Eastern Results?

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    • #12873
      DonCheadle
      Member

      Anyone have them?

    • #41695
      maverick1
      Member

      i got a text from silentp and one from rudy saying that the 200 medley went 1:32.96….i don’t have any splits except that greiner was apparently 22.3

      so yeah, i hope that’s right, because that’s a nice swim for this time of year

    • #41696
      maverick1
      Member
    • #41697
      silentp
      Member

      I got another text giving me the following times in addition to the 200 MR,

      Fly,
      Ellis 52.8
      Groth 52.6
      Entwistle 53.6
      Barrett 53.5
      Greiner 52.5
      Dekker 51.6

      200,
      Fleming 1:44.0
      Bazzel 1:45.6

      I know nothing else from EMU.

      Solid Day 2 for Hope, nice back for Ruch, nice fly for Nelis. Hopefully we’ll see faster times tonight from everyone.

    • #41698

      If they went 1:32 then they beat Michigan State’s A relay and would have placed 4th at the OSU invite. Nice work.

    • #41699

      Good lord they would be fast with a 20 point freestyler

    • #41700
      Rudy Shingle
      Member
    • #41701
      Barack
      Member

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      Good lord they would be fast with a 20 point freestyler

      Would be? Dude, I think they are fast. 1:32.9 is pretty quick in my book. Not getting the record this year would be a disappointment.

    • #41702
      El Duderino
      Member

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      Good lord they would be fast with a 20 point freestyler

      They’re nothing to sneeze at with a 21.0 freestyler

      Lots of good swims from Kalamazoo tonight, but I think my favorite part of the meet can’t be found in the results. A kid from Eastern went 1:59.64 in the 200 IM, looked over to his teammates and coaches who were going absolutely crazy, and pumped his fist three or four times. We figured that he probably broke 2:00 for the first time, which made me wonder – when did 2:00 IM’ers start thinking it was a good idea to swim D1?

    • #41703
      El Duderino
      Member

      Is there an echo in here? I guess I waited two minutes too long…

    • #41704
      silentp
      Member

      Both K and Hope looked tired in their last session. A lot of great swims this weekend and a lot of so-so swims. I think it sets up for a great MIAAs for all the teams involved. I’d love to see it scored out and how close it might be.

    • #41705

      I thought he meant that Griener was 22.3 on the freestyle leg. Forget it.

    • #41706
      maverick1
      Member

      my bad, yeah i didn’t specify where greiner was swimming on that relay…

    • #41707
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Captain Insano wrote:

      I thought he meant that Griener was 22.3 on the freestyle leg. Forget it.

      When I read your post I thought, “Man, what a dick. We all get it, Hope has better sprinters…” I wasn’t even going to dignify it with a response. Kind of funny…

      The swims that stand out are pretty obvious (hence the description “stand out”):

      1 and 2) 47.1 Baz and 46.9 Flem
      3) 2:07.0 for Booms

      Other notable swims
      20.8 and 22.3 splits for greiner
      25.6 breast split for Espinosa. The guy had a bad meet, but this was pretty fast.
      Kzoo hasn’t had 6 guys capable of splitting 47 in a long time.
      2:01.1 by Mueller in the 2 fly was great.
      1:57.77 by Groth same thing
      Ellis has been nursing a bad shouder so his times were good.

      I am sure tehre are others but I am late for church…

    • #41708
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      ellis was 50.8 that is half a second faster at emu then he was last year.

    • #41709
      swimkid4221
      Member

      Not to mention all of K’s relays were much faster than they were last year at EMU.

      4 seconds in the 4 fr
      1/2 in the 2 med
      3 in the 4 med
      3 in the 2 free
      and 9 in the 8

    • #41710
      Low Tide
      Member

      4 seconds in the 4 fr
      1/2 in the 2 med
      3 in the 4 med
      3 in the 2 free
      and 9 in the 8

      That is really nice to see and a fair indicator for the end of the season. I’d also be willing to bet the ‘B’ relays have dropped even more time from this time last year, which says a lot about depth. This year’s team is just a lot stronger from top to bottom, and I hope it continues.

    • #41711

      400 Free Relay
      Last year’s B Relay: 3:17.47
      This year’s B Relay: 3:14.44

      200 Medley Relay
      Last year’s B Relay: 1:39.92
      This year’s B Relay: 1:37.94

      800 Free Relay
      Last year’s B Relay: 7:27.86
      This year’s B Relay: 7:30.58

      200 Free Relay
      Last year’s B Relay: 1:30.38
      This year’s B Relay: 1:28.39

      400 Medley Relay
      Last year’s B Relay: 3:40.35
      This year’s B Relay: 3:39.56

    • #41712
      silentp
      Member

      Perhaps Hope could post their’s also, so we can see, but this is the drops from Midseason to MIAA for last year,

      200 FR
      MS: 1:28.08
      MIAA: 1:25.29
      % change = 3.2

      400 MR
      MS: 3:29.72
      MIAA: 3:24.68
      (There was the start issue here, with regular back split, it would have been a couple seconds quicker MS)
      % change = 1.5 (assuming 2 seconds off MS time)

      200 MR
      MS: 1:33.27
      MIAA: 1:32.75
      % change = .5

      800 FR
      MS: 7:20.66
      MIAA: DQ, but 7:10.8 without it

      400 FR
      MS: 3:12.45
      MIAA: 3:11.34
      % change = .5%

      400 FR and 200 MR saw small drops. The other drops were significant. Will we see this trend continue?

    • #41713
      W3ndell
      Member

      2 Med
      MS’06: 1:36.50
      Leagues’06: 1:34.78
      MS’07: 1:35.94

      4 Med
      MS’06: 3:31.54
      Leagues’06: 3:27.33
      MS’07: 3:30.61

      2 Free
      MS’06: 1:25.24
      Leagues’06: 1:23.66
      MS’07: 1:24.11

      4 Free
      MS’06: 3:07.66
      Leagues’06: 3:04.76
      MS’07: 3:06.03

      8 Free
      MS’06: 7:02.54
      Leagues’06: 6:54.95
      MS’07: 7:06.82

      Besides the 8 free, which I believe was just a lack of motivation, all other relays improved quite a bit from year to year.

    • #41714
      maverick1
      Member

      @W3ndell wrote:

      Besides the 8 free, which I believe was just a lack of motivation

      lack of motivation?

      it looks like, from the splits, that they were in a close race with one of the wisconsin teams. Why even swim it if you lack the motivation, unless you’re just killing your heat of have no pride in your races?

      well i guess there’s hope for the K 200 free relay if the hope guys are having motivational issues πŸ™‚

    • #41715
      SwexasTim
      Member

      wow, great times from K and Hope. Nice job this weekend MIAA. I am impressed w/ K’s 4 free relay and lots of other swims I’m too lazy to point out. I should say I am impressed with Nelis’ swims but I’m not, pretty much where I expected him, not to take away from his good weekend. Matt Smith absolutely housed the 1 br going 101, I am impressed with that swim but again not surprised, he is going to continue to shave off time.

    • #41716
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      I should say I am impressed with Nelis’ swims but I’m not, pretty much where I expected him

      Exactly, the guy is awesome so he should be splitting 49.9 at this point.

    • #41717
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Cheadle I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are, I don’t know how you would think a 49 split out of nelis would be suprising he split 49.78 last year at nats, if you aren’t being sarcastic great post.

      I guess I should clarify, yes Nelis had a great weekend, and yes I am impressed w/ his talent but I am not surprised at his times at Wheaton.

    • #41718
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      yeah but i didnt think hope rested all the way?

    • #41719
      SwexasTim
      Member

      its called improvement rudy, I can’t vouch for this years plan but they usually just rest a few days, nowhere near a taper, and nowhere near all the way down.

    • #41720
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @SwexasTim wrote:

      Cheadle I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are, I don’t know how you would think a 49 split out of nelis would be suprising he split 49.78 last year at nats, if you aren’t being sarcastic great post.

      Not at all, I meant it so thanks.

    • #41721
      maverick1
      Member

      i don’t quite remember these things for sure, but is nelis really built or fairly small in stature?

      this commonly comes into play with the short rest because the more muscle you have to beat up on during the hardest phases of training, the longer it takes for you to recover. I’m assuming that nelis isn’t ripped out of his mind, but is a pretty built guy, so i’m going to say that he’s the real deal here and swam a heck of a meet.

      this is pretty much the first time hope has had a legit butterfly specialist since 2001 or 2002 (if memory serves me correct and i’m not trying to take anything away from lenny, he only swam fly so he could race vic)….it’ll be interesting to see if they can convert him over to the 50 free instead of that pesky 200 IM πŸ™‚

    • #41722
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Its so true, definetly not a specialist unless you are talking about racing vic, b/c its the only reason I went to Hope. ah, the good times. facenorth help me on this, but is Nelis the first hope flyer to come in under 55 in how long?

    • #41723

      I don’t think any teams were fully tapered Rudy. I thought it was just general consensus for teams to do the drop taper for midseason, then do a full taper for conference…unless you’re Kenyon who can win without doing a full taper. So sub 50 is exceptional on that relay.

    • #41724
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      I just saw a lot of times that we had seen at miaas last year. That is all I am saying maybe they are just improving, maybe that type of rest suites them better who knows. People react different to different tapers.

    • #41725
      stewie
      Member

      After this weekend does anyone think it’s worth throwing Ellis in the 1 fly and have Dekker swim the 4 IM? I don’t see Dekker upsetting Nelis, so would it make more sense (points wise) for him to swim the 4 IM and have Ellis try to get second in the 1 fly. With Yury gone, Dekker should be able to take second in the 4 IM. If Ellis can repeat his 51.0 from hs, he could take down JBG. Thoughts?
      Also, Booms is swimming 1 br or 4 IM at MIAAs?
      What relay does Ellis sit? I’m sticking with the 8 fr, only b/c I think that will be Olivet’s strongest. Wheatley, Busscher, B. Jaffe, Davis could all be 1:45 and faster.

    • #41726
      Bocephus
      Member

      just fyi, ellis was 52.8 in the 1fly, but he swam it exhibition, so hes at the bottom of the results. you wouldn’t expect to see him there so you might have missed it.

    • #41727
      silentp
      Member

      @stewie wrote:

      After this weekend does anyone think it’s worth throwing Ellis in the 1 fly and have Dekker swim the 4 IM? I don’t see Dekker upsetting Nelis, so would it make more sense (points wise) for him to swim the 4 IM and have Ellis try to get second in the 1 fly. With Yury gone, Dekker should be able to take second in the 4 IM. If Ellis can repeat his 51.0 from hs, he could take down JBG. Thoughts?.

      For points, I agree. His 100 fly time was weak this weekend though, so who knows about 2nd. He s currently 4th on the depth chart for K, let alone the MIAA. With K’s strong flyers, perhaps the best, for points, would be to sit both of them on the 1 fly and settle for a strong possibility of a 3-4 combo. They would have a shot at placing 3 guys in the top 6 without either of them. Have Ellis do the 50, Dekker do the 4IM. That would seemingly be best for points.

      @stewie wrote:

      Also, Booms is swimming 1 br or 4 IM at MIAAs?

      The 4IM was the only event Booms didn’t really impress me this weekend. He was 59.1 on the 1breast and split 58.4 (i think) at the very end of the meet. He was also 2:00 in the 2IM. 3rd (or 4th if Heyboer swims it) could be up for grabs, and I see Booms in the 2IM. He could also sneak a 3rd out in the 100 breast… or if Olivet continues to swim the way they are, a 2nd.

      @stewie wrote:

      What relay does Ellis sit? I’m sticking with the 8 fr, only b/c I think that will be Olivet’s strongest. Wheatley, Busscher, B. Jaffe, Davis could all be 1:45 and faster.

      While you make a good point, I don’t see any of those other than Busscher being faster than a 1:45. Meanwhile, K has a 1:44.0, 1:44.1 and 1:45.6, plus Dekker. Those are all real times, not opinionated drops. This may be olivet’s strongest, but it’s also Hope’s weakest freelay, so why not go after them in it and take them down? I don’t see them doing that in the 400, but do think a relay of Fonsy, Dekker, Fleming and Bazzel could still get 2nd in the 400.

    • #41728
      facenorth
      Member

      TexasSWim wrote:

      Its so true, definetly not a specialist unless you are talking about racing vic, b/c its the only reason I went to Hope. ah, the good times. facenorth help me on this, but is Nelis the first hope flyer to come in under 55 in how long?

      I’m not exactly sure. Technically Tommy Yamaoka came to Hope a few years ago and he was a 53.3 in hs. But he’s still busy trying to find his way onto the PGA Tour and never swam in college. I don’t know exactly, historically it hasn’t been the strongest event for Hope but when you look at the top 10…

      100 Yard Butterfly
      Name Time Date
      Ryan Nelis 50.23 3/07
      Dan Bouwens 51.31 2/03
      Jarod Lippert 51.78 2/99
      Dan Knapp 51.86 12/94
      Kyle Waterstone 51.99 2/07
      Jon Hescott 52.22 2/91
      Tom Bouwens 52.25 2/99
      Aaron Hoffman 52.38 12/93
      Chris Hamstra 52.45 2/04
      Joe Zpancic 52.68 2/95

      I can only say with certainty that one guy was under 55…but I suspect 3 were. Nelis was 52.1, DBouwens was 55.8, JLippert ?, DKnapp I would guess would be faster than everyone but Nelis, KWaterstone was a 55 I believe as well, Hescott was probably under 55 but slower than Knapper, TBouwens was a 55+, Hoffman I have no idea, Hamstra was a joke, Zpancic — not sure but I don’t think he got faster as he got older — but I may be confusing him with someone else.

      What purpose is this serving again, Mayor?

    • #41729
      SwexasTim
      Member

      Pointing out how long it has been since Hope has had a fly specialist. And its true, I am the Mayor of Awesometown.

      I enjoyed the run down of everyone’s high school times, though I don’t think Hamstra was a joke I think he was 57.9 his senior year, not good, but really a joke, thats just rude. πŸ™‚

    • #41730
      swim5599
      Member

      Is only resting a few days a new thing for Hope at the Wheaton Invite, because when I swam at that meet I saw 55.00 and 2:00 in the 100 and 200 breast, and I am pretty sure he must have been fully rested then. Just a question not looking for smartass responses.

    • #41731
      quacker
      Member

      @swim5599 wrote:

      Is only resting a few days a new thing for Hope at the Wheaton Invite, because when I swam at that meet I saw 55.00 and 2:00 in the 100 and 200 breast, and I am pretty sure he must have been fully rested then. Just a question not looking for smartass responses.

      I honestly think it’s a bit of column a, some of column b, but also a lot of trickeration.

      in my day we did knock down the yardage (and meterage) and cut out morning swims before wheaton, so there is resting. there is also shaving, leg skins, and caps, so that helps a bit too. but honestly, i think coach patnott knew exactly what he was doing, whether that be big rest or small rest before wheaton, and just always told us we weren’t doing a “full taper” so we wouldn’t get discouraged if the times weren’t where we wanted at that point in the season. so if you swam really great, you’re thinking “wow, wait until full taper!” and if you swam kind of crappy, you’re thinking “well, it wasn’t full rest anyway, i’ll do better at the miaa meet.”

      at least that’s what went through my head, but maybe that’s because I over-analyze everything.

      As for Boss swimming really fast at wheaton: he was just one of those guys who could turn it on when needed. the guy even swam with a cast on for a fair portion of the season once and still was right about at his record times.

    • #41732
      Low Tide
      Member

      Asides from Nelis, I’d be willing to bet Zupanzic (sp?) was the fastest flyer Hope ever had coming out of high school… probably a 52 mid or so.

      K’s had a few 51 guys:
      Robbins (51.9), Domin (51.7) and now Ellis (51.0).

    • #41733
      quacker
      Member

      @Low Tide wrote:

      Asides from Nelis, I’d be willing to bet Zupanzic (sp?) was the fastest flyer Hope ever had coming out of high school… probably a 52 mid or so.

      I was curious about that too. The man they called Mack was only a 56.18 flyer in 1993 according to the class records at his HS http://www.ghsaquatics.com

      He was, however, a 1:46.88 200 free, which is nice.

      I just saw that another Grandville alumnus, Lanser, was 52.09 in the fly. Also pretty quick.

    • #41734

      Quacker’s got it right, when i was at hope we never really heard from the coaches the exact level of resting we were going through, but you could usually tell from how you felt and the results…..i don’t think this is any real news to the K team

      on another note, i was surprised when i added up scores for miaas (although i don’t even know how to factor in olivet right now) and had hope winning by only 12 points over kzoo and olivet most likely close (if they swim times from last season)

      i’ll work on transfering my excel file into a post here, but i think someone else should add up scores and see what they get now that we’ve had a midseason meet

      and on another note, i think i’ll make it back to the miaa alumni meet this year so watch out lenny, rev and others

    • #41735
      SwexasTim
      Member

      bring it on yellowstone, do you have a friend named park ranger.

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