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    • #12659
      stewie
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      How does everyone feel about the Aquatic Center for MIAAs? Hasn’t been there since 2005 and the league was considerably different than. I don’t remember any stand out swims besides Blohm and PBG. Pfau won the 2 back so I’ll get that out of the way. Obviously the setup is different than Jenison going from wall to bulkhead and the water isn’t as deep. Also, the walls and blocks are pretty slippery.

    • #38731
      Stevo
      Member

      If the blocks are dry and your feet are dry the blocks are fine. A lot of great races in that pool, good luck with setting pool records after the NCAA meet in 05. Great place to swim!

    • #38732
      silentp
      Member

      I’m not a huge fan of the pool personally, but it’s all because of the bulkhead end with the floor coming up. EGR was a fun pool to swim in, but did not work for fan seating at all. Jenison is probably the best choice, but I haven’t swam tapered there so i can’t really say. I would say the bulkhead at Jenison is a bit shakey, but that would be my only complaint.

    • #38733
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      If the blocks are dry and your feet are dry the blocks are fine. A lot of great races in that pool, good luck with setting pool records after the NCAA meet in 05. Great place to swim!

      Stevo, you had the fastest swim in the 200 Free Relay (pretty cool btw). The pool is not fast. You don’t believe that, and that is a large part as to why you out performed everybody.

    • #38734
      Stevo
      Member

      Cheadle…thanks. It was my last meet, at my home pool, in my favorite event, so my adrenaline was pretty high. I will agree that it’s not a fast pool, but i always seemed to swim fast there. It’s not Minnesota or IUPUI, but a great place for a MIAA meet. I have never swam at Jenison, and EGR was nice for the swimmers, not the spectators as Silentp said.

    • #38735
      silentp
      Member

      How long until Calvin’s facility can host MIAAs? I don’t think I’d be in favor of them hosting every year, but perhaps setting up a semi-rotation.

      What is the 100 breastroke record for the Holland pool? That’s the only record I could see even being touched if MIAAs were back there.

    • #38736
      facenorth
      Member

      55.62 – Davis Zarins

    • #38737
      Milhouse
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      What is the 100 breastroke record for the Holland pool? That’s the only record I could see even being touched if MIAAs were back there.

      Don’t know what the record is, but I’m almost certain Boss has it. Untouchable after all?

      EDIT: Cleveland Indian beat me, and knows better ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #38738
      silentp
      Member

      @facenorth wrote:

      55.62 – Davis Zarins

      This is possible, not probable, but possible. The rest of the records are not. The 200 back is a 1:48.98, which is probably the 2nd most “touchable”.

      I thought the 100breast’s might have been Boss’s, as Milhouse also thought, and therefore, untouchable.

    • #38739
      facenorth
      Member

      It likely is Boss’ record. 55.62 is just what won Nats the year Hope hosted the meet.

    • #38740
      swimkid4221
      Member

      Let’s just stop making excuses right now. How well the swimmers perform doesn’t come down to how fast the pool is, but how well they taper and perform.

    • #38741
      TheDon
      Member

      This is from the MIAA website as far as what Boss won the 100 breast with in the MIAA.

      1999 Joshua Boss, Hope, :55.12
      2000 Joshua Boss, Hope, :55.66 (:55.01 in prelims)
      2001 Joshua Boss, Hope, :55.91
      2002 Joshua Boss, Hope, :55.74

      So only the 1999 and 2000 (prelim) efforts would eclipse the 55.62 swum at the Hope-hosted DIII’s. I believe 2000 MIAA was held at Notre Dame and 1999 MIAA was at the old Hope pool. 2001 was the first year it was held at the Holland Community Center.

    • #38742
      Kari Byron
      Member

      Just going off of what was said about the Holland facility during NCAAs a few years back, it doesn’t sound like an outstanding facility.

      Knowing next to nothing about the MIAA and being WAY outside my knowledge base here, I would say that for a Conference meet it could probably suffice, but that they can probably find better and it shouldn’t be their first choice.

    • #38743
      SwexasTim
      Member

      not ever swimming at jenison I can’t really comment on the pool itself, it looked good to me. I know I preferred the HAC to EGR, but that could be b/c I was swimming there in High School as well.

      I think the best pool in the area for a conference meet would be Grand Haven, unfortunately its not close to any of the colleges. I think ND might be a good one as well, I only swam there once but I liked it.

    • #38744
      breakdancer
      Member

      Has MIAA ever been hosted on the east side? What about pool like EMU and Oakland. Both are fast pools, and it would be a change for the League. Or what about Norte Dame, arent St. Mary’s meet hosted there? From what I’ve heard it makes a great venue from meets like MIAA.

    • #38745
      DonCheadle
      Member

      I personally loved having MIAA’s on campus, even though it was Hope’s campus. I also loved the consistency of having it the same place every year. When Calvin’s pool is complete I am for having it there all the time. What do others think (PS: there is no such thing as homepool advantage)?

    • #38746
      Stevo
      Member

      Cheadle i disagree there is such a thing as home pool advantage. If you train every day in a pool you know the walls, the lighting, the blocks, and the temperatures. I think those factors can be overcome but you definitely have an advantage if you train in the same pool as MIAA (or any big meet).

      How come every swim meet at Calvins current pool they always swim better and the meet is closer than it should? That pool sucked and all opposing teams had terrible times, but Calvin always seemed to swim descent at their home meets.

      Just my .02

    • #38747
      ajp
      Member

      sorry stevo. But calvin doesn’t have a current pool anymore.

      But I totally there can be a home pool advantage.

    • #38748
      DonCheadle
      Member

      WHoops, what I meant to say is that when the pool is good there is no such thing as home pool advantage. If lighting is bad or walls are slippery or whatever then familiarity helps.

    • #38749
      silentp
      Member

      I might be the only person, but I would rather not swim a taper/big meet in a home pool. I prefered the traveling and being out of my typical element. Swimming in a regular pool it was harder to get “jacked up”. That might just be me though.

      It’s too bad a top pool in Michigan won’t do what the U of Minnesota does and allow all big meets for the state to be hosted there. I don’t mean EMU either, as mentioned previously, because I think that’s a horrible pool to have a championship meet. Oakland or Michigan would be much better. Notre Dame, from what I recall, was nice but Coach Kent told us they charged way too much.

    • #38750
      stewie
      Member

      Anyone know if they will pad both walls. I think they did in 2005. The wall opposite of the blocks tends to be slippery. Also, Quacker will you be around to put together walk-out music? Job well done in 2005.

      Also, are we saying Hope has a home pool adv? Or are we stating home pool adv does not exist for this situation? If anything you might say Olivet has the adv. That was their breakthrough yr in 2005 at the HAC, when they took 2nd in the conference. Hope did not particularily swim well there and those who did are graduated. Obviously, winning back to back at Jenison adds to confidence but those seniors will remember their swims at the HAC. Notably, Meisner beat Kurtz in the 2 br I think and almost touched him out in the 1 br.

      And silentp for once I agree with you, I also think staying in a hotel or away from home makes the meet and situation seem that much more important. It’s something away from your normal routine and can tend to get people more pumped.

    • #38751
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @silentp wrote:

      I might be the only person, but I would rather not swim a taper/big meet in a home pool.

      Me too

    • #38752
      stiles
      Member

      In regards to home pool, there is an advantage. For example, if K has to swim with a minimal warmdown every meet, they are much more used to it. The warm down at K consists of a 25 and a shower. That’s not a knock but when I swam there I HATED that because I felt like lactic acid was locked in my body. Calvin had the wading pool that somehow was approved for competition. That slipped through regulations somewhere.

      On a different topic, in 2005 at MIAA @ HAC, they did use pads on both sides of the pool. When it came time to host Nationals, they took them out because the folks that were running the meet measured the pool and said that it was exactly 25 yards. To see how this effected times, note Heydlauff’s 21.11 at MIAA meet and then a 21.12 at nationals…he swam the same race, just without a pad making the race just a bit longer.

      My guess: they will use pads. Its nice to have those in there.

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