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    • #12851
      Derek
      Member

      What would it take get get a Kalamazoo College Men’s Swimming & Diving Fund set up? It seems that we could do it as long as the fund then purchases items for the team instead of giving money or access to the money directly to Kathy/the team. I wonder if there is even a way to set this up on PayPal to make it really easy. Anybody familiar with this? Legal issues?

      The reason I ask is because it has come to my attention that the athletic department is completely incompetent and I hate giving my money to incompetent people:

      http://www.kzoo.edu/afgiving/flash/incomparable/

    • #41221
      Derek
      Member

      Oh yeah, and I already replied to Hess to let her know she’s an idiot for sending out that video:

      @derekjansen@gmail.com wrote:

      Hello Athletic Department,

      I have some major objections to the Athletic Fund video that I received recently in my e-mail.

      1. All (or nearly all) costs to attend national championship meets and tournaments are covered by the NCAA to ensure a level playing field for all institutions. In fact, for 2007-08, all travel costs are covered directly by the NCAA and $75 per diem for each athlete and non-athlete participants (coaches). Indicating that the college spends $800 to send Katy Stefl to nationals is incorrect.

      2. Why would this video highlight so few sports and not highlight success, in both academia and sport? Is the athletic department trying to prove that sports are expensive and are a burden or that sports are a valuable component of a Kalamazoo College education?

      3. Why would I donate money to women’s volleyball, women’s soccer, men’s basketball, women’s swimming, and football simply because of a price tag? I was a men’s swimmer and last time I checked men’s swimming is scored separately from all other sports at Kalamazoo College, including women’s swimming. If the point is cost, then I am bound to be selfish for my sport and only want to send money for my sport. Please try and demonstrate how my contribution will matter either to the mission of the college or to men’s swimming. Don’t try to convince me that I need to buy cleats for a women’s soccer player because study and play at Kalamazoo is “incomparable” without proving it – what did this women’s soccer player accomplish as a student-athlete?

      4. Did you mean “Priceless” but use “incomparable” to avoid copyright infringement? This is more along the lines of “incomprehensible” than “smart”.

      It is the duty of the Athletic Department to set high standards for student-athletes. This video indicates that the Athletic Department doesn’t have time to do its homework, doesn’t care about academics, and definitely does not have high standards. How can the athletic department expect to receive widespread support from the rest of the campus when it holds itself to such low standards? I expect more out of a place where I spent 4 years pouring my time and passion into my sport. I am severely disappointed. This video was more embarrassing and offensive than anything else.

      Derek Jansen, K’05
      Men’s Swimming & Diving Co-captain 2005
      Primary Author of the Kalamazoo College Athletic Leadership Council Constitution
      Founder & CEO of d3swimming.com

    • #41222
      El Duderino
      Member

      You forgot to mention that when it says “trip to tournament in Florida: $500,” what it actually means is “four or five more losses on the basketball team’s overall record: $500.”

    • #41223
      Low Tide
      Member

      Maybe 7 years ago I went to Jimmy Jones and gave a proposal to start a fund for the swim team (largely to help for a new pool). To be honest, I can not even remember why I was told I could not do it….

      I think I had to get on some sort of athletic or alumni commission to have any chance, and of course the problems with money going only towards one sport.

      Setting up an account on paypal and buying items for the team may be a way of skirting the system, but I do not think Kathy would be able to acknowledge its existence and therefore she would simply not do it.

      Basically, you need to set up a legal trust to have any sort of real luck with this. I believe Kenyon has a swim team fund, and wish we could find more info on that.

    • #41224
      Low Tide
      Member

      That flash advertisement was a piece of junk, by the way.

      I am completely flabbergasted Smith is the athletic director now. I could not stand her when I went to K and she has the personality of a rabbit turd (not remotely as charismatic as a dog turd).

      EDIT: I meant Kristen Smith.

    • #41225
      El Duderino
      Member

      Hess isn’t the AD, she’s just the director of the Athletic Fund. Kristen Smith is the AD, which I would argue is considerably worse because not only does she have no idea what she is doing, but she seems bound and determined to suck as much fun out of college athletics as she possibly can.

    • #41226
      Derek
      Member

      I agree about Smith… She is the biggest fun vacuum ever. And Hess isn’t much better.

      mav, haven’t your parents been able to avoid the Athletic Fund by purchasing stuff for the team directly? Do you know anything about that?

      If there is enough interest in this, maybe I’ll reach out to Steen and see if he can provide any info.

    • #41227
      VP2008
      Member

      Kristen Smith is an idiot. I feel like I’m in high school again when I’m around her. And that video was a bunch of horse shit. I’m not sure about the NCAA rules about setting up a fund like that because athletes are not allowed to receive any money for swimming. I think it would have to be through Kathy or something.

      PS-Derek, I love the letter you sent.

    • #41228
      Vic
      Member

      Alumni can purchase items for the team. That’s how the power racks were acquired, and some of the women alumni bought the women a hot tub this year. So, it can be done.

    • #41229
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      Mr. Arce was able to help out with the training trip last year, and wanted to make sure it was tax deductible, so they said as long as it is specified use, not just to the swim team it could be done.

    • #41230
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      @El Duderino wrote:

      Kristen Smith is the AD, which I would argue is considerably worse because not only does she have no idea what she is doing, but she seems bound and determined to suck as much fun out of college athletics as she possibly can.

      That statement sums up Kristen Smith entirely. She is probably the worst person for the AD position and I have expressed it in multiple surveys/questioners and conversations that come up about Kalamazoo athletics. I have not run across any person that thinks she is doing a good job as the AD (Kathy and Steve included I believe). I also am convinced that she hates the swim team and is out to get us in any way possible. Two specific circumstances come to mind:

      1) She was nowhere to be found at the meet last weekend. Obviously a strong statement that she doesn’t care about our team if she cannot make it out to at least a portion of our two day meet against our biggest rival… It also would have been nice for her to see our shitty timing system/computer that refused to fused function Friday night…quite an embarrassment, especially with recruits present.

      2) This fall we tailgated for the Adrian/K football blowout (with a recruit as well). Kristen was 100% sure that we had a keg in our car and we were passing out beers to everyone in the stands (all 5 of them). She stood above us on a hill for a good 15 minutes “watching the game.” Then later told the Kzoo rent-a-cops to inspect us, which was an absolute joke. I’m pretty sure Zack Jane (recruit) did not like the scrutiny we were under. Little did she know (or just not care) that it was the basketball team, 5 cars over from us, had a keg in their truck. But she wouldn’t ever inspect them, because they don’t have the “Men’s Swimming/Diving” title…

      Bottom line: Kristen Smith is entirely wrong for the AD position and has shown it over the last few months (if not years). I would support any movement to get her removed (but of course that won’t happen b/c she is a lesbian and our school would never fire her…it raises our diversity)

    • #41231
      El Duderino
      Member

      I think we have it all wrong. Sports aren’t about winning, they are about trying really hard and giving your all. That’s why we shouldn’t fire Coach Brooks, Coach Johnson, Coach Hess or any other coach who hasn’t had a winning record in the past decade. Because its about more than winning, guys, its about having fun.

      I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit while typing that. Anyway, the problem that I have with Kristen is that she’s a trainer, not a coach. If she was a coach, she would realize that sports are a lot more fun when teams win. No one likes swimming the 400 IM enough that they will still be happy about it after getting beat by 30 seconds. They swim because they want to win and be a part of a winning team.

      If she had coaching background, she would also realize some of the things that she hates so much (initiations in particular), are actually good for a team. If she could give me hard evidence about one Kalamazoo College athlete who was psychologically damaged by going on a scavenger hunt, then I might reconsider. Until then, she can suck my balls. (Am I allowed to say that on this forum?)

      By the way, did you ever get a response from that email, Derek?

    • #41232
      Low Tide
      Member

      (but of course that won’t happen b/c she is a lesbian and our school would never fire her…it raises our diversity)

      I knew it!!!

      That sucks… if you are gay at Kzoo (or almost any liberal arts institute) you are pretty much guaranteed to have your job for life. Another 20-30 years of that dowdy bitch to go.

    • #41233
      Derek
      Member

      @El Duderino wrote:

      By the way, did you ever get a response from that email, Derek?

      No response yet, but it’s still Thanksgiving weekend and I sent it yesterday… we’ll see what comes up next week.

    • #41234
      Derek
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      (but of course that won’t happen b/c she is a lesbian and our school would never fire her…it raises our diversity)

      I knew it!!!

      That sucks… if you are gay at Kzoo (or almost any liberal arts institute) you are pretty much guaranteed to have your job for life. Another 20-30 years of that dowdy bitch to go.

      I’m not sure if it is that she is lesbian that makes it so that she keeps her job, but it is that she is lesbian that protects her from criticism. People who don’t like her are clearly gay-bashers and are incapable of understanding her and her sophisticated approach to athletics.

      Basically, don’t say anything bad in public (I don’t consider this public, we can say whatever we want) about her or it will immediately be equated to homophobia and discrimination. Critical of her performance on the job? Clearly you have a hidden agenda to remove homosexuals from sport and positions of power.

    • #41235
      silentp
      Member

      1. Kristen Smith is a former coach Heintz, she coached women’s softball.

      2. I didn’t have a problem with the video, I think those who did (other than it being boring and weak on graphics), just looked at it the wrong way. I didn’t see it as sports just costing big money, but why you should help out.

      3. I am against creating a fund if Kathy doesn’t have any say on how the money is used. She is the coach.

    • #41236
      maverick1
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      3. I am against creating a fund if Kathy doesn’t have any say on how the money is used. She is the coach.

      i agree here, and thanks for pointing out that she’s the coach

      here’s one thing i don’t get about the video and it mostly pissed me off that they just did such a crappy job and had misleading information, but it was seriously waaaaaaay to short to actually drive much of a point home.

      i’m really saddened by the fact that the video could be very nice, but they just didn’t take the time to do so

    • #41237
      silentp
      Member

      @maverick wrote:

      @silentp wrote:

      3. I am against creating a fund if Kathy doesn’t have any say on how the money is used. She is the coach.

      i agree here, and thanks for pointing out that she’s the coach

      I forgot I wasn’t posting on the main forum and therefore this wouldn’t be read by Hope people… where you really need to spell things out.

      Just as a note, sending Stefl to Nationals probably did cost around 800, because while the NCAA does pay for Kathy and Stefl to go, they do not pay for an assistant until you send something like 8 swimmers. I am pretty sure Steve went, since she is a distance swimmer (his group) and the expenses on that probably totaled close to 800.

    • #41238
      iamdonovan
      Member

      On a slightly different but kind of related note, Coach Brooks has announced his resignation today, effective immediately. Any chance that we’ll lure Les Miles away from LSU to coach at K?

    • #41239
      madrileno
      Member

      It can be done. If you designate your donations for the swim team, they must spend the money on the swim team.

      the other way to do this is to talk to development and create a discretionary fund to be used by the coach on his/her will. The head coach can use the money however he/she wants. (Better idea)

      Currently, I have one account that I can use in any way. All I have is my fiscal responsibility to manage it. (DANGEROUS!) And, we are creating an endowed account in addition to the first. I am also working on creating a second endowed fund as a memorial to a deceased swim member.

      We could easily set up a fund and call it the Bob Kent Swimming Fund. The money can be used by the swim/dive team as seen fit by the head coach of swimming and diving.

      Someone can do the legwork and then let us know… although, they will probably be hitting us all up for money for the new pool they will build in a couple of years.

      -mark fino

    • #41240
      Derek
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      Just as a note, sending Stefl to Nationals probably did cost around 800, because while the NCAA does pay for Kathy and Stefl to go, they do not pay for an assistant until you send something like 8 swimmers. I am pretty sure Steve went, since she is a distance swimmer (his group) and the expenses on that probably totaled close to 800.

      Yeah, I realized that after I sent the e-mail – Hess replied to me today, it was pretty interesting:

      @Jeanne Hess wrote:

      Hello Derek,
      Thank you for your comments and concern for the well-being of our Athletic Fund efforts. I will address your concerns below in blue and hope that you remain open to the changes happening in all of athletics during these next few years.
      From: Derek Jansen [mailto:derekjansen@gmail.com]
      Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:08 PM
      To: Kristi Ransbottom; Jeanne Hess
      Subject: Re: Kalamazoo College Athletics (Athletic Fund Video)

      Hello Athletic Department,

      I have some major objections to the Athletic Fund video that I received recently in my e-mail.

      1. All (or nearly all) costs to attend national championship meets and tournaments are covered by the NCAA to ensure a level playing field for all institutions. In fact, for 2007-08, all travel costs are covered directly by the NCAA and $75 per diem for each athlete and non-athlete participants (coaches). Indicating that the college spends $800 to send Katy Stefl to nationals is incorrect. During the formation of the brochure which the flash piece was modeled after, I spoke with each coach to determine costs of different things associated with their sport. Coach Milliken provided those numbers from receipts in her files, and will be happy to talk with you about costs not covered by the NCAA such as car rental, hotel room in Houston which was more than the reimbursement rate and so on. When there are so few swimmers attending the costs are greater, which was the case for Katy.

      2. Why would this video highlight so few sports and not highlight success, in both academia and sport? Is the athletic department trying to prove that sports are expensive and are a burden or that sports are a valuable component of a Kalamazoo College education? The tag line “To play and study at Kalamazoo…” was meant to address the athletic/academic piece of our education. I’m sorry if you took it differently. And frankly, yes, our athletic program has been underfunded for years, and the cost of playing any season increases on an annual basis more than the 3% allowed by the College. That is our reality, but with a change in administration, an increased voice by students (thanks in large part to the ALC), increased KAF efforts and more alumni/trustee involvement, we have been successsful in letting those who set the college priorities know that indeed, we are worthy of full institutional support. Until that happens, we must rely on the generosity of people like you to help all sports remain competitive. You will also be receiving the same message in your mail with a cover letter explaining more than what you received via email. We are simply trying to reach as many friends and alumni as possible with several different messaging sources.

      3. Why would I donate money to women’s volleyball, women’s soccer, men’s basketball, women’s swimming, and football simply because of a price tag? I was a men’s swimmer and last time I checked men’s swimming is scored separately from all other sports at Kalamazoo College, including women’s swimming. If the point is cost, then I am bound to be selfish for my sport and only want to send money for my sport. Please try and demonstrate how my contribution will matter either to the mission of the college or to men’s swimming. Don’t try to convince me that I need to buy cleats for a women’s soccer player because study and play at Kalamazoo is “incomparable” without proving it – what did this women’s soccer player accomplish as a student-athlete? You may continue to earmark specifically to Men’s Swimming, however our message has become one of inclusion; that a rising tide raises all ships. Gifts to the Kalamazoo Athletic Fund help all of our budgets get to a level of full support, where KAF covers whatever amount the budgeting process does not. We continue to ask for excellence in all programs, and for better or worse that means financial support. And the featured soccer player, Sarah Arnosky, is one of the most inspirational athletes on campus and is the current ALC president. She was the first person to come to mind as we put the brochure together. All athletes highlighted are wonderful representations of the scholar-athlete at Kalamazoo.

      4. Did you mean “Priceless” but use “incomparable” to avoid copyright infringement? This is more along the lines of “incomprehensible” than “smart”. Yes, we meant “priceless” and yes, we did that intentionally to avoid copyright infringement. We honestly believe that this experience is priceless, or we would not be here working day in and day out to fulfill the athletic mission which is born out of the College mission. We have amazingly talented people who helped us craft the brochure and the email flash-piece; people for whom I have the utmost admiration and who create financial asks on a regular basis. I am grateful for their willingness to engage with the athletic department to help us in our fund-raising efforts.

      It is the duty of the Athletic Department to set high standards for student-athletes. This video indicates that the Athletic Department doesn’t have time to do its homework, doesn’t care about academics, and definitely does not have high standards. How can the athletic department expect to receive widespread support from the rest of the campus when it holds itself to such low standards? I expect more out of a place where I spent 4 years pouring my time and passion into my sport. I am severely disappointed. This video was more embarrassing and offensive than anything else. I am sorry you choose to feel this way about our efforts to fund our athletic programs, but I do believe that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I work with my volleyball athletes to ensure that as they leave Kalamazoo they are secure in their voice. so it is nice to know that you are as well. If you no longer wish to receive athletic solicitations, there is a link at the bottom of the email to remove yourself from any athletic emailing, phoning or mailings.
      Regards,

      Jeanne Hess
      Director, KAF
      Professor and Chair, Department of Physical Education
      Senior Woman Adminiatrator
      Volleyball Coach

    • #41241
      silentp
      Member

      She made you look like a dumbass dude.

    • #41242
      VP2008
      Member

      she’s still a bad AD. hot, hot, scissor.

    • #41243
      Derek
      Member

      I should have quoted you before you said that… I predicted what you’d say.

      I would disagree overall – I don’t buy most of her crap about rising tide. She didn’t counter my point that the video was not convincing and didn’t adequately address the academic side, and she tried to say that her respect for the people who made the video meant it was better than crap – which as we all know it wasn’t.

      Also, she carefully chose her words to say that I am choosing to feel “this way” about her valiant efforts to fund Kalamazoo College athletics – turning my argument on its head – by making it seem that I am not supporting K athletics because I was demanding higher standards. Hmm?

      But you are right, I did look foolish about the $800 thing.

      I do wish she’d spelled “Administrator” correctly in her signature.

    • #41244
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Uh, Barrett… Jeanne Hess is not the AD. That’s Kristen Smith. So, you know… way to mess that up.

    • #41245
      Vic
      Member

      Derek,

      Why are you getting so worked up about this? It’s just a stupid fundraising video. Who gives a sh!t.

    • #41246
      Derek
      Member

      @Vic wrote:

      Derek,

      Why are you getting so worked up about this? It’s just a stupid fundraising video. Who gives a sh!t.

      Fair enough.

    • #41247
      VP2008
      Member

      My bad, I wasn’t paying enough attention. Kristen Smith is a bad AD. Hess is….I dunno, you can decide, bobo

    • #41248
      silentp
      Member

      I will continue to make donations only to the Swim Team, not the athletic fund. To be honest, this has nothing to do with how good the other teams are. If I give $50 to the athletic fund, I would imagine at least 25 of those dollars will go to Football and Basketball (perhaps more). Then the other 25 are divided amongst the remaining sports, giving them each approximately 2 dollars. Now I realize my 50 dollar contributions aren’t big money for anyone, but I’d rather see those go to the swimmers if at all possible. That doesn’t matter if K becomes the next Mount Union or not.

      I do like to idea of getting together and purchasing something for the team. When I was a senior, the warm ups were purchased for us and I can’t think of a nicer gift from the alumni. The only thing I can think of that is a major need right now is the record board. Does anyone know the cost of one of those?

    • #41249
      Milhouse
      Member

      @iamdonovan wrote:

      On a slightly different but kind of related note, Coach Brooks has announced his resignation today, effective immediately. Any chance that we’ll lure Les Miles away from LSU to coach at K?

      Nick Saban is always available.

      As for the fund thing, don Fino makes it sound like it’s possible. Is there an advantage to having our own fund as opposed to simply designating our donations for “swimming and diving”? Seems easier to just do the latter, as long as the money actually gets put toward swimming and diving. Does Kathy have an opinion on it?

      And as for Kristen, how the hell did she get to be AD anyway? She was the trainer when I was at K. The TRAINER. Maybe when she retires, Hammer will be AD (is Hammer still around?). I have to say that I am disappointed in the school’s overall committment to athletics, as evidenced by K’s position in the MIAA standings in just about every sport.

      And what is ALC anyway?

    • #41250
      El Duderino
      Member

      Athletic Leadership Council. Basically a group of athletes that sit around and organize programs (Pep Rally, Dodgeball tournament, Tailgating before Football games, etc) and try to raise student awareness about Athletics on campus. Its a good idea, it just needs the right leadership in place (which we did NOT have last year).

    • #41251
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Yes, Hammer is still around.

    • #41252
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      So I talked to Mr. Coach, and apparently he said that Kathy has been trying to make this type of thing happening, and money is always a struggle. He also said the best way and probably the only way we could make this happen is to confront them about this idea as alumns. Mr. coach would also like to be allowed into this forum.

    • #41253
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      What would everyone think about starting up a group that would talk to the ad and people needed to be addressed at kalamazoo college to do this, or even get a petition going.

    • #41254
      miller
      Member

      be aware of what kind of money you need to make this work.
      Just so everyone’s on the same page, I’m on the board of a local community foundation.

      We needed $50,000 endowed in order to generate $2,500/year in grants.

      You can bet that whatever the size of your endowed fund, about (or prescisely, depending on how the foundation is setup) 5% of the funds will be available for annual grants.

      It would help to have a goal. Take a look at the alumni giving to see how much $50k is. It’s not impossible, but it’s not easy given the small pool of potential donors.

    • #41255
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      How do we raise each year for the athletic fund? That is the real question, is the team getting near the amount that is donated or are they being shafted.

    • #41256
      MilkMan
      Member

      I heard about this mysterious secret land, and my curiousity was peaked. Thanks Joey.

      Here is what I know from talking with Kathy, and I can assure you that this is probably her greatest frustration. As Coach Fino indicated, there are several other schools that have some sort of fund dedicated to the swim team. I know Denison has one. Dollar amounts are suggested based on items that could be purchased – paddles, buoys, hotel room, one trip to florida, new pool, etc. This may be their way of dealing with various obstacles.

      The biggest obstacle that I hear Kathy complaining about, and I don’t talk with her a lot about it because it is a source of stress, is the administration on campus. There are several competing interests all trying to get your money – Athletic Fund, Development Office, Alumni Office. None of these are interested in having any competition from the swim team. (Notwithstanding the fact that the football team has such a fund, but we will disregard that for the moment.)

      For example, when budgets were real tight last year and was going to have to be addressed, fund raising needed to be done by the team. There were specific groups they were told they could not fundraise from for this purpose – alumni and family included.

      If you want to pursue this, and I think it is a good idea, you are going to have to address those competing interests. It is not working from the coach level, perhaps alumni will have more power.

      Also, understand that all of this is second or third hand information from a very biased source. I am providing it not because I want to be heavily involved, but because I think it is important and you should be as well informed as possible.

      Best of luck and happy holidays!

    • #41257
      Low Tide
      Member

      Depends what we want to accomplish.

      An endowed fund is a tall order and will be tough as hell to get approved… I had tried.

      Kathy needs to find out if it would be possible for alumni to pool money together (let’s say in a money market fund) to be used for the sole purpose of the swim team. Setting up the account is the easy part… I just do not want there to be any issues with the college.

      Can we literally set up an account, and once a year give a check to the swim team if we designate that check for a specific purpose (ie. this is for a new score board)?

    • #41258
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Miller a 5% distribution rate is pretty low actually. Was that recommendation made by a financial advisor? IF so it might be out of self interest: lower distribution rate = larger account balance = more fees collected by advisor. I am completely in the dark here on this though.

      Anyhow if you want to get this done 3 things need to happen:

      1) Someone needs to head it up
      2) Said person needs to go to Alumni and get pledges. This does not mean collecting money, just a commitment to give money if it gets set up
      3) and this is by far the most important step Call Coach Kent and find out how and the heck to get this done. Tell him we have the pedges. He will know what to do.

    • #41259
      Low Tide
      Member

      5% does not seem that bad given historically low interest rates — though 6% does seem doable.

      Jussi – since you are the only one still in the “biz” I’d vote to have you handle setting it up…

      But, I still do not know if that is the best way to go. Setting up this type of fund will take someone in Kalamazoo (either Coach Kent, Don Knoechel or Chris Elston) to jump through all the hoops.

      Right now, I am just more interested in pooling money to buy a damn new score board… this year! If that is easier to do, and quicker, then let’s just do that.

    • #41260
      Milhouse
      Member

      I think the scoreboard is fine, it’s way better than the piece of shit we had where if you finished an event 5th or 6th you were lucky if it even got around to showing your time…um, not that I got 5th or 6th place very often, that’s beside the point. The record board, however…

      It sounds like, given the wonderful administration at K wanting to get their grubby fingers on our money, the fund will be a longshot to even set up. If anyone would know anything about it, it would be Coach Kent. Does anyone know if he tried to have something similar set up while he was AD?

    • #41261
      Vic
      Member

      What’s wrong with the record board?

    • #41262
      Duck
      Member

      Oops… I meant the record board. That thing is starting to look like wet cardboard.

      Yes, I talked with coach about setting a fund up back in ’99 — He would have been all for it, it just was exceedingly difficult to get going. And keep in mind he was the athletics director at the time.

    • #41263
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Duck wrote:

      Oops… I meant the record board. That thing is starting to look like wet cardboard.

      Yes, I talked with coach about setting a fund up back in ’99 — He would have been all for it, it just was exceedingly difficult to get going. And keep in mind he was the athletics director at the time.

      I am not a much of a dreamer so I actually don’t think it can be done either. That said, wouldn’t having the pledges go along way towards this?

    • #41264
      silentp
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      I am not a much of a dreamer

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      I also think Kzoo wins the 200 Free Relay

      Care to comment? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    • #41265
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      I am not a much of a dreamer

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      I also think Kzoo wins the 200 Free Relay

      Care to comment? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      Those 200 Free Relay comments are meant to piss off the Hope people. IT always works.

    • #41266
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      We need to figure out what would need to be done in order to even attempt this idea.

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      madrileno
      Member

      on another note: has anyone seen the plans for the new pool? or what is the scoop on that?

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