fast relays affect top teams

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    • #12352
      N Dynamite
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      So, with the crazy fast relays, what does this do to the big teams? It looks like this year we’ll see Kenyon, Emory, Hopkins, among others having very few relays making the cut times. I know they have the guys they want for these already in the meet, so that’s not the issue – they’ll all be top finishers in the relays. But what about the guys they were trying to get into the meet as relay only swimmers? How will this affect their final rosters?

      Also, looking ahead, how do these times impact next year? I’m guessing the teams that use relays to get their last couple guys in will have to take less chances in the future. Could this mean more relays get in because there are less relay only guys from those teams? Will there be more or less relays in this year because of where those teams are landing?

      I can’t wait to see the entries come out next week. Things are going to be very exciting in Houston with the possibility of 12 or more relay teams all with legit shots at being in finals for the 200 MR. If people aren’t up for prelims they’ll be out. How does the 2 hour time difference impact UCSC? How does the 1 hour change impact the east coast schools?

    • #35388
      HOOSIER77
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      Could it be that those three schools aren’t worried about getting those “last few guys” in for relays only, as the relays are better without them?

    • #35389
      N Dynamite
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      Those schools aren’t worried about the relays being good enough, but getting the extra guys in to swim as individuals. I would think that this works to their advantage if they don’t get them in because then the relay only guys have to swim the relay in the morning, which could put them in consols at night.

    • #35390

      Schools like emory, kenyon, denison and jhu are looking to put their relays on top at nationals, but shouldn’t be too worried about placement now. i know that emory are using the 800free to bring in Dimarco (a possible scorer in the 2im– sitting high teens low 20s). Also, they are probably using the some of those relays to protect two sprinters (callam and inacker), just iincase they dont get in on their own. All their relay swimmers qualified in the 2im or the 5free.

    • #35391
      Squirttle
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      Relays could be more interesting entry this year. The NCAA selection committee sent out a memo that all schools have to enter their fastest relay times. This means that if there is a faster aggregate time possible, then teams have to enter those times and relay swimmers regardless of posted official times. I am not sure this has always been done in the past.

    • #35392

      It’s always been the rule, but I’m not sure everyone was aware…

    • #35393
      N Dynamite
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      plus I’m not sure how you would enforce it. Other than times that were submitted to the NCAA I don’t know how they would know if you were submitting the fastest aggregate.

    • #35394
      99 Red
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      That can’t be the rule. If you have a school like Carthage, with one (ok, really 2, but the point still stands) super stud free sprinter, all 5 relays are going to be faster with that person on the relay than without them. Can you do that? Because the superstar is going to make the movie on their own, they aren’t going to have to be on all 5 relays at the meet, but still, it doesn’t seem fair for a school to be able to use their fastest guys in 5 relays when they are only going to be able to swim 5 once they get there.

    • #35395
      N Dynamite
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      You can use the same guy 5 times to qualify – look at Grove City, they used Courage on all five (they did end up time trialing the 200 FR). I doubt he’ll swim all five relays out there, but he probably helped get a fifth person to the meet so they can replace him.

    • #35396

      They only use aggregate times if four swimmers have, in individual races that season, posted faster times than a swimmer (on the official relay time) who had a relay start. Three years ago, in the rule book, it used to say “a program MAY use an aggregate relay” if it was faster, but the next year the rule changed to read “a program MUST use an aggregate relay.” So if a team is trying to get someone slow in the meet by putting him on a relay with three other fast guys, but there is a fifth swimmer who is faster in that respective leg, he has to be the one considered on the relay.

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