Kazoo/Hope meet

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    • #12826
      Sea Dog
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      I want to start by saying I am a Calvin Alum so there is not much bias here. The swimmers from both schools performed well. Good meet!
      Now I have to say this was the worst organized and unprofessionally run meet I have ever been to. It starts with not even being able to pull off the national anthem. Didn’t even try it today.
      No heat sheets Friday. Clock doesn’t work at all Friday.
      Clock works partially today, Officials arguing over who placed where. Changing winners from day to day. What have I missed?
      Is this the best the highest priced college in the MIAA can put together.
      And we complain about the HCAC?
      The sad part is the kids from all 3 schools work their butts off, 2 a days,
      six days a week, have only a few meets a year, and this the support they get.
      I hope there was a representative from the MIAA present.
      It was an embarrasment.

    • #40903
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Hey there, guy. You ever have your computer crash on you, in the middle of something, for no reason at all? Yeah? Well, these things happen. You want a professionally run meet? Go to the Olympics. That’s a professional meet. Last time that I checked, we were all amateurs and volunteers (that’s the beauty of Division III). Even when the clock works at meets, there are going to be arguments over the order of finish – that’s why the officials still watch the order of the finish and make sure that what they see is consistent with the board.

      Is it the best that we could have put together? Absolutely not. But unless you have never seen a computer program crash for unknown reasons, keep your judgments and your comments to yourself. Especially when your grammar is on par with an average middle school student.

    • #40904
      silentp
      Member

      @Sea Dog wrote:

      I want to start by saying I am a Calvin Alum so there is not much bias here.

      Your brother swims for Hope right? No bias? Come on, we all have bias, especially when siblings are involved.

      It was a poorly run meet from what I hear, but these things happen. Also, last I checked, no K guys were asking to host MIAAs at Kzoo rather than HCAC.

      For the most expensive reference, K puts it’s money into the education, not athletics, obviously.

    • #40905
      Milhouse
      Member

      If you require a professionaly run meet, call professionals. Besides, the non-playing national anthem is a Kalamazoo tradition. Whenever that happened back in my day, we just sang it ourselves. It could be worse…one time we had to listen to a Whitney Houston version of the national anthem, which is WAY worse than it not playing at all.

    • #40906

      Well we had a national anthem on friday night, which i believe was a Boyz II Men recording, which broke out into “America the Beautiful” midway through the national anthem. The version was at least 4 minutes long.

    • #40907

      @iamdonovan wrote:

      Especially when your grammar is on par with an average middle school student.

      No kidding. I had to strain just to complete reading that post, which was more of a series of non-related statements. It literally reads like it was translated from Linear B or something. Good lord.

    • #40908
      MilkMan
      Member

      @Sea Dog wrote:

      The sad part is the kids from all 3 schools work their butts off, 2 a days,
      six days a week, have only a few meets a year, and this the support they get.

      The sad part is that these teams put on a heck of a performance in the pool, and this is the support you show.

      I am the unprofessional who ran the meet, and I will not let the focus of the meet be taken away from the tremendous action that took place in the pool. Admittedly, this was the worst meet I have ever been a part of in terms of timing equipment and computers, and this will certainly be addressed before the next home meet. But due to the efforts of the coaches and several volunteers, the swimmers were able to put on a great show despite technical issues.

      I apologize to those of you that did not have the experience that you expected, but I do not apologize for the effort that I and many others put in so this meet could be held at all.

    • #40909
      Anonymous
      Member

      Legitimus non carborundum.

    • #40910
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Illegitimus is where I think you were going with that, but yeah.

    • #40911
      Anonymous
      Member

      Yep … thanks for the heads up.

    • #40912
      quacker
      Member

      @Nehemiah Ingram wrote:

      Well we had a national anthem on friday night, which i believe was a Boyz II Men recording, which broke out into “America the Beautiful” midway through the national anthem. The version was at least 4 minutes long.

      For some reason that strikes me as the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum. Did everyone really sit through a 4 minute Boyz II Men patriotic medley? That’s freaking hilarious.

    • #40913
      Peregrin
      Member

      I’d never heard of Linear B so thanks to Captain Insano (and Wikipedia) for improving my life that little bit.

    • #40914

      @Sea Dog wrote:

      Now I have to say this was the worst organized and unprofessionally run meet I have ever been to. It starts with not even being able to pull off the national anthem. Didn’t even try it today.
      No heat sheets Friday. Clock doesn’t work at all Friday.
      Clock works partially today, Officials arguing over who placed where. Changing winners from day to day. What have I missed?

      What have you missed? How about some fantastic racing. I felt no clock was a nice repreve and got the swimmers to focus on racing, not times.

      We HAD (until this fall) IST timing systems here and had complete failures on several occasions and the Kalamazoo staff – because of organization and professionalism – kept the meet moving forward on schedule and without complaint from the coaches despite a complete mechanical breakdown on Friday night. When the starter failed, we moved to a gun. When the system crashed, no problems volunteers came out of the stands and coaches loaned extra watches so we would be legal and fair. Swimming the meet and racing the races was a far better alternative than waiting and waiting and waiting to get things back up and running. When it came to scoring, Joey did a great job of keeping the fans up-to-date with the running scores.

      I’ve been in their situation more times than I’d care to mention, and I thought the whole Kalamazoo staff did a great job.

      Rather than bellyaching about their being a MIAA rep there, I would say I hope that the Kalamazoo AD was there – to see what a deplorable set of equipment Kathy and her staff have to work with and make the investment – like we did this summer – in a new system.

      As for heat sheets – grow up, this isn’t age-group and was pretty easy to figure out:Carthage was in 2&5, Hope in 3&6, Kzoo in 1&4. In a dual meet coaches don’t have to enter swimmers in an event until the starter calls them up. Its a courtesy to the meet managers that coaches pre-enter their kids at all and I’ve been to far more meets where we’re handing in entries moments before the event goes off.

      Greg Earhart
      Men’s Coach
      Carthage College

      PS – On separate occasions you note:
      @Sea Dog wrote:

      The sad part is the kids from all 3 schools work their butts off…and this the support they get.
      The swimmers from both schools performed well. Good meet!

      Putting that lack of bias aside, which team worked their butt off and didn’t perform well because I couldn’t tell.

    • #40915
      Monkey Boy
      Member

      Looks like your post was well-received, Sea Dog! Great job!

    • #40916
      ajp
      Member

      Not that running any of the meets at Calvin over the past 5 years (which I’ve been in charge of) have run much better.

      Blaming the meet on those in charge accomplishes nothing. Suck it up, realize the meet is just about racing, and if you get times on the clock, splits, heat sheets, or more, then it’s just a bonus.

      As was mentioned, if the AD and such were there, at least they’re semi-knowledgeable of the system.

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