DePauw Univ. & Wash U

Yeah some great swims. SOme other swims of note this past weekend.
Gross 21.1 50
Test 20.9 and 46.1
Hopkins 2 medley went 1:34.9. Thomas 52.1 in the backstroke.

Add them to D3’s top times list!

to add to that list…
Diggs 411 4im this weekend at UNCW.
Its great to see those Wash U guys going so fast this early. Shively is such an underrated coach. I wonder if those guys will be able to close the gap at the UAA meet in February.

Wash U probably does not have enough horses, but what they do have are some really talented guys. Beyer is a stud

Wash U. will never be able to score that well at Conference simply because of the number of people on the team. It’s just to hard with the smaller team, especially with the boner heat scoring points at UAA’s now. I think with a couple of guys going abroad in the spring, they will only be taking 16-17 dudes to UAA’s.

That said, Beyer, Bullock, and Leckey are studly and a couple freshman dudes are looking really good, so they may be able to have a shot at cracking back into the top 10 at NCAA’s this year depending on what kind of free relays they are able to throw together.

I would look for them to be second in the 800 free relay maybe.

@slipperywalls wrote:

Did anyone happen to see the meet between Wash U & DePauw??
some pretty fast times..

Yeah, its also a shame they had to postpone the Wabash-DePauw meet. Judging from those times, Cohen was already resting DePauw for the dual.

Having guys going abroad will really hurt them at UAAs. They were a diver away from second or third at UAA’s last year, and they have a diver now!

The best part about the DePauw meet is how the Wash U team stayed motivated. The men and women got outtouched multiple times early in the meet, but they kept coming back for more. If you look, Leckey actually went a 21.5 leading off the 2 free relay……..that would have been the winning time in the 50 free. The team stayed motivated from beginning to end, and that counts for a lot in my book

@aquaholic wrote:

Yeah, its also a shame they had to postpone the Wabash-DePauw meet. Judging from those times, Cohen was already resting DePauw for the dual.

I highly doubt Cohen would rest anyone for an October Wabash meet. I haven’t been to DePauw-Wabash meet in a few years, but I don’t think it is as big of deal as it once was. Alexander and Cook just happen to be pretty quick without rest. Any word on when the meet will be made up? It would be pretty crazy atmosphere if it was rescheduled for the week of the Monon Bell game.

Not to criticize, but DePauw seems to swim fast in season all the time and flop at the end of the year (at least the past 5 years while ive been around DIII swimming). I mean with those two studs i dont think they even got a relay to NCAA’s last year, someone correct me if that is an oversight. In my mind I don’t know if that is resting for a dual (stupid in the first place) or just lack of in season training in general that results to not being broken down throughout the season (enabling them to swim fast) and then not resting well at the end.

To respond to the 2nd 800 free relay comment about Wash U

Beyer-140.5
Leckey-139.5
Vimr-141.5
?? -142.0

6:43.5 –I don’t know if that will be good enough for 2nd, but definately in the top 8 again. The 4th spot is definately up in the air right now with Sophomore Brian Kushner (142 out of high school) rehabbing summer shoulder surgery, but freshman David Chao turning in a 146 the first meet. I think 142 is conservative enough of an estimate though.

Well Depauw had two boys flat start 20 point last year. Not too many teams did better than that, so if they’re not training, I for one don’t want to see what happens if they do start.

Steve

@iswimalottayards wrote:

Not to criticize, but DePauw seems to swim fast in season all the time and flop at the end of the year (at least the past 5 years while ive been around DIII swimming).

These times are from last year for DePauw. Seems to me they can swim fast in season and faster at Conference and at NCAA (not all events but at least one.) Not bad for a couple of guys who never did NCAA’s before and not to bad for there relays. They have a young bunch of guys with talent and althought they may not be a top ten team they will make some noise come March.

Robert Alexander (06-07 Season)
50 Free – (Pre-SCAC-21.29) (SCAC-20.68) (NCAA-20.82)
100 Free- (Pre-SCAC-46.88) (SCAC-45.37) (NCAA-45.77)
100 Fly- (Pre-SCAC-51.34) (SCAC-50.59) (NCAA-50.18)

John Cook (06-07 Season)
50 Free- (Pre SCAC-21.64) (SCAC-20.87) (NCAA-21.03)
200 Free- (Pre SCAC-1:44.67) (SCAC-1:43.10) (NCAA-1:43.06)
100 Free- (Pre SCAC- 47.10) (SCAC- 46.33) (NCAA- 46.37)

200 Free Relay (prov. qual)
(Pre-SCAC- 1:24.82) (SCAC- 1:24.28)

400 Free Relay (Prov qual)
(Pre-SCAC- 3:09.36) (SCAC-3:06.12)

Doesn’t look like they are working hard during the season to me fast early no huge drop at conf and kind of held taper in some events

RHIT-

Your times seem to prove my point rather than disprove it as a whole. How can you have a relay go 124 in season and then go 124 again rested and say that they are broken down and tired from working hard in season. Most of the elite teams will have 2-4 second differences from their in season 200 free relay times to Conf. and NCAA’s. You just simply don’t go that fast in season if you are broken down and tired, especially in the sprint events. (Of course this could all be wrong if those pre-conference times are from a full rest midseason meet, but I’m too lazy to look it up)

Most of the pre-SCAC times listed above are probably from the DePauw Invite in December. DePauw is usually rested then to make a run at any NCAA cuts within reach. As for last years 200 Free Relay, I think they swam around a 1:22 or 1:23 in a time trial at SCAC’s, but someone left a little early.

Yeah I wouldn’t knock their training. A lot of teams across divisions are going to a two taper season where they shave and/or taper their swimmers twice a year. If this is the case in Depauw, there won’t be that much difference between their “in season” times and conference times.

@iswimalottayards wrote:

Most of the elite teams will have 2-4 second differences from their in season 200 free relay times to Conf. and NCAA’s. (Of course this could all be wrong if those pre-conference times are from a full rest midseason meet, but I’m too lazy to look it up)

Two points here:

DePauw is a good team with good swimmers, not an elite team.

And DePauws Pre-SCAC times were from the DePauw Invitational held in December which they did rest for.

The overall sum of this is that DePauw didn’t take a step backwards at there SCAC meet, dropping a half second in a 50 from a low 21 to a 20 point mid for MOST programs not at the so-called elite level is a hell of an accomplishment. And If they didn’t drop at NCAA’s it’s not the end of the world as a lot of kids who are trying to get into the big dance usually don’t. At worst John Cooks 200 time could have been better but the 100 times and 50 times were good drops at the end. And who are we to judge? Those times could have been all-time best times for those kids.

You have to clear your thoughts of Kenyon, Johns Hopkins, and the Emorys of the world and see that for these programs who yes have had a few national swimmers over the years are not at those elite program levels. And like Steve from Southwestern said I as well as many teams would love to have two kids hit 20 points on there flat starts.

-Mike

I think DePauw had a really impressive season last year. We swam them in our first meet of ’04-’05 and I think they’ve come a long way to have 2 guys make nationals individually and take a serious run at a relay. They were very fast in the 200 F.R. and dpuswim is correct in noting that their time would have been a lot faster if they hadn’t jumped.

As for putting a little time back on in Houston, what’s the big deal? It happens ALL THE TIME. It’s really, really hard to make NCAAs, in all 3 divisions. This means that most people who are taking a shot at it are going to have to do so in February, not December. Re-tapering is difficult and far from an exact science. Alexander and Cook’s conference-to-nationals time changes are not that bad if you ask me, esp. considering that it was their 3rd shave (since those “Pre-SCAC” times are from December). Instead of chastising them because they’re not world-beaters just yet, why not just congratulate them on being a team on the rise and tell them to keep up the good work?

@Chris Knight wrote:

Instead of chastising them because they’re not world-beaters just yet, why not just congratulate them on being a team on the rise and tell them to keep up the good work?

I AGREE!

I believe the point of the original poster was to show there working hard to get back again this year and now with their experience they can make some noise at the end!

Great post Chris!

Keep Up the good work DePauw…see you in December!

–Mike

JHU84

Give me a break. Good swimmers swim closer to their times in season. Their strokes don’t break down and they’re just tougher. Does going 22 all year before going 20.6 make the 20.6 more valid than going 21.2 then dropping to 20.6? Do you have to be slow to be working hard? Brad Test is swimming pretty fast. It must be because JHU doesn’t train hard.

@fr0gman wrote:

JHU84

Give me a break. Good swimmers swim closer to their times in season. Their strokes don’t break down and they’re just tougher. Does going 22 all year before going 20.6 make the 20.6 more valid than going 21.2 then dropping to 20.6? Do you have to be slow to be working hard? Brad Test is swimming pretty fast. It must be because JHU doesn’t train hard.

point is could that swimmer who is going 21.2 broken down could go faster than 20.6 in your example vs. 21.2 all year not broken down. More exaggerated when you look at 100’s and 200’s

@JHU84 wrote:

@fr0gman wrote:

JHU84

Give me a break. Good swimmers swim closer to their times in season. Their strokes don’t break down and they’re just tougher. Does going 22 all year before going 20.6 make the 20.6 more valid than going 21.2 then dropping to 20.6? Do you have to be slow to be working hard? Brad Test is swimming pretty fast. It must be because JHU doesn’t train hard.

point is could that swimmer who is going 21.2 broken down could go faster than 20.6 in your example vs. 21.2 all year not broken down. More exaggerated when you look at 100’s and 200’s

That is completely swimmer dependent. Nothing wrong with swimming fast in season. Phelps has broken more than one of his own WRs midseason, and Katie Ziegler seems to break a WR every swim nowdays.

I moved the Gary Hall Jr. thread:

https://d3swimming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3521

DePauw Mens 200 Free Relay at the DePauw Invitational (11-30-2007)

1:22.77 A Cut

Seems like there doing great!

@RHITswimming wrote:

DePauw Mens 200 Free Relay at the DePauw Invitational (11-30-2007)

1:22.77 A Cut

Seems like there doing great!

wow! link to results? what was alexander’s split?

Well, I have been at the DePauw meet for the last 4 years (senior @ RHIT), so I know how it’s done…. It has alwasy been told to me that teams will taper for a pre-Christmas meet. For Depauw, this is it, I mean… it is their meet.

They set like 8 meet records, A cut in the 2 free relay, B cut in the 2 medley and 4 free relay, and had another atleast 2 100 free swimmers B cut (as well as set pool and meet records) and Alexander B cut in both the fly events (A 152.anything 200 fly should go)! This year they aren’t messing around. If they don’t peform this year, then they’re done…as far as relays go, Robert Alexander is a Senior. Hopefully with an A cut relay under their belt, they’ll practice through conference and go for it at NCAA’s.

Good luck Depauw–I’ll see you there!

@The Treat wrote:

wow! link to results? what was alexander’s split?

20.32 I believe (if you haven’t seen it already)

http://depauw.edu/ath/dpuswiminv/index.asp

[edit] Ok… they were .01 outside a B cut in the 200 MR… So sue me 😉 It’s not like they won’t swim it at nationals.