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    • #12390

      we always seen horses at these meets: dark, lone, one trick (ponies, rather)
      even though most events this year seem to have a “lock winner”, many of them are tight (by times) and a lot of factors contribute to a final session. heres what i think:

      100 fly: Dillon, Middlebury. you cant find many times for him, he swam prep school. he looked strong to quite strong in those fly events at nescac’s, but his 200 doesnt seem as strong.
      2000 fly: Brown, Emory. he was seated second last year, and i guess he forgot where he was last time aorund. Hes back, maybe with some good experience.

    • #35869
      Me So Mankey
      Member

      2000 fly: Brown, Emory

      ouch! and yes Brown did choke last year at finals…

    • #35870

      i agree, brown has always performed well in the 2 early in season so he is seeded well going into the show. and you would think he would pick up some more speed throughout the rest of the season, it looked that way at nats last year cuz he was out with duda and looking strong and then…

      for his sake i hope he learns how to swim when it counts, and then we might get a nice race.

    • #35871
      Squirttle
      Member

      Not to discount his performance, but I had heard he was suffering with either the flu or sinus infection at the meet last year. Hoping he is healthier this time.

    • #35872

      @Squirttle wrote:

      Not to discount his performance, but I had heard he was suffering with either the flu or sinus infection at the meet last year. Hoping he is healthier this time.

      He had awesome performances the first two days in the 200 IM and 100 fly, then added three seconds (4?) in the 200 fly the last day… maybe the flu just hit him then or something…

    • #35873
      swim5599
      Member

      Brown had a huge 200 IM in december as well. I really look for him to be in the 1:51 high range in that race also.

    • #35874
      Low Tide
      Member

      He had awesome performances the first two days in the 200 IM and 100 fly, then added three seconds (4?) in the 200 fly the last day… maybe the flu just hit him then or something…

      I was sick my senior year at nationals… Friday was a killer for me. I swam alright in the medley, added a second or two in the fly and back (still making finals though) and then swam a blistering 1:49 in the 800 free relay. It definitely catches up to you 🙂 The next day I did not even make it back in the 200 fly.

    • #35875

      how about the mile? we all know eric dunn will dominate, but who will grab second? will borland beat newton for the KC 1-2? could lake and spinelli take over and embarrass borland and newton?

    • #35876
      Nescacfan
      Member

      My money is on Spinelli. He had a great NESCAC’s.

    • #35877
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I see Spinelli moving up and Wes Bubb as well. Lake will be factor

    • #35878
      Tobias
      Member

      Nelson Westby

    • #35879
      neswim
      Member

      @Tobias wrote:

      Nelson Westby

      My money is on Borland…great six beat kick for distance swimmer.

    • #35880

      I wouldn’t count on Harrison Brown to be outstanding in the 2 fly. With exception of Chris Hallstead, most Emory swimmers that enter the meet with high seeds seem to drop at least a couple spots and swim slower or only as fast as seeded. From what people are saying, he could have been sick last year but I was at the meet and it didn’t seem like many Emory guys exceeded expectations by too much. Howell could have his guys ready to break this trend but in the four years I was at nationals, the Emory guys seemed to enter the meet in position to compete with Kenyon, but fall short of expectations. It makes you angry after a while because I honestly don’t feel as though Emory doesn’t want it, but they are just not able to put it all together and Kenyon takes the victory. One has to hope that this year Denison can do what Emory has not been able to do. If each one of the Denison guys can put together their best college meet to date and really put out on the relays, they can win the meet. One almost has to assume that Kenyon’s guys will exceed their psyche sheet times but if Denison can do the same, and I mean ALL of Denison, then they can pull out a W. Unfortunately for Denison and Emory, the odds are in Kenyon’s favor that if any one of those three teams is going to step up and surpass what they are expected to do it will be Kenyon. I’ll be honest, although Kenyon’s team lacks the big names of previous years, if I were going to bet on a winner, it would have to be Kenyon, despite Denison’s strong, but small(er) team this year. We will see, that added diver could help them out….

    • #35881
      Greenbacks
      Member

      Are Justin Hake and Tim Newton not considered high seeds that lived up to their expectations? Kenyon has won the meet by a large margin for many years now. A margin that last year was over a hundred points. Just as you said, Kenyon always exceeds their psyche sheet times. But Denison and Emory are both extremely accomplished teams that are more than capable of exceeding their psyche sheet times. The way you cut both of these lineups down like that is somewhat short sighted. Denison has the studs, Emory has the depth, and Kenyon has a strong crew with the tradition. Needless to say the meet is going to be tremendously entertaining.

    • #35882

      Wow– EWCT–you’ve surpassed even your usual level of vehemence towards all but yourself. I’d go as far as too say that Emory may the favorite to win. There is no way their relays will finish anywhere near where they are seeded. Their point total will definately rise more than anywone else even if their individuals don’t improve (and they will, very few of their big individual scorers were rested for conference) Denison has a much tougher road to an improved team score, seeded as high as they are. I have no doubt that Coach Parini will have that team tremendously well prepared (he always does), but there is not that much room for improvement as far as the team score goes. But it’s all moot—No doubt of a Kenyon victory, the fight is for second.

    • #35883
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @green monster wrote:

      but there is not that much room for improvement as far as the team score goes.

      That is a popular sentiment, and I thought it was true at first too. But it really isn’t. I will be surprised if Denison does not score more than 370 (I think they are seated to scored 350).

    • #35884
      99 Red
      Member

      Well, their seeded score is 350 plus what ever they get out of the diver. If the diver is finishing right around the middle of the pack, that will put them right around 370. I think they can get to 400+, but I’m always a fan of the Big Red.

    • #35885
      DonCheadle
      Member

      I really don’t know:

      Is it seeded or seated?

      Anyhow, with the diver, I agree they will be right around 400

      (What is their team record?)

    • #35886
      Chris Knight
      Member

      Seeded.

    • #35887
      99 Red
      Member

      The best score I could find was 393 1/2 pts in 98. Can anybody find a better second place score than Emory’s 04 446?

    • #35888

      1981: Kenyon 319, JHU 272
      1989: Kenyon 630, UCSD 486
      1990: Kenyon 653, UCSD 535
      1993: Kenyon 552, UCSD 442.5

      The 1981 meet was held at Oberlin and was a 12-place/6-lane meet. There were also no 200 relays, so the scores were much lower. The 200’s were added in the late 80’s, when the winning team scores were higher. I don’t know when the 6 lane rule ended, but there was even a nationals held at Emory when the meet was still a 6 lane meet.

    • #35889
      silentp
      Member

      @PioneerSwimming wrote:

      1989: Kenyon 630, UCSD 486
      1990: Kenyon 653, UCSD 535
      1993: Kenyon 552, UCSD 442.5

      Does this mean the closest ever meet (since very early in the streak) was 109.5 points? If so, and that is the line, i think most people would take the Under. Am i right?

      What if the line was put at 50 pts? That might be interesting.

      How about 75 pts? I’d take the over on 50 pts, but 75 pts would be tough because I think it will be right around there.

      This could be the closest year but I don’t see anyone other than Kenyon scoring even 440, maybe 400 at best.

    • #35890
      swim5599
      Member

      I am a few days late with this comment, but the last time I checked halstead won 2 national championships in a row in the 200 back. WHen your winning races where else are you supposed to go.

      This is going to be one helluva meet. I wish I could be there

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