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    • #12474

      FOUR DQ’s in one heat of the 2MR?!?!?!?!?!

    • #36893
      Psimon3
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      Five total, Washington & Lee, Hope, Kalamazoo, Gustavus, UW- LA Crosse

    • #36894
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      Something needs to be said. I don’t beleive that 4 teams jumped in a single heat.

    • #36895
      swim5599
      Member

      Kalamazoo’s dq man that hurts like hell. What a race we are going to see tonight. behnke swam free for Denison so he will be pulled tonight. So I see them going a second faster.

      ANy chance Olaf wins this thing?

    • #36896
      NCACDork
      Member

      I would say look for Kenyon to go .5 faster tonight… so Olaf would have to cut .7 off their time. Anybody familiar with them and know who could do that for Olaf?

      I don’t really see it happening.

      25.2 is really fast by Zarins. Anybody know the fastest 50 BR split ever?

    • #36897
      NCACDork
      Member

      Also saw Espinona from Kzoo was 25.2 as well! Was he the one who false started perhaps?

      Still – outstanding for a freshman.

    • #36898
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I believe it is Boss in the 24.5 or 24.6 range most of the guys in here know for sure

    • #36899
      NCACDork
      Member

      Good time in the first heat from Borland of KC (4:03).

      Is it true that Dunn was under 4:00 last year? He is seeded as a 4:04.

      3:58 perhaps?

    • #36900
      swim5599
      Member

      I am thinking he might be even faster then that. 3:57 or so. We are going to see Stoyel swim for the first time this morning. He will be in the 4:02 range as well

    • #36901
      Rudy Shingle
      Member

      fonsy has been 24.8 to hands in the 400 medley before so that is kind of slower then we thought

    • #36902
      scoles08
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      Look for Westby to shave about three tenths off his fly split. Koch should be able to get a sub-20 split as well. It’ll be quite the race tonight. Wish I could be there.

    • #36903
      CRUNCHYSOCK
      Member

      What is going on with the Medleys this year? Are that many teams jumping, or are teams getting DQ’d for bad turns, finishes or just cheating in general???

    • #36904

      Is there any truth to what was posted on collegeswimming.com that lanes 1-4 are seeing all the good swims while 5-8 are gettinig dogged?

      Is there a flaw with the pool?

    • #36905
      swim5599
      Member

      3:57 for Dunn I was right on the money. Marschall was 3:58

    • #36906

      Dunn was under 4:00 in the 4IM…..again.

      E. Dunn = E. Rushton?

    • #36907
      Duck
      Member

      fonsy has been 24.8 to hands in the 400 medley before so that is kind of slower then we thought

      I talked with Cheadle, who is at the meet. He reiterated Espinosa’s relay start was the slowest he has ever seen. Ellis (Kzoo) was swimming next to Hagemeyer (Gustavus) in the back leg — with Ellis finishing .22 ahead — and Espinosa entered the water after Mikkelson.

    • #36908
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Fonsy’s starts are, in fact, glacial. When his starts get fast, we can all start panicking, because that’ll mean there aren’t many glaciers left. Any word from Cheadle on the cause of all of these DQs? Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?

    • #36909
      mbcoach
      Member

      what’s up with Treat of Amherst. Not swimming well at this meet.

    • #36910
      Duck
      Member

      Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?

      It’s the reaction pads, though he said McGlaston was downright sinful and Greiner was pretty obvious as well.

      We both agreed these reaction pads need to start being used more than once a year (or done away with); this many DQs is ridiculous and hurts the meet.

    • #36911
      swim5599
      Member

      Packer seeded at 51.8 in the fly just went 49.6 sick

    • #36912
      mbcoach
      Member

      2 in final heat for KC in the Fly

    • #36913
      swim5599
      Member

      anyone surprised that Test just swam the 100 fly

    • #36914
      iamdonovan
      Member

      Apparently everyone agrees that reaction pads need to be used more or not at all… once just ain’t cuttin’ it. I think the NCAA needs to have someone monitor this site and harvest a bit of brainpower.

    • #36915
      NCACDork
      Member

      Once again I am disappointed in Byers’ performance. Also noticed that Emory is without a finalist in the fly.

    • #36916
      swim5599
      Member

      Yeah I am really surprised at Byers. ANyone know if he is sick or anything.

    • #36917

      Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense. Still, jumping: never an excuse.

      My advice to my swimmers is always “Win it in the pool.” You are already getting the added momentum of a rolling start and arm swing, so why not make it safe? Look at the horrific consequence of not timing it right: in a big meet the team could lose the opportunity for up to 40 pts, as opposed to a slightly slower time, but still earning points. For a team as strong as KC to jump, when they know they are virtually assured of a top-8 seeding at night, it is somewhat inconceivable.

      When Denison won the women’s meet in 2001, Parini’s instructions to the 400 FR were to stay nailed on the blocks. Any legal finish won the meet. He timed only the delay from hand-touch to foot-leave, and the difference was actually what it took to win the event. 2nd place in the relay, but the larger honor of National Team Championship.

    • #36918
      mbcoach
      Member

      stoyel 56.7 – moving!

    • #36919

      @PioneerSwimming wrote:

      Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense.

      You’re probably right, although I’m not so sure how much of a practical advantage it is, seeing as they both jumped yesterday.

      As for RJPs in general, yeah, it would be nice if everyone used them all the time — or at least if all the conference meets did. I think the NCAA mandating something like that would be a fine idea (unrealistic, I know). But I don’t see a problem using them at nationals. Everyone knows they’re going to be using them. And I’m not sure it’s a rampant problem quite yet. I don’t remember there being much of an outcry last year about any of the relays (possibly there’s some amnesia going on here), and yesterday’s free relay turned out reasonably fine. If massive DQs show up in the 800 and 400 free relays, I might reconsider that opinion. Guess I’ll wait and see.

    • #36920
      NCACDork
      Member

      Gosselar 55.78 – Reallymoving.

    • #36921

      Kenyon: 3 in the Bigs in the 100 br. Amazing. And Zarins is in the bigs. Good for him!

    • #36922
      mbcoach
      Member

      I think Coach Steen has gotta be happy with this AM as well.

    • #36923
      swim5599
      Member

      yeah we have all talked about how Zarins struggles in the morning well if he does I could see 55.5 out of him tonight

    • #36924
      Stevo
      Member

      why is Zarins always the breastroker on Kenyon’s medleys? It seems that Gosselar is having a better meet. I am pulling for Joey tonight, he is a good kid and having a great meet.

    • #36925
      Anonymous
      Member

      Byers has been battling the stomach flu as has Benhke.

    • #36926
      N Dynamite
      Member

      @PioneerSwimming wrote:

      Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense. Still, jumping: never an excuse.

      It didn’t help them yesterday
      @PioneerSwimming wrote:

      My advice to my swimmers is always “Win it in the pool.” You are already getting the added momentum of a rolling start and arm swing, so why not make it safe? Look at the horrific consequence of not timing it right: in a big meet the team could lose the opportunity for up to 40 pts, as opposed to a slightly slower time, but still earning points. For a team as strong as KC to jump, when they know they are virtually assured of a top-8 seeding at night, it is somewhat inconceivable.

      When Denison won the women’s meet in 2001, Parini’s instructions to the 400 FR were to stay nailed on the blocks. Any legal finish won the meet. He timed only the delay from hand-touch to foot-leave, and the difference was actually what it took to win the event. 2nd place in the relay, but the larger honor of National Team Championship.

      As an Emory alum you may want to note that they were 9th in the 200 FR by .01, but their cumulative relay exchanges were well over .60 – they had two guys react over +.30. Following your advice cost them the big heat, eight points, and four trophies.

    • #36927
      Chris Knight
      Member

      @Duck wrote:

      Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?

      It’s the reaction pads, though he said McGlaston was downright sinful and Greiner was pretty obvious as well.

      I talked to Tim in the lobby and he said that the pad measured him .01 under, I’m not sure how that’s “sinful.” I didn’t see him as early but then again my seat was pretty far away.

    • #36928

      has anyone noticed that they dont have officials at the opposite end. from the stands, i have seen a few **possible** one hand turns (maybe they are just “fast”)

    • #36929
      Vic
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      has anyone noticed that they dont have officials at the opposite end. from the stands, i have seen a few **possible** one hand turns (maybe they are just “fast”)

      It wouldn’t surprise me if there are one hand turns. During meets I often notice people doing one hand turns, but they are so fast about it that no one notices. Sometimes I wonder if the officials at the turn end are really paying attention.

    • #36930
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @Chris Knight wrote:

      @Duck wrote:

      Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?

      It’s the reaction pads, though he said McGlaston was downright sinful and Greiner was pretty obvious as well.

      I talked to Tim in the lobby and he said that the pad measured him .01 under, I’m not sure how that’s “sinful.” I didn’t see him as early but then again my seat was pretty far away.

      Chris,

      I saw it from the stands. That is all I am saying. .01 ?

      IT definitely was NOT Fonsi who false started for Kzoo. Man, his starts are bad. Still, last night his 2nd 50 was under 30. Today he was 30.1 I still look for him to be around where I predicted yesterday (55.6)

      Oh and the 200 Free, really interesting. There were tons of guys in the non-circle heats that made it back. Strange.

    • #36931
      Milhouse
      Member

      @Duck wrote:

      We both agreed these reaction pads need to start being used more than once a year (or done away with); this many DQs is ridiculous and hurts the meet.

      The obvious solution is for folks to not jump on their relay starts. If nothing else, the reaction pads add honesty to the results. But on the other hand, the use of pads hurts the teams that don’t get to practice with them on a regular basis. I’m sure there are plenty of D1 schools that have their own in stock, but they’re probably a bit harder to come by at the D3 level.

    • #36932
      DonCheadle
      Member

      @wickedfoolish wrote:

      has anyone noticed that they dont have officials at the opposite end. from the stands, i have seen a few **possible** one hand turns (maybe they are just “fast”)

      Not a one hand touch, but man Harris has great turns. Not walls (they are good) but he gets moviong in th other direction very quickly and fluidly.

    • #36933
      silentp
      Member

      @Stevo wrote:

      why is Zarins always the breastroker on Kenyon’s medleys? It seems that Gosselar is having a better meet. I am pulling for Joey tonight, he is a good kid and having a great meet.

      From what i have heard, he doesn’t want to do relays… that’s all i know.

    • #36934
      swim5599
      Member

      WHo would not want a chance to swim on those big time medley relays?

    • #36935
      RadAGator
      Member

      seriously….medley relays are the best events, ever.

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