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    • #12509

      @EverybodyWangChung2Nite wrote:

      I over heard someone from Kenyon saying that they had something like 90+% improvement over seed on Thursday morning.

      Men’s – Percent Improvement over Seed Time
      Among teams with 4 or more swimmers…
      Kenyon – 96.1%
      Gustavus – 82.4%
      WashU – 75%
      Williams – 67.9%
      Emory – 66.0%
      NYU – 58.3%
      Hope 55.6%
      Denison – 51.9%
      W&L – 46.2%
      St. Olaf College – 43.8%
      Hopkins – 39.1%
      Grove – 37.5%
      Santa Cruz & Middlebury – 27.3%
      TCNJ – 16.7%
      Coast Guard – 0%

      Among those with 4 or fewer individuals:
      CMU, Alfred, Wheaton (MA) – 100% (1 guy each)
      Conn Coll (2) – 85.7%
      Point (2) – 83.3%
      MIT (3) – 80.0%
      UWLAX (2) – 75.0%
      Carthage (3) – 66.7%
      Wabash & Union (2) – 66.7%
      Meet Average = 52.2%

      Women’s – Percent Improvement over Seed Time
      Amherst – 87.0%
      Williams – 86.0%
      Emory – 69.0%
      Kenyon – 68.0%
      WashU – 64.0%
      Hopkins & Mary Wash – 60.0%
      Wheaton (Il) – 50.0%
      Middlebury & Hope – 43.0%
      Denison – 40.0%
      Calvin – 33.0%
      CMS – 31.0%
      Redlands – 30.0%
      Tufts – 30.0%
      Gustavus – 25.0%
      Springfield – 21.0%
      Point – 17.0%

      Whitworth, Colby 100% (2 swimmers)
      CWRU, Hiram, KZoo, Linfield, Nazareth, Paltz, Swarthmore, Vassar, W&J – 100% (1 swimmer)
      Meet Average = 52.0%

    • #37379
      Wally
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      96.1% is ridiculous. They haven’t been that good since 2002.

    • #37380

      That was the year that short guy coached ’em right?

    • #37381
      swim5599
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      96.1 man that is unbelievable. Somebody ought to do the same calculations to see what Auburn did at the d1 meet, because I bet it would be close.

      How many times has Kenyon been better than this? They have had some teams with more talent, but I bet this has to be one of their best teams in terms of improvement.

    • #37382

      Somebody ought to do the same calculations to see what Auburn did at the d1 meet, because I bet it would be close.

      Auburn men, 72.7% improvement; Auburn women 35% (worst among teams of 4+)
      Florida men led teams of 4 or more with 85.3%
      Arizona women led teams of 4 or more with 66%

      West Virginia men had 6.3% – worst of all teams w/4+ but women were 56%, third best

    • #37383
      swim5599
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      Wow and we all know how great Auburn swam at that meet. 96.1 seems that much more impressive now.

    • #37384

      you have to take into consideration though that many of the teams.. especially the weaker teams shave and taper for their conference meets just to get the cuts.. so you would expect less improvements at nationals only 3 or so weeks after a full taper

    • #37385
      Nescacfan
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      @chunkybearcub137 wrote:

      you have to take into consideration though that many of the teams.. especially the weaker teams shave and taper for their conference meets just to get the cuts.. so you would expect less improvements at nationals only 3 or so weeks after a full taper

      That is why the improvements of the Amherst and Williams women’s teams were so remarkable. I think Sasser was the only swimmer on both teams who was not tapered and shaved for NESCAC championships.

    • #37386
      swim5599
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      I don’t know why we continue to say that is it so difficult to rest for the conf meet and then come back and swim faster at the nat meet. IF your conf meet is 5 weeks out, it is a perfect amount of time to get after it for 3 weeks and then rest for 2. Now in Williams case they have a lot less time so what they do every year continues to really impress me.

    • #37387

      @swim5599 wrote:

      I don’t know why we continue to say that is it so difficult to rest for the conf meet and then come back and swim faster at the nat meet. IF your conf meet is 5 weeks out, it is a perfect amount of time to get after it for 3 weeks and then rest for 2. Now in Williams case they have a lot less time so what they do every year continues to really impress me.

      Well, it doesn’t work for most people (60%? WAG).

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