Guys/Girls

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    • #12895
      KG from KZOO
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      Before this thread goes down…. We were bored tonight and decided to calculate where the guys and girls teams stand at Michigan high school state meet (based on our EMU results)

      Guys:

      17/20 qualified

      1st place, 69 pts ahead of Brother Rice

      Girls…

      5/24 qualified

      14th place, scoring 57 points

    • #42128
      TheDon
      Member

      And in 2006 you guys finished 4th in the MIAA just one point ahead of Albion! As a team, you are not that far removed from sucking yourself. Maybe instead of saying the girls team sucks you should ask yourself what you can do to help make them better. All of you swam with plenty of female talent in high school and age group swimming. What are you doing to help recruit some of them to come to K? It only takes a few every year to make a difference. A little change in attutude will go a long way.

    • #42129
      maverick1
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      this is kind of funny because at least during the years of 2003-2005 the women’s team issue wasn’t getting recruits to campus, kathy having good relationships with them or the mens team driving them away…..more or less it always came down to the fact that the women’s team was not interested and thus not involved in recruiting at all

      i know one thing, i threw out my back helping a female recruit get to the f***ing hospital, so i did my part πŸ™‚

    • #42130
      KG from KZOO
      Member

      @TheDon wrote:

      And in 2006 you guys finished 4th in the MIAA just one point ahead of Albion! As a team, you are not that far removed from sucking yourself. Maybe instead of saying the girls team sucks you should ask yourself what you can do to help make them better. All of you swam with plenty of female talent in high school and age group swimming. What are you doing to help recruit some of them to come to K? It only takes a few every year to make a difference. A little change in attutude will go a long way.

      Yeah, I agree with you and saying they suck was a bit much, I appologize. I think the important aspect that needs to be addressed is the overall approach/attitude of the teams. I take pride in the fact that we were awful my freshmen year and are now in competition for an MIAA championship within two years. That is a huge step and the biggest difference has been our commitment to achieving this success. I only see that drive in a few girls (Stefl and Knuckles in particular). The rest of them seem follow the motto of “have fun,” which bothers me quite a bit. They, the ones that have the necessary motivation, also seem to be looked down upon for being too serious… This issue doesn’t appear to be a problem with our attitude, as much as it does with theirs.

      As for recruiting, I for one tried getting two girls from my HS/club to come here last year. Unfortunately, we lost them to Denison, but that wasn’t because of a lack of effort on my part. It’s just another example of Denison being Denison.

    • #42131
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      This has been part of the problem for the the women’s team for awhile. When Carlos would have us come into the offices to do recruit calles, their would only be a few females there to make calls, at the time shannon was the only one consistantly there. I would say for the prior four years the guys team has tried to help the girls team bring in recruits. When there was a recruit around male or female I would go out of my way most of the time to meet the recruit, and introduce myself. The interest level in recruiting from the girls team is what hurts. I wouldn’t know from this year, but in past years I would talk to kathy and steve/carlos to see who they have on there list. I know that some of the others guys did too.

    • #42132
      TheDon
      Member

      Didn’t say it would be easy. “Have fun” drives me crazy too.

      KG, keep up the good work! Like I said, it only takes a few. Having a a national qualifying relay is a first big step. Once you have it they will come. Top of the list is obviously a breaststroker!

    • #42133
      maverick1
      Member

      @TheDon wrote:

      Top of the list is obviously a breaststroker!

      coudn’t be more correct

    • #42134
      Low Tide
      Member

      1991 — This is the only year the womens’ team took first place at league meet and the men did not.

      It was also during this period the male/female team relations were at its worst.

      One of the worst things about dating a swimmer was feeling obligated to defend them… that sucked πŸ™‚

      I think to put up with the drudgery of practices a healthy amount of hate is needed to fuel you. Whether it is simply hating Hope for their wooden shoes, hating the divers for stretching while you are working your ass off or hating the womens’ team for not living and breathing swimming like we did — it’s all good. Better that than hating the teamate behind you coasting off your wake… which has caused a number of flare-ups over the years.

      Very few of us really hated the guys on Hope’s team (well, not all of them), the divers or the womens’ team and I have a feeling just about every guy is willing to help the womens’ team when it comes down to it.

      The fact is, having a good mens’ *and* womens’ team will help recruiting all around. So by all means, help where you can, even if that just means being excited about recruiting and maybe it will spread to the womens’ team. But in theory, hate away πŸ™‚

    • #42135
      silentp
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      The fact is, having a good mens’ *and* womens’ team will help recruiting all around. So by all means, help where you can, even if that just means being excited about recruiting and maybe it will spread to the womens’ team. But in theory, hate away πŸ™‚

      A quick look at last year’s top 5 for the men at NCAA (a goal for the K men for next year I would think) shows that only 1 team didn’t have a women’s team in the top 10. That team still sent a women’s relay (mostly because the anchor of that relay had an awesome split and is a good all-around swimmer).

      Also, with a female AD, improving the women’s team would help the swim team as a whole get more support… and if those women who swim fast happen to also be good looking, so be it. Try Brazil for recruiting, fast swimmers and, well ya know.

    • #42136

      @Low Tide wrote:

      I think to put up with the drudgery of practices a healthy amount of hate is needed to fuel you.

      Couldn’t be more true. My pompous attitude towards the girls team and my inner-hatred towards them are usually some of the few things that keeps me going in practice. Hope is a bit distant, but the women are always right there. As long as I don’t outwardly express that hatred towards any of them, i dont really see any problem with it.

      Pfau i like the point about how the success of the women’s team does influence the men’s team. Personally, when i came up on recruit visits, it turned me off a little bit to see that there were dick-slow girls on the team that go 29 in the 50 free. I mean, it doesn’t really feel like college swimming when you’re sharing a pool with several girls who cannot make 11-12 USS state cuts. I would much rather swim with a team of girls i respect (aka stefl).

      Another plus side of getting fast girls is that they are less likely to be fat, and for some reason our team seems to have a serious problem with fat chicks. (sorry if that is too insensitive, but seriously)

    • #42137

      im with pfau on getting some brazilian broads to come here

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