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    • #11900
      silentp
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      According to this article on ESPN.com
      http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/columns/story?id=2541019&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

      The IOC is considering moving finals to the morning in Bejing, so that viewers can watch it in primetime and it be live. I like the “being love” idea but HATE the idea of finals in the morning. Swimmers typically do not produce the same times in the morning as they do at night. This is often because the morning isn’t as important for top level athletes, but i will bet there will be less world records if the finals take place in the morning.

    • #29632
      swim5599
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      I think Michael Phelps made the comment that if you can’t get up to race at anytime at this level then you probably don’t belong at the meet. These are world class athletes, I am sure they will have no trouble adjusting and setting world records in the morning.

    • #29633

      I read about this a little while ago, but, I can’t remember where exactly, I read some where else that it was unlikely. It was an opinon article, so it might not cary much weight.

    • #29634
      99 Red
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      I remember coach saying back in the day that the important thing was to be up for 6 hours before your race. As long as they take this into account I’m sure it will work out fine.

    • #29635
      silentp
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      @99 Red wrote:

      I remember coach saying back in the day that the important thing was to be up for 6 hours before your race. As long as they take this into account I’m sure it will work out fine.

      You Denison kids must all believe that, we had to get up really early to take that into account. It’s probably true though.

    • #29636

      Changing the schedule to suit us Americans is just STUPID. It’s incredibly selfish as well. In effect it would cause a swimmer to have to swim an event (barring the distance events) THREE DAYS IN A ROW (prelims one night, semis the next morning, finals the next morning). It’s bad enough having races over two days, but three is ridiculous.

      All this not to mention swimmers not being up for races in the morning. Obviously, it is a level playing field for everyone, but I don’t care what Phelps said about how world class athletes should be up for anything; the fact remains it is still not an ideal time to race. If athletes in fact would have to get up earlier for their bodies to be ready for their morning final swims, they would be getting less sleep over the eight days. That would effect someone like Phelps most, who will have finals every night.

      ‘Tis total tosh, I say!

    • #29637
      Chris Knight
      Member

      Some things are sacred. Saturdays are for college football, Sundays for the pros, the NCAA tournament final is on the last Monday in March or 1st in April, and in swimming, finals are AT NIGHT. I can’t believe that NBC is so dissapointed with their ratings that this move is “necessary.” I would assume that the people who casually tune in to the Olympics don’t really care that it’s live. Personally, during the Sydney and Athens games I avoided the internet at all costs in order to experience the races “live.” Are we so dependent on the computer in our society that NBC assumes that we already know the outcome of every Olympic event?

    • #29638
      swim5599
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      No I agree that they should be swum at night, my only point was these are great athletes and they can swim fast at anytime during the day.

    • #29639
      miller
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      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Changing the schedule to suit us Americans is just STUPID. It’s incredibly selfish as well. In effect it would cause a swimmer to have to swim an event (barring the distance events) THREE DAYS IN A ROW (prelims one night, semis the next morning, finals the next morning). It’s bad enough having races over two days, but three is ridiculous.

      Selfish means something done in self-interest.

      If the IOC (an international body) does this to suit Americansi it’s not selfish…it’s just stupid.

    • #29640
      The Treat
      Member

      @miller wrote:

      @My Spoon’s Too Big! wrote:

      Changing the schedule to suit us Americans is just STUPID. It’s incredibly selfish as well. In effect it would cause a swimmer to have to swim an event (barring the distance events) THREE DAYS IN A ROW (prelims one night, semis the next morning, finals the next morning). It’s bad enough having races over two days, but three is ridiculous.

      Selfish means something done in self-interest.

      If the IOC (an international body) does this to suit Americansi it’s not selfish…it’s just stupid.

      it could be considered selfish on the part of NBC (i think they’re hosting it). they might be putting a lot of pressure on the IOC to change it. just playing devils advocate.

    • #29641
      gomez2354
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      virgina highschool swimming runs prelims on friday night and finals saturday afternoon. I personally didn’t like it, but i saw some very elite swimmers drop 2 secconds from their best times in hs events in this meet year after year.

    • #29642
      The Treat
      Member

      @gomez2354 wrote:

      virgina highschool swimming runs prelims on friday night and finals saturday afternoon. I personally didn’t like it, but i saw some very elite swimmers drop 2 secconds from their best times in hs events in this meet year after year.

      illinois hs swimming does it as well.

    • #29643
      SeekUp
      Member

      so does indiana

    • #29644
      silentp
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      so does Michigan and North Dakota… i think every high school state meet in the country is run that way.

    • #29645
      gomez2354
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      did you guys like that format?

      As i said, i personally didn’t like it, but alot of the d1 bound swimmers did

    • #29646
      silentp
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      @gomez2354 wrote:

      did you guys like that format?

      As i said, i personally didn’t like it, but alot of the d1 bound swimmers did

      I loved it.

    • #29647
      Vic
      Member

      Michigan runs prelims at noon on Friday, not Friday night, and then finals at noon on Saturday. Basically the same thing.

      The one state that I know of that doesn’t do that is Tennessee, which has this schedule:

      Friday Morning: Prelims for 200 MR, 200 Fr, 200 IM, 50 FrR, 100 Fl
      Friday Night: Finals for 200 MR, 200 Fr, 200 IM, 50 Fr, 100 Fl

      Saturday Morning: Prelims for 100 Fr, 500 Fr, 200 FR, 100 Ba, 100 Br, 400 FR
      Saturday Night: Finals for 100 Fr, 500 Fr, 200 FR, 100 Ba, 100 Br, 400 FR

      I’m not sure where diving fits in.

      I think that you can swim fast in the morning, you just have to be prepared for it. If the meet starts at 10 am, I would think you should get up by 6am at the latest, maybe 5am, which means getting to bed early too. I would try and stick to that schedule for at least a week beforehand. But, that might be tough at the Olympics.

    • #29648
      99 Red
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      Ohio also does morning prelims, night finals over two days.

    • #29649
      Derek
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      At least one of California’s sections does the two day split as well (Sac-Joaquin.)

    • #29650

      @gomez2354 wrote:

      did you guys like that format?

      As i said, i personally didn’t like it, but alot of the d1 bound swimmers did

      I thought it was great. Wouldn’t work for a college championship though since there are so many more events

    • #29651
      Chris Knight
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    • #29652
      neswim
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      I like this change for several reasons. One, they given everyone enough advance notice. But less face it for vast majority of participants they need to go all out in prelims anyway. Point one is no real impact on the vast majority of participants. But what about the truly great ones, namely those who swim multiple events? Point two, for the truly great I think it benefits them to swim final in the morning given the prelim, semi-final and final format. That way, a Phelps, Hoff gets to swim 100% in the morning and then 90% later in the day for prelim or semi-final. Third, this change is great for US viewers. We get to see prime time swimming LIVE. Not, that we US swimming fans should be blamed by the rest of the world for the change. After all it was the IOC and NBC that made the decision not us.

      On an aside, I find the Aussie’s reaction to be way over the top. I can understand why they are upset that the best swimming action will happen in the morning versus the evening but really now, enough is enough. Its a real drawback for the Aussie fan (and European also) but let’s not carried away with “best interest of the sport, swimmers, etc.”.

      All in all sounds like a great decision to me. Perhaps we’ll have finals during lunch in 2016.

    • #29653
      silentp
      Member

      There are some great letters sent to swiminfo.com in response. I found this one interesting because of the sources:

      “I swam in the 1988 Olympics in Seoul and they did the same thing there – actually they did something worse. For the first 4 days they had prelims in the evening and then finals the next morning – after 4 days of that (or so) – they switched to the regular schedule because track and field had started. From personal experience, I can tell you this in NOT an issue at all. Nobody at the Olympics brought this up even once during the meet. Nobody lost a medal because the final was in the morning. Back then there was some initial talk (a little bit like right now – but less), but then people just went back to training. And let’s face it – the vast majority of swimmers have to go all out in prelims and finals to begin with – so it does not really matter when they compete. And the elite (like Phelps) may even be better off with the morning finals — I would rather do the 100% effort (final) first in the day and leave the 98% effort (prelims) for later in the day. Erik, Germany”

    • #29654
      Cali-man
      Member

      @Derek wrote:

      At least one of California’s sections does the two day split as well (Sac-Joaquin.)

      California’s Southern Section was set up as so:

      D1 – Prelims Wednsday morning, Finals Friday afternoon
      D2 – Prelims Friday morning, Finals Saturday afternoon
      D3- Prelims Thursday morning, Finals Friday Afternoon
      D4 – Prelims Tuesday morning, Finals Friday Afternoon

      California’s City Section (LAUSD schools only) swam like so:

      Prelims Wednsday afternoon, Finals a week later

      I’m not certian about the southern section, as I swam in the City Section, but I am almost sure that it was set up that way, with maybe a day or two either way.

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