enough cheadle, there was something in the air during thanksgiving, I agree I am wrong kzoo won’t break 2 minutes in the 200 free relay and if you ask stevo I’m being generous.

    • #41203
      Stevo
      Member

      Yeah it was the holiday weekend that got me feeling cheery

      I don’t care what weekend it is, i don’t like K swimming and OSU football.

      I think K has a legitimate shot at breaking 1:24 in the 200 FR but will not touch Hope.

      I feel like we beat a dead horse with this debate…ever since i was a freshman we have had this same conversation. THIS IS NOT THE YEAR HOPE LOSES. To much talent.

    • #41204
      silentp
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      Yeah it was the holiday weekend that got me feeling cheery

      I don’t care what weekend it is, i don’t like K swimming and OSU football.

      I think K has a legitimate shot at breaking 1:24 in the 200 FR but will not touch Hope.

      I feel like we beat a dead horse with this debate…ever since i was a freshman we have had this same conversation. THIS IS NOT THE YEAR HOPE LOSES. To much talent.

      Looks like OSU might sneak their way into the National Championship game, which would suck. They need a playoff.

      I really hope K is finally able to break 1:24. They have the talent to do it and the oldest person on the relay would be a sophomore.

      Which relay will be closer, the 400 FR (which has been debated as a relay K could win, which I disagree with) or the 400 MR? I’d lean towards the 400 MR.

    • #41205
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Great question p, doing my crazy dutch math it came out just about even. I had Hope winning the 400 free relay by about 3.5 sec and zoo winning the 400 MR by about 3.5. Now I am probably way off on my splits, for both teams, but looking at it, you really pose a great question. Right now I think the 400 FR will be closer but I can easily be swayed.

      ps were your parents 1st cousins who were also bad at ping pong?

    • #41206
      El Duderino
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      I don’t care what weekend it is, i don’t like K swimming and OSU football.

      They were talking about agreeing on a time that a relay would go – thats objective and it really has nothing to do with liking or not liking Hope or Kzoo. On that note, I agree that Ohio State sucks, and if they make it into the National Title Game, I cannot wait to see them get throttled again.

    • #41207
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @El Duderino wrote:

      They were talking about agreeing on a time that a relay would go – thats objective and it really has nothing to do with liking or not liking Hope or Kzoo.

      An interesting point. Is it possible to be objective about something if you have strong feelings one way or the other. I suppose that would be contradictory.

      @El Duderino wrote:

      On that note, I agree that Ohio State sucks, and if they make it into the National Title Game, I cannot wait to see them get throttled again.

      I doubt that OSU will get throttled by WVU. Neither are that good, OSU is less worse. Bad year for college football. Does anyone deserve to be in the title game? Not really.

    • #41208
      Vic
      Member

      The college football posts are now in the Fun & Stuff forum.

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