GCC vs. CMU

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    • #12777

      Predictions? who will stand out at this meet on Saturday?

    • #40211
      WCSwmFan
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      Its hard to judge anything about either of these teams right now, on paper CMU has more front end speed, but we all know what the GCC guys are capable of, if GCC times are similar to the Clarion invite CMU dominates, but I expect GCC to be faster, but will they be fast enough, hard to tell, can’t wait to see what happens

    • #40212

      Will GCC ever be able to elevate their program to be competitive as a team, not just a few individuals?

    • #40213
      bizerkel
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      For the women, I hate to say it, but not without new leadership.

    • #40214

      @bizerkel wrote:

      For the women, I hate to say it, but not without new leadership.

      I think that’s who she was talking about, but ouch!

      As for CMU, we’ll see what Coach Kinney can bring as a replacement for Dr. Belowich. His resume isn’t too shabby coming in, but they’re big shoes to fill. Their times against Clarion were reasonable enough, although the relays were flagging a bit. Depending on how they swim, Grove City should keep it from going to exhibition; or, if it does, it shouldn’t happen till very late in the meet. Don’t know how close the score will end up though.

      That’s the men. For the women, same basic story. Grove City will win a couple of events. Tartans won’t be in any danger of losing the meet, but I don’t see this as an unmitigated trouncing.

    • #40215

      I don’t believe that the GCC men have overtaken CMU since the end of the Longnecker era. It won’t happen this year either, especially with all the attrition Grove City has had with its roster since last year. CMU appears to be too deep.

      However, Tim should have no problem winning the 50, and could even take the 100. I look for Peter to be very competitive in the 100 Fly, and could even get the victory. The men should pick up both diving events, and if they swim it – the 200 FR.

      Looking back over old meet results against CMU, like when our esteemed moderator was swimming (2000-2003), there were times when Grove City didn’t even win a men’s event, outside of diving. And sometimes not even diving. So the team is far stronger now, even without Caleb swimming, than in the recent past.

    • #40216

      Looking back over old meet results against CMU, like when our esteemed moderator was swimming (2000-2003), there were times when Grove City didn’t even win a men’s event, outside of diving.

      OUCH! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #40217

      @weedwacker2000 wrote:

      Looking back over old meet results against CMU, like when our esteemed moderator was swimming (2000-2003), there were times when Grove City didn’t even win a men’s event, outside of diving. And sometimes not even diving. So the team is far stronger now, even without Caleb swimming, than in the recent past.

      Thank you very much for that pleasant memory. ๐Ÿ˜†

      As I recall, in most events, if we weren’t getting swept, we were doing pretty well, never mind trying to actually win anything (I exaggerate, but not as much as I wish I were). Incidentally, my first couple of years, our meets against Westminster went in pretty much the same vein. And I think Klamut has a team that’s almost as good now (or at least did last season) as the one he had c. 2001.

      Fortunately, things change.

    • #40218
      WCSwmFan
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      Who deleted my post? I posted in here the other day in repsonse to grove city ever becoming a team threat and its not here, this is crap, complete crap

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      @WCSwmFan wrote:

      Who deleted my post? I posted in here the other day in repsonse to grove city ever becoming a team threat and its not here, this is crap, complete crap

      I don’t know, but it wasn’t me. The only posts I’ve deleted were margrit’s comments about the computer snafu on the Chatham relays, and that was at her request (she accidentally posted them here instead of in the other thread where they belonged).

      Whatever you wrote before, I’d say post it again. I’d like to read it.

    • #40220

      Most impressive: 2 near-A-cuts. Molly Evans (58.58 100 back) and Tim Whitbeck (20.79 50 free). Neither very surprising, but both very good swims. I’m pretty sure they’ve both got their rides to Oxford paid for.

      @weedwacker2000 wrote:

      Tim should have no problem winning the 50, and could even take the 100. I look for Peter to be very competitive in the 100 Fly, and could even get the victory. The men should pick up both diving events, and if they swim it – the 200 FR.

      100% accuracy! Funny how none of those races even ended up being close. The massive win in the fly was a very pleasant surprise.

      Also worth noting: the 100 free was a sweep by Grove City, and they won the IM (which has been a dual-meet weakness for them for some years) with a 1-2. CMU obviously countered amply (sweep in the 1000, 1-2 in the 1breast, the 500, and both backs) and won the meet comfortably, but in light of weedwacker’s “pleasant reminder” from earlier in the week, I think it’s well worth pointing out. It also means, for the moment, that the CMU men are not what they once were.

      As for the women’s side, I will leave it to BreakingTheSurface to comment more extensively (noting only, and again, my congratulations on the 58-mid).

    • #40221

      Well, I don’t always get 100% accuracy, that’s for sure!! Still I like to commend both teams on a good meet. Some notable freshmen swims for GCC would include Sarah Bargery’s 200 BR (which puts her at 3rd for all time historical best for that event) and Cam Coppelli’s 200 BK (tenth in all time GCC history). The women desperately needed a strong breaststroker, and the men the same for backstroke.

      OutsideSmoker pointed out that the CMU men are not what they once were. That’s true in the sense they don’t have the studs (eg. Pearson, McCarthy, Jucha and Krzeminski) they used to, but they do still have many strong and capable swimmers. Nevertheless I would like to counter that the GCC men are far stronger than they once were. Much of that credit goes to Coach Fritz, who has made significant improvements in training and preparation of his team over the past 4-5 years.

      The following shows a comparison of 2007 and 2003. Same meet, same pool, and same coach, but with four years more experience at the college level. I have used 10 events which were common to both meets. Each column has the top 2 times for the GCC men.

      Event……………2007…………………….2003

      1000 Free….10:32.43/10:49.00…….11:01.19/11:09.42

      200 Free……1:48.76/1:50.76………..1:50.07/1:53.45

      50 Free………20.79/22.74……………..23.44/24.09

      200 IM………2:01.37/2:03.89………..2:12.90/2:15.93

      200 Fly………2:03.76/2:07.71………..2:15.97/2:16.22

      100 Free……..48.24/48.25……………..50.13/51.65

      200 Bk……….2:00.09/2:06.39………..2:08.25/2:08.57

      500 Free…….5:02.46/5:03.24………..5:06.15/5:10.75

      200 Br……….2:16.55/2:23.21…………2:27.08/2:31.79

      400 Fr. Rel….3:17.45/3:28.39…………3:28.49/3:46.86

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