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    • #12772

      http://www.msumavericks.com/stats/470b2d687e4276f770ceffcc66bd91df.htm

      Will do some time analysis and comparison later…

    • #40162
      silentp
      Member

      Looking at the results, they didn’t really try to win this, or care if they won, i should say. Skylar Davis swam the 2IM, but not the 1000 or 500, that’s proof enough.

    • #40163

      @silentp wrote:

      Looking at the results, they didn’t really try to win this, or care if they won, i should say. Skylar Davis swam the 2IM, but not the 1000 or 500, that’s proof enough.

      That was my impression too. I’m just going to use some of the times to hopefully put together a better analysis for the Olaf dual in a week.

      Oh, and here are the most recent Ole results:

      http://www.stolaf.edu/athletics/swimming/men/media/0708/results/110307.htm

    • #40164

      Wi-Dave looks to be the real deal.

      Skyy-Dave is a 400IM guy, right? So the 200IM is not out of the question.

      If GAC stacked events better, could they have won?

      This meet shows just how much you lose when you don’t have 2 guys who are automatic (or near automatic) winners in 3 events.

    • #40165

      I like Wii-Dave better.

      GAC’s relays are what took the big hit. They will no longer be a top 10 team at nationals.

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      Wi-Dave looks to be the real deal.

      Skyy-Dave is a 400IM guy, right? So the 200IM is not out of the question.

      If GAC stacked events better, could they have won?

      This meet shows just how much you lose when you don’t have 2 guys who are automatic (or near automatic) winners in 3 events.

    • #40166

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      If GAC stacked events better, could they have won?

      Most definitely. As silentp pointed out, they did not load events where they are deep like the 500 and 100. My guess is that this meet was geared more towards putting first-years in events to figure out what they can do, and then filling in the rest of the team to make a lineup.

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      This meet shows just how much you lose when you don’t have 2 guys who are automatic (or near automatic) winners in 3 events.

      Who are you referring to?

    • #40167

      @Mac of the MIAC wrote:

      I like Wii-Dave better.

      You like him over Sky-Dave as a person/athlete, or you like his nickname having two i’s instead of one?

      @Mac of the MIAC wrote:

      GAC’s relays are what took the big hit. They will no longer be a top 10 team at nationals.

      I agree that their relays took one in the gut from graduation this year, but that doesn’t mean that people won’t step up. I don’t think a top 10 finish is out of the question, but they won’t be 5th again. I’m making a very, very early season call of 8th.

    • #40168

      Wow. Whitaker can sprint. He will score more points than Skylar at conference with these numbers.

      Davis, Whitaker FR 22.50
      Davis, Whitaker FR GUSTIES 1:47.96

      Plus he is only 6 seconds off his best time in the 500.
      1 Davis, Whitaker FR GUSTIES 4:48.36

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      Wi-Dave looks to be the real deal.

      Skyy-Dave is a 400IM guy, right? So the 200IM is not out of the question.

      If GAC stacked events better, could they have won?

      This meet shows just how much you lose when you don’t have 2 guys who are automatic (or near automatic) winners in 3 events.

    • #40169
      silentp
      Member

      Niether GAC or Olaf put guys in their main events, mostly because they probably didn’t want to tip their hand too much before the big dual. Should be exciting.

      As for the Whitaker’s nickname, my vote is for Why-Dave?

    • #40170

      Wii-Dave gives the phonetic WE sound. (Did I say that right?). So I stuck with the single “i.”

      I’m referring to Haggemeyer and Amundson when I talk about the key guys lost. Are you one of those two RG?

      I think this meet showed a glaring drop in the sprints for GAC. They’ve been the dominant sprint team in the conference since Underhill, Zelen, Stevens, Bastien, and Schmidts parted ways at SJU. Now they are looking at a team with no go-to guy there. Aeyung or Wakefield could step up, but neither are there yet.

      This makes the use of Stewart in the dual meet (and eventually at conference) all the more important.

      Will we be debating in 4 months whether Stewart should swim the 100 Free rather than the 200 Fly at conference?

      Probably getting ahead of myself there, but I am sure this will be discussed. Especially if Stewart swims it this Friday and beats Koch.

    • #40171

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      Are you one of those two RG?

      I wish. When I swam you didn’t have to break 22 by much to get noticed.

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      I think this meet showed a glaring drop in the sprints for GAC. They’ve been the dominant sprint team in the conference since Underhill, Zelen, Stevens, Bastien, and Schmidts parted ways at SJU. Now they are looking at a team with no go-to guy there. Aeyung or Wakefield could step up, but neither are there yet.

      I agree. Beginning this season the GAC squad will largely be based in the distance and fly events, as opposed to sprint in fly in the prior years. As has been mentioned numerous times already, graduation has left gaping holes in the relays. Especially the 2 & 4 FR. As you said, Chapel, Auyeung and Wakefield are next in line to take the spots but they aren’t there yet.

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      This makes the use of Stewart in the dual meet (and eventually at conference) all the more important. Will we be debating in 4 months whether Stewart should swim the 100 Free rather than the 200 Fly at conference?

      Given Stewart’s talent, one would have to think they’ll try him in the 100 against Olaf. Depening on his time, this could potentially carry over to Conference as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stewart in the 100 at Conference if Ziegler, Horn, Cuevas, Elenkiwich, and a FY can all lock down times that should get 4 of them in top 8 at Conference.

    • #40172

      @Rustie Gustie wrote:

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      @Chapel Partner wrote:

      This makes the use of Stewart in the dual meet (and eventually at conference) all the more important. Will we be debating in 4 months whether Stewart should swim the 100 Free rather than the 200 Fly at conference?

      Given Stewart’s talent, one would have to think they’ll try him in the 100 against Olaf. Depening on his time, this could potentially carry over to Conference as well. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stewart in the 100 at Conference if Ziegler, Horn, Cuevas, Elenkiwich, and a FY can all lock down times that should get 4 of them in top 8 at Conference.

      I could see Stewart doing the 100 free at conference then the 200 fly at nationals. Randy Boelk from UWSP did the 400 IM to help his team at conference then did his normal 200 IM, 100/200 back at nationals.

      The loss the Hagemeyer and Amundson in the 400 free relay is pretty big since they both split under 45, but Stewart lead off in 45 and Hanson Split a 45. They could both average 45.5. With 2- 47.0 and go 3:05.00 which is still pretty quick. And Wakefield, his Freshman year I believe split under 47. So I see GAC still being top 8 at nationals in that relay (I can see in the 3:04 low to mid range). I think it is the 200 free Relay and of course the Medlay’s that will be hurting GAC as it does not look like they have anyone right now to step up with a quick enough backstroke and it looks like they still have no breaststrokers.

    • #40173
      wonderboy33
      Member

      There are plenty of examples of guys who swam one event at conference and then swam a different one at Nationals. I swam the 100 back at conference my freshman year and swam the 100 fly at Nationals. When you have a versatile, well-rounded swimmer, you can put them where you need them. I could see Stewart swimming the 100 free at conference and then the 200 fly at Nationals as well.

    • #40174

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      There are plenty of examples of guys who swam one event at conference and then swam a different one at Nationals. I swam the 100 back at conference my freshman year and swam the 100 fly at Nationals. When you have a versatile, well-rounded swimmer, you can put them where you need them. I could see Stewart swimming the 100 free at conference and then the 200 fly at Nationals as well.

      You calling yourself well-rounded Wonderboy?

    • #40175
      the Todd
      Member

      are you guys aware that stewart has already swam one set of events at conference and a different set at nationals. the past two years he swam the 500, 100/200fly. at nationals he swam the 500, 200 free, and 200 fly. what difference would it make for stewart to swim the 100 free instead of the 200fly.

    • #40176

      @Its all an ACT wrote:

      I could see Stewart doing the 100 free at conference then the 200 fly at nationals. Randy Boelk from UWSP did the 400 IM to help his team at conference then did his normal 200 IM, 100/200 back at nationals.

      D3 is full of these examples. As has been said, when you have as versatile swimmer as Stewart you swim him wherever you need to so that you score points.

      @Its all an ACT wrote:

      The loss the Hagemeyer and Amundson in the 400 free relay is pretty big since they both split under 45 …

      That is definitely a hard deficit to overcome. Any team that can split under 1:30.00 for two legs is a force to be reckoned with. Although I don’t see either Wakefield or Auyeung stepping this far up, I do believe that they can step it up to a level to keep the Conference title.

      @Its all an ACT wrote:

      I think it is the 200 free Relay and of course the Medlay’s that will be hurting GAC as it does not look like they have anyone right now to step up with a quick enough backstroke and it looks like they still have no breaststrokers.

      Surprise, surpise here. GAC hasn’t had a decent breaststroker on the men’s side since Joe Majweski graduated. Hammer and Maynard were quality at times, but not as dependable as the Jewski. What about Ziegler or Pokorski filling in for Hagemeyer on the backstroke leg for the Medley’s? Ziegler has an amazing underwater kick, although his stroke is hopefully a work in progress. As for Amundson, I think by the end of the season a sprinter will step up. However, I don’t think GAC will by anywhere near their times from last season in any of the relays. I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t think that the incoming FYs can replace two sub 45s on the 400 FR and two sub 20s on the 100 FR. In addition, GAC has no duo capable of complementing the graduated pair on the Medley’s.

    • #40177

      GAC recruited a pretty good backstroker. Paul Kirihara went a 54.8 in HS.

    • #40178
      wonderboy33
      Member

      Don’t forget Craig Nordquist as well. As a High School Senior last year, he went 54.5 in the 100 back.

    • #40179
      wonderboy33
      Member

      Chapel, no, I certainly wasn’t well-rounded. My weakness was clearly the breastroke. In fact, I would have only been fast enough to be the top Breastroker for GAC.

    • #40180

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      Chapel, no, I certainly wasn’t well-rounded. My weakness was clearly the breastroke. In fact, I would have only been fast enough to be the top Breastroker for GAC.

      I hate you Wonderboy.

    • #40181

      @wonderboy33 wrote:

      In fact, I would have only been fast enough to be the top Breastroker for GAC.

      That’s not saying much… A 1:04 would get in you now. In past years breaking 1:01 would’ve done the trick. GAC has always needed breaststrokers, but now missing their backstroker and anchor not having a breaststroker is really hurting.

    • #40182
      wonderboy33
      Member

      Past years, current years, my comment holds true regardless.

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