K v. OC and H v. GVSU

Yes Stiles, this weekend does bring us some great swimming matchups. I have to agree that your thoughts are fair. Kalamazoo could actually and I will go as far as to say will actually win more swimming events than Olivet but fail to win the meet. Diving and depth are where Olivet takes this one. Fun matchups to look for:
2 fly: Dekker vs Yury/Koji
50: Ellis vs Powers
200 IM: Dekker vs Yury
2 Breast: Fonz vs Meisner
Most of those are tossups in my eyes. Depends who is where with their training probably. But I don’t think the person that wins those events is necessarily the favorite over who they beat this weekend at MIAAs a couple weeks later. It will be fun though.

GVSU vs Hope. Ah yes, I seem to recall GVSU not being pleased with their Wheaton taper a couple of years ago and as a result they rested an extra week and posted their best times of the year in a dual meet against Hope. Faster than GLIACs or Nats. Many of those swims are still school records. Well, Hope changed the date of the meet because this happened a few years in a row and now I’m not sure they can win anyway. GVSU has so much diving and they are pretty deep. It should be a great meet.
Matchups to look for:
200 Witkowski vs VanderBroek
100 Fly Vasquez vs Nelis
200 Breast Heyboer vs Barkel

@stiles wrote:

I think we got a little sidetracked and with other topics and are not talking about a couple of good meets coming up.

K v. OC:
My initial thought was that this wouldn’t be all the close and when it is all said and done, it might not be because of diving. K, however, has the first place power and can win the medley without much of a problem. The Ellis takes the 50/1bk/2k, Foni both breasts and gives both relays a little extra punch, Dekker can snag the flyies, IM, and add to the medley. If we’re counting, and I am, that is 8 firsts, plus the medley. That’s 9 to 7 in terms of victories. Thoughts?

Also, woudl someone please post as an OC person, even if you have to make up a handle and go against everything you stand for. This forum is very K and H.

You forgot Meisner in the 2breast, but he is much more of a taper swimmer, so Fonsy could out duel him. Here is how i see it:
MR – K (sit Fonsy), unless they go for the pool record, anyone know what it is?
1000 – they could risk it with Jaffee, or for sure win with Yury, i’d go with Yury
200 – Busscher
100 back – ellis
100 breast – fonsy (pool record)
200 fly – dekker vs koji, i’ll say edge dekker
50 – Ellis vs Powers, big race
Diving – 1, 2, 3 olivet, ouch for K
100 – fonsy vs Powers/Voss, edge Olivet
200 back – ellis
200 breast – Meisner vs fonsy, probably won’t be close come taper, but could be great here, another big race
500 – Yury again most likely, if so, he wins it
100 fly – Dekker vs Koji/Fetters, big race but edge Dekker
Diving – 1, 2, 3 Olivet
200 IM – Yury vs Dekker, Yury will be tired, but will still be quick, tough race
400 FR – Olivet

Some big races could sway momentum, but i think depth and diving will overcome the wins K will get.

I don’t know GVSU well enough to comment on that dual, but i want Hope to win because i HATE D2 swimming.

@silentp wrote:

I don’t know GVSU well enough to comment on that dual, but i want Hope to win because i HATE D2 swimming.

i just wanted to make sure everyone else saw this

i’m glad we can agree on hating d2 swimming…..it’s a joke

the k vs olivet meet will be a good one, those of us who have swam for kathy in the past have seen that the final dual meet is typically very fast since the taper will be just starting for many of the guys. the 200 breast could turn out to be pretty epic, but then again meisner is a monster in this event and i’d expect him to outlast fonzi. i’m also looking forward to the pool record count from the meet, i think it’d be cool for the guys to walk into olivet and take down many of their records, but having them at your home pool is pretty sweet too.

Assuming they all swim the 2 br, whose race will be closer Fonzi v. Meisner or Heyboer v. Barkel? any predictions on times?

I think Heyboer goes 2:10 low or maybe a smidge faster. It depends on what other events he swims. Soriano probably goes 2:09 I would think. I did notice that he does not have great in season swims in the 200, but I would think someone of his caliber would be capable of going 2:09 at this point

swim5599 wrote:

I think Heyboer goes 2:10 low or maybe a smidge faster. It depends on what other events he swims. Soriano probably goes 2:09 I would think. I did notice that he does not have great in season swims in the 200, but I would think someone of his caliber would be capable of going 2:09 at this point

That’s a tough generalization to make without knowing the ins and outs of the training that they’re doing. Not to mention what type of in season swimmer he is. I went back and took at peek at Josh Boss’ career vs KZoo both at the quad meet and duals and below are his times.

Freshman:
Dual: 2:11.86

Soph:
Quad: 2:09.81
Dual: 2:11.45

Jr:
Quad: 2:10.1
Dual: 2:09.97

Sr:
Quad: 2:08.42
Dual: 2:09.53

Granted they are different swimmers. But for a guy that went 1:58, I wouldn’t consider those to be spectacular inseason times.

Ok true, but I think it is pretty clear how hard Boss worked in order to go the times that he has gone. I don’t know how Soriano trains, but if he is the next Josh Boss like everyone seems to think he is, then 2:09 would be about right.

In all seriousness, is he the second or third next josh boss. To me that seems like to many people to be comparing to him, especially since he is only 5 years removed.

Ok, I hate to be a stickler but can we never ever use the term the next josh boss again. First of all as you can tell above I think this term is way overused and secondly, I promise that if any miaa swimmer gets to boss’ caliber i’m sure we will remember them as who they are not jpb jr.

Yeah i would think getting stuck with that label as the next Josh Boss would be a tought thing to live up too

I am not sure how Josh Boss got put into this conversation or how that relates to anything, so consider me confused.

As for the guys we were talking about, I’d say around 2:10 could hapen, but most of them will likely be over that, more 2:11-12 area. Fonsy didn’t even swim breast last weekend, so we’ll see how his minor injury plays out, especially in a 200.

If memory serves me correctly, the 200 MR pool record at K’s pool is held by the winner of the last MIAA Championship held there, which i believe to be 1995. That would mean it was Hope with a 1:35.14. I find it unlikely that K could go 1:35.14, even with the drop in training. They would need to do the following:
24.2
25.5
23.3
22.1
= 1:34.8, give a couple tenths for the additonal hundredths

@silentp wrote:

If memory serves me correctly, the 200 MR pool record at K’s pool is held by the winner of the last MIAA Championship held there, which i believe to be 1995. That would mean it was Hope with a 1:35.14. I find it unlikely that K could go 1:35.14

Faulty memory. It was at kzoo in 1993. And the record is in the 1:35 high 1:36 low range

if my memory serves me correct the record is:

Im, Miller, Walker, Blowers 1:36.20 1993

i have a photographic memory

or a photograph with the record board in the background

Does the Hope/GVSU meet start at 5 or 6? I had heard 6, but the schedule on Hope’s site (which seems like it’d be more credible than the word on the street…) says 5.

Neeb,

Good thing you asked. We had been planning on 5 (hence the schedule) but got word from GVSU earlier this week that the meet was at 6, for whatever reason. Their pool, their time. See you at 6.

meet starts at 6, GVSU’s site says so, and its their senior night, with 10 seniors on the team, it will be a long meet.

http://gvsulakers.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/stats/2006-2007/gvhope.html

well, rose swam well

the women looked quick

200 breast looked close, great race

nice 100 fly by nelis

nice 200 FR with a guy under 22 leading off, holton

Well…
Holton won the 50. That was sweet. 22.15 is pretty good for this time of the year. Not to mention 21.92 200 free relay lead off.

I really don’t see how you could over look Heyboer. I mean seriously. The kid went 2:11.41 in his 200 breast and comes right back and wins the 500 in a 4:51.69. Who does that anyways?

1:58.91 out of Waterstone in the IM is definitely recognizable.

The 200 Free Relay for the men was pretty quick for in season. 1:26.56 is pretty darn good, I’d have to say.

Overall, the meet was won and lost by diving. 32 points to GVSU from diving to Hope’s 0 with a final score of 152-142. It is obvious that Hope won the swim meet and GVSU won the diving…

I know that the Calvin V. Albion meet is not as big as the upcoming Zoo V. OC meet tomorrow, but anyone think that calvin will have some decent swims tomorrow?

For being broken down, Hope had a pretty decent meet overall, and some of the races were pretty exciting, especially the Barkel/Heyboer showdown.

Where’s swim dad when you need him for updates and controversial gossip? I’m referring to GVSU’s timing system. What the heck was up with that? Every time a race ended the ref’s had to converse to see if the board was correct. This added a bit of suspense for the fans as well as the swimmers. It also ticked some swimmers off as well. I watched the 100 free when it looked like Kurti won the event but his clock never stopped and he was given 3rd in the end. Any thoughts on this controversial timing system?

The timing system sucked, but what else would you expect from an archaic system. I am positive that the officials got everything correct as far as the placement and score goes. The only thing that I really wish that we could have seen were a few of those splits, especially the anchor on Hope’s Medley (Kurti I think).

As far as the meet goes, I thought that Hope swam well for it =being a non-conference meet. GVSU swam really well I am told…although still a far cry from when they used to taper and shave for this meet.

Anyone have K results…who won? I heard Fonzy was 58.

http://www.kzoo.edu/sports/msd/msd06-07/msdresults06-07/1-27-07.html

they just posted them, fonsy’s 58 was a bit dissappointing, but booms’ 200 breast more than made up for it

dekker’s 100 fly was also solid

Few things that stuck out to me in the K v. Olivet meet…

-Key (26.89) outsplit Meisner (27.4) in the 200 med. In my mind this puts Key on the 2 med over Meisner for MIAAs

-Dare I say it….Olivet’s 2 fr and 4 fr relays will upset Calvin. Olivet goes 1,2,3 against K in the 50. With Key or Yury as the forth sprinter, I think they can pull an upset over Cal like they did last yr in the 2 fr relay. PS. Voss is swimming very well.

-Dekker…wow. 52.1…I didn’t think he would be a favorite in this event going into leagues with Nelis in it but he has def proved he can sprint fly.

-Busscher, another dark horse with a 1:47.1 in the 2 fr this weekend. I’m not sure what else he will swim at MIAA’s but he will score big for Olivet.

-Yury. I know he’s continued to post fast in-season times but 1:58.8 in the 2 fly is very quick and I think he will win this event at MIAA’s.

-Hennigar. Although I think some K guys have talked him up a bit too much, his 48.9 split should put him at 47 mid to low at MIAAs to seal the 4 med.

Now a few questions about the meet. Where was Greiner?? As far as I could see, Greiner wasn’t in either of the fly events and Hennigar wasn’t in the 50, but rather the 200. And can we get the splits for the K medley??

all i have to say right now is….

BOOMSHAKALAKA!!!!!!

@stewie wrote:

Now a few questions about the meet. Where was Greiner?? As far as I could see, Greiner wasn’t in either of the fly events and Hennigar wasn’t in the 50, but rather the 200. And can we get the splits for the K medley??

Greiner is still injured. Fonsy is back from injury and swimming breastroke again. Greiner has been swimming full practices, but they felt it best not to risk anything with this only being a dual meet.

My guess on the 200 is that those guys were swimming for spos on the 800 FR at MIAAs, because Julio was in it, instead of the 1000.

I want splits for the medley also, that’s a very quick time, considering it’s a half second off the winning time at MIAAs last year. It’s also a pool record, correct?

Ellis was 24.2, Fonz was 26.6, then Dekker and Dmitruk split up the next 46.0
It ended up 1:36.03

No S. Jaffee in the lineup? Anyone know why? dead/alive?

I doubt that was the pool record.

Great, great times out of Booms — and a 52.1 in season translates to a sub 50 fly in my book.

52.1 translates into 49 plus? That would be huge. IF He goes that fast, their medleys will be sick. I am not sure he will be quite that fast

Swimming in a real pool for the first time in months, I can confirm that 2 pool records were set. Fonz’s 100 Breast and the 200 Medley Relay both set records, albeit by slim margins.

52.1 is quite a bit faster than my best in-season swim when I went a sub-49 in the fly.

Sorry this is kind of off topic but does anyone know why JBG didn’t swim for Cal at the Albion meet? Maybe I am just out of the loop…

Booms’ 2:10 was impressive as any swim at the meet.
My lifetime best in season was 2:10.5…as a senior.
He did it in a tough race too.

Overall the meet was fast, and the Olivet fans were less annoying than years past. Nice work Comets.

My lifetime best in season was 2:10.5…as a senior.

I think it is clear that if they do not end up beating our times — We obviously trained a lot harder back then 😈

@Low Tide wrote:

My lifetime best in season was 2:10.5…as a senior.

I think it is clear that if they do not end up beating our times — We obviously trained a lot harder back then 😈

Exactly what I was thinking.