Hope 2007-08

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    • #12666
      quacker
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      Hope posted its roster a little while ago:

      http://www.hope.edu/pr/athletics/msw/mswrost.html

      Kind of surprising that there is only one person in the freshman class, but that sophomore class has to be one of the Hope’s deepest in a long time. Also, it’s really nice to see Holtman out there with another year of eligibility.

    • #38827
      silentp
      Member

      At least he’s a freestyler, which is exactly what Hope needs…

      But that’s too bad for size, K also has their roster posted and the class is very small (4). To my knowledge, Olivet has just 5. Maybe Calvin will up the ante with a decent sized class.

    • #38828
      DonCheadle
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      This class will have devastating effects on Hope long-term.

    • #38829
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Oh and does anyone know if he is related to Brandon (nyboer)

    • #38830
      maverick1
      Member

      wow, i wonder if this has anything to do with taber’s move over to olivet last spring…..that guy could recruit

      a one man class does hurt…..a lot

    • #38831
      Chris Sabo
      Member

      @DonCheadle wrote:

      This class will have devastating effects on Hope long-term.

      I don’t think it is accurate to say that the small class will have devastating effects. The incoming class of 2002 was supposed to have four or five great swimmers. None of them lasted all four years and were eventually replaced by myself and Jeff Vroegendewey. This isn’t to say that not having a lot of great swimmers means that they will succeed but simply that the volume of a class never garuntees anything: it all depends on the content of the class. Certainly Hope would like to have a greater amount of swimmers to choose from (and apparently whittle down throughout the next few years) but Nick Stone seems to be really dedicated to the program. His impact could likely exeed the collective impacts of my incoming class, some of whom I never even met.

      The biggest detriment is the departure of Tabor. I know that he is single handedly responsible for a few amazing recruits throughout the years. With Patnott’s lackadaisical efforts towards recruiting how are we going to maintain the talent flux that we had in the last few classes? And the effect is double considering that Tabor is now recruiting for the communists within our “calling radius.”

    • #38832
      Chris Sabo
      Member

      yea… Mav said it first. didn’t mean to plagiarize.

    • #38833
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Chris Sabo wrote:

      I don’t think it is accurate to say that the small class will have devastating effects. The incoming class of 2002 was supposed to have four or five great swimmers. None of them lasted all four years and were eventually replaced by myself and Jeff Vroegendewey.

      The problem is, there is noone to replace Nyboer if he doesn’t work out. Seriously, getting 1 freshmen is really really bad.

      I will say that Hope has managed to score a few good transfers in the past, so perhaps that will continue?

    • #38834
      stewie
      Member

      Just thought I’d reiterate Jeff Holtman is swimming this yr. He had to sit out his sophomore year due to a head injury. This is huge for Hope considering he swims mile, 2 br, and 4 IM. He will score in all three events.

    • #38835
      Stevo
      Member

      The class of one only hurts if the next class is also small. Since Hope had such a deep class last year, one class won’t hurt unless the following class is small as well.

      It’s possible that Hope could have some years like Kzoo….having a hard time fielding a league team, and getting third at league meet.

    • #38836
      Derek
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      It’s possible that Hope could have some years like Kzoo….having a hard time fielding a league team, and getting third at league meet.

      Admission of fallibility or a dig at K?

      Either way, I agree. What we are seeing at K right now is the result of no systematic recruiting for a few years and I believe we are seeing the same at Hope now that Taber is gone. Will another assistant (Hamstra, right?) come in and replicate his success? (And possibly his methods?) Will the team (captains) step it up? Will Patnott pay more attention to recruiting? Will Hope just wait for some luck?

      Props to Taber. I look forward to seeing what he does at Olivet.

    • #38837
      Sgt. Johnson
      Member

      Getting only one freshman would be pretty horrible. Luckily, Hope actually got two (Clayton Sommers and Caleb Nyboer), but for some reason, Sommers is not listed on the roster.

      Still pretty bad, but better than one.

    • #38838
      quacker
      Member

      The last time Hope didn’t get 1st or 2nd at the MIAA meet was 1985. That’s a long time to be at the top end of the league. I hope they can stay there, but it’s obviously getting more competitive.

      As for this season’s small freshman class being a reflection of Taber’s departure, I’m not sure that’s such a fair assessment. Taber was at Hope until early April, so he more than likely fulfilled his commitment to the school and team until he left for the OC. It’s not like he just stopped recruiting for JP. In past conversations with other guys last year it just seemed like it was a dry year for swimmers looking at Hope.

      Lastly, the transfers in the past 4-5 years at Hope have been pretty substantial, more so than any other MIAA team: Blohm, Vroegindewey (kind of), Kurti, now Stone. Here’s to hoping the trend continues.

    • #38839
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @quacker wrote:

      Lastly, the transfers in the past 4-5 years at Hope have been pretty substantial, more so than any other MIAA team: Blohm, Vroegindewey (kind of), Kurti, now Stone. Here’s to hoping the trend continues.

      Arent Vogelzang and VanderBroek transfers, too?

    • #38840
      Sgt. Johnson
      Member

      Vogelzang is not a transfer, but you are right about Vanderbroek….he transferred from Emory.

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