HS through College Times

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    • #12529
      Low Tide
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      I’ll give mine:

      Brett Robbins K’98

      100 Back
      53.01 HS
      51.89 College

      100 Fly
      51.97 HS
      48.98 College

      1:59 200 back to a 1:54 or 1:55 (can’t remember) in the 200 back
      Never swam the 200 fly before college but got to a 1:52 (go ahead and say 2:00).

      48 and 1:46 freestyler down to a low 46 and 1:42 in relays.

    • #37609
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Here are some intersting ones:

      Evan Whitbeck went a 1:57.2 in the 200 IM as a Senior at Northville HS. Best times in college 1:54.45 and 4:03.81

      Andrew Kurtz went a 59.7 in the 100 breast as a Senior Lahser, best time in college was a 56.26. Andrew did not score in the 50 in HS, and went a 20.94

      Victor Stover was a 1:56.37 in the 200 IM 4:46 in the 500 Free as a Senior at Pionner. He went a 1:54.49 in the 200 IM and 1:42.65 in the 200 Free.

      Scott Whitbeck only scored 1 point as a senior at Northville (in the 500 Free 4:48, though I think he went faster in prelims), but ended up going 1:41 / 4:34 / 15:52

      Bobby Dekker. I know he has improved so it would be good to get his official stats.

      Ryan Booms went a 1:00.25 as a senior at Walled Lake and a 59.19/ 2:08 as a sophomore (Also dropped from 2:02.3 to 2:00.3 in the 200 IM)

      Dan Kovacs went a 1:00.6 as a senior and 59.5 as a sophomore

      The improvement of Justin Fenwick (also Walled Lake Central) is really impressive (not too mention the fact that he is 5-8). 1:00.2 / 2:09 for a guy that didn’t swim at HS state. I think you can point to him as an example for some of these 1:50 200 freestyle types. Tell the 1:50 freestyler, we are counting on you being a 1:43 by the time you are a junior, and contributing to an 800 Free Relay that swims at Nationals.

      And I think it doesn’t hurt to point out that Ellis dropped from a 50.7 to 50.3 as a freshmen.

      Finally tell all of the guys to fill out their bio on K-swimming / update the top 12 list, season’s best times and school records. That stuff matters.

    • #37610
      Milhouse
      Member

      This should probably go without saying, but I’d think that time improvements of the younger swimmers/alums are more relevant to today’s HS recruit than the improvements of some geezer who swam in paper suits 10 years ago (no offense, Brett). I’d focus on mentioning the guys who had at least a season or two swimming for Kathy. And I agree Fenwick should be Case Study 1A of how a swimmer can improve and reach their maximum potential under Kathy (I think he was a 1:04 in HS?).

      And I believe Elston is now in charge of updating the web site. I’ll harass him today when we’re not yelling at Adam Dunn at the Cubs game.

    • #37611
      Low Tide
      Member

      I agree, it’s best to try and find ones from the Kathy era — But some of the older swimmers (especially some of the guys who might be recognizable from the record board) could make it on a compilation page — Denison has one of those. I think Walker was only a 53 flyer and got down to a 49 and 1:50.

      It would be a good project for someone to compile a lot of these time improvements and pass them on from year to year.

    • #37612
      silentp
      Member

      For the record, Kurtz was a 22.1 in the 50 and before Kathy he was a 21.4 or .3, dropped to a 20.9.

      I was

      100 back 54.2 (without the stand up start, 53.4 with)
      to a 54.3 in college, until kathy when i went a 52.7

      200 back i was a 1:57 in high school to a 1:55 in college until kathy then went a 1:53.

      200 IM was 2:00 to a 1:59 until kathy then a 1:56.0

      500 was a 5:00 to a 4:46 with kathy

      400 IM was a 4:26 shaved and tapered in high school to a 4:25 in practice with kathy

    • #37613
      Vic
      Member

      Coach Kent had a list like this when I was swimming for recruiting purposes. It’s definitely a good idea. Here are my times:

      200 IM 1:56.37 -> 1:54.49
      500 Free 4:46.38 -> 4:43.01
      200 Free 1:50 -> 1:42.65
      100 Fly 56 -> 52.04

      The problem with this for me is that I didn’t really swim club meets during HS, so my only tapered times are from HS state meet. My 200 free and 100 Fly times from HS are untapered, so those look more impressive.

    • #37614
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      Kathy normally keeps a list like this around. Even people like Heintz could be mentioned, dropping from a 4:29.5 his freshman year to a 4:18 in the 400 im. Then you could also mention Greiner this year in the relays and individual 100 fly. Kevin and Jimbo have also dropped almost 2 seconds in their 100 fly. Waller could also be some one to talk about his 200. He went 142 i think on the relay his junior year, and i think he was over 146 coming in.

    • #37615
      silentp
      Member

      @Rudy Shingle wrote:

      Waller could also be some one to talk about his 200. He went 142 i think on the relay his junior year, and i think he was over 146 coming in.

      He did split 1:42, i can confirm that. He didn’t even swim the 200 in high school so i would imagine it was well over 146. When we recruited him he was a 21.6 50 guy who swam 3 relays at state meet and his 100 split was not faster than a 47.

    • #37616
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      When we recruited him he was a 21.6 50 guy who swam 3 relays at state meet and his 100 split was not faster than a 47.

      hmmmmmmm….reminds me of a certain recruit named Brian Bazzel

    • #37617
      silentp
      Member

      @KG from KZOO wrote:

      When we recruited him he was a 21.6 50 guy who swam 3 relays at state meet and his 100 split was not faster than a 47.

      hmmmmmmm….reminds me of a certain recruit named Brian Bazzel

      Not really, Buzzard’s 100 is quite a bit better at this point and his 50 is almost a half second slower than Waller’s was in high school. Waller is more similar to Harden, as far as times go.

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