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    • #12634
      stokes
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      Check this out, Carthage has their workouts and training program posted online.

      Workouts: http://www.carthageswims.com/men/workouts07.htm
      Training Program: http://www.carthageswims.com/men/07-Season%20Plan.htm

      That got me to thinking:
      What is the typical Division III training program like? How many workouts? How much yardage? How much weights or dryland?

      Which ones are really “Sprint” or really “Distance” (i.e. what is Gustavus which had killer relays a couple of years ago and was good in distance last year.

      Why would they post this for someone to just look at?

      Personally, I like the last workout best.

    • #38524
      Derek
      Member

      @stokes wrote:

      Check this out, Carthage has their workouts and training program posted online.

      This is really impressive. I don’t know when he posted this, but it would be really awesome if ALL coaches posted their season plans and workouts because it would only make everybody better. Although, I can see why Kenyon wouldn’t want to post their workouts.

      @stokes wrote:

      Why would they post this for someone to just look at?

      Like I said above, this is really impressive and a recruit can look at this and see exactly what the team is all about and the level of individualization and precision the coach puts into the team. It’s a great recruiting tool.

    • #38525
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Derek wrote:

      Although, I can see why Kenyon wouldn’t want to post their workouts.

      I disagree with this sentiment and I think Coach Steen does as well. I am quite certain that he is willing to help any coach who would ask. We are only in competition with each other for a couple of hours per year. The rest of the time we shoudl be trying to make each other better.

    • #38526

      This program is very detailed and VERY thorough and it is a great indication of why the Red Men have done so well. Coach Earhart knows his stuff, is always looking for ways to get better, and is a great teacher to his swimmers and other coaches. From my perspective of trying to make workouts coherent to the needs of the swimmers from a physiological point of view, I think the CC training program is spot-on.

      Coaches like to learn from others what works: there are plenty of things here, as well as ideas I have learned from coaches like Jim Steen and the distance coaches from Australia, that I use in my program.

      Keep up the good work, Greg!

    • #38527
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah that is pretty sweet. I know that most coaches would be willing to help others, but I am not sure we would get that many that would post a whole bunch of workouts online. I enjoyed looking through them. We all know how well Greg recruits and now we have a clue as to how well he coaches. Great stuff.

      I also think this could be the beginning of a great forum question. We all swam or coached at some of the best programs at the division 3 level, I say why not talk a little about what we did on an everyday basis.

    • #38528
      silentp
      Member

      It’s interesting that his workouts share a lot of tendencies to Kathy’s at Kzoo. I wonder where his influences are from.

    • #38529

      Hmmm, seems like I’ve been outed.
      @stokes wrote:

      Why would they post this for someone to just look at?

      Well, I’ll just say the D3swimming community wasn’t exactly the intended audience, though I’ll confess I’ve been pleasantly suprised at the reception its been given.

      I put it up there, as Derek mentioned, for recruiting purposes. Seemingly every high school guy will ask, “how do you train” without necessarily knowing what type of answer they’re looking for or how to interpret it. For me personally, I need to lay stuff out just to keep the different groups straight, and I figured if I’d done all of this, I might as well lay most of it out there so recruits can get a sense of how we try to taylor training. (Though it still leaves out tings like individual variations, dryland, yoga, weights, cardio, and video.)

      As far as influences go, I suppose that any coach I’ve come into contact with has influenced me to some extent. I do think its a huge benefit to have Sue Nutty, our full-time women’s coach on deck to bounce ideas off of. I’ve also been fortunate to work with Dorsey Tierney, who I consider one of the very best. If I’ve learned anything, its how you manage the plan and get your athletes to perform a workout is more important than what’s actually on the paper. You have to go with what works for you and what you believe in.

      GE

    • #38530
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      I am impressed with the organization, I need some of those skills!

      I can follow the recruiting aspect per the reasoning for posting publicly;however, do you all feel that this could also be suspect for competitors to shoot holes in your training, now that we all see what is reportedly done?

    • #38531

      @H2allpurpose wrote:

      I am impressed with the organization, I need some of those skills!

      I can follow the recruiting aspect per the reasoning for posting publicly;however, do you all feel that this could also be suspect for competitors to shoot holes in your training, now that we all see what is reportedly done?

      They can only legitimately shoot holes in the training if the training is failing to bring success…

    • #38532
      N Dynamite
      Member

      @H2allpurpose wrote:

      I am impressed with the organization, I need some of those skills!

      I can follow the recruiting aspect per the reasoning for posting publicly;however, do you all feel that this could also be suspect for competitors to shoot holes in your training, now that we all see what is reportedly done?

      Who would bother to take the time to shoot holes in it? Don’t other coaches have better things to do than look for deficiencies in something like this? Making their own season plans and recruiting come to mind. Personally, I took about 30 seconds, thought “wow, that’s impressive,” and moved on with my life.

    • #38533
      The Treat
      Member

      @N Dynamite wrote:

      @H2allpurpose wrote:

      I am impressed with the organization, I need some of those skills!

      I can follow the recruiting aspect per the reasoning for posting publicly;however, do you all feel that this could also be suspect for competitors to shoot holes in your training, now that we all see what is reportedly done?

      Who would bother to take the time to shoot holes in it? Don’t other coaches have better things to do than look for deficiencies in something like this? Making their own season plans and recruiting come to mind. Personally, I took about 30 seconds, thought “wow, that’s impressive,” and moved on with my life.

      its not like a football team where you can say, ohh, they’ve been practicing the cover 2 zone lately, so we should work on plays that exploit that. it’s swimming. as napoleon said, focus on your own training. that’s all you can do.

    • #38534
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      rhymeandreason,

      good point…

      N Dynamite,
      you are right, I find it comical that some people have their “season plans” laided out to the last 25 yards…

    • #38535
      silentp
      Member

      @H2allpurpose wrote:

      N Dynamite,
      you are right, I find it comical that some people have their “season plans” laided out to the last 25 yards…

      You are able to read dates and understand we are currently in the last few months of 2007 right?

    • #38536
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      correct,

      this is why I actually have time to read these boards…someone has to play devils advocate fellas, doesn’t have to be totally a personal attack if someone dissagrees or makes commets that you all don’t like or agree with, or in most cases understand…

      I personally don’t think that this sport is objective enough to quantify or qualify training for a entire season in sept. We have no idea how our bodys are going to react to certain things, thus recovery or lack there of will dictate this. It can also be a downfall, if you have a week that you just can’t hit, or even come close to the yardage you planned…now what? do you make up for it the next week, etc.

      Its more realistic for coaches to move day to day because as an athlete you are different from one day to the next…i know this coach in particular is successful with this system, but I was just throwing out there that having a graph-like color coded syllibus doesn’t equate to a successful game plan.

      Just food for thought…

    • #38537
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      ok,

      so I am seeing that this plan was from 06-07 season…def. rediculous on my part…

    • #38538
      swim5599
      Member

      People can go ahead an attempt to shoot holes in that season layout, but all you have to do is take a look at how those guys did last year. Huge nat meet for those 3 studs, not to mention there were PR’s all over the place at last years conf meet for the Carthage guys.

    • #38539
      2000swimmer
      Member

      So this may be letting the “cat out of the bag” but the season can only be 19 weeks. I counted 27 weeks of planned and designated practices for certain groups.
      At our school the coach writes general practices up and we go in on our own time to do them. We were told that and specific practices written (sprint, dist, mid..etc) is considered and organized practice.

      I would very much like to know how they start in September and NOT have any compliance problems. We would love to have this type of attention that early…as would our coach!

    • #38540

      @2000swimmer wrote:

      So this may be letting the “cat out of the bag” but the season can only be 19 weeks. I counted 27 weeks of planned and designated practices for certain groups.
      At our school the coach writes general practices up and we go in on our own time to do them.

      Institutions may count back from the last date of competition prior to NCAA’s. This means start dates will vary between teams depending on the timing of their conference meet and whether they attend a last-chance meet. Some conferences also mandate later start dates and/or do not count certain break periods provided no practices are conducted.

      Our schedule reflects 19 weeks. It is verified internally by our compliance officer and externally by the CCIW, so I’m confident we’re legal and would be happy to discuss specifics with your coach.

      Greg

    • #38541
      stokes
      Member

      Um, so back to the original post – without turning into a bragging of “toughest workout I ever did/saw/imagined” how much yardage are typical programs going? Do you split into different groups? Men and women together or separate?

    • #38542
      swim5599
      Member

      We did not have the option to have our men and women separate, and I always found that training them together was a good thing.

      We did separate into groups, although with only 4 lanes it was difficult. We had a morning swim, and then 2 different practice times in the eve just to get everyone in the water.

    • #38543
      Balki
      Member
    • #38544
      H2allpurpose
      Member

      matej was a smart swimmer and I wish he would have went on to coach college…
      I like where he’s going with the sets, but most athletes aren’t as disciplined as he was so I get concerned with the lack of send off times for some of the stuff…but like he’s posted on the collegeswimming site, you have to have a certain amount of trust with your athletes..

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