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fonsy has been 24.8 to hands in the 400 medley before so that is kind of slower then we thought
I talked with Cheadle, who is at the meet. He reiterated Espinosa’s relay start was the slowest he has ever seen. Ellis (Kzoo) was swimming next to Hagemeyer (Gustavus) in the back leg — with Ellis finishing .22 ahead — and Espinosa entered the water after Mikkelson.
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Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense. Still, jumping: never an excuse.
My advice to my swimmers is always “Win it in the pool.” You are already getting the added momentum of a rolling start and arm swing, so why not make it safe? Look at the horrific consequence of not timing it right: in a big meet the team could lose the opportunity for up to 40 pts, as opposed to a slightly slower time, but still earning points. For a team as strong as KC to jump, when they know they are virtually assured of a top-8 seeding at night, it is somewhat inconceivable.
When Denison won the women’s meet in 2001, Parini’s instructions to the 400 FR were to stay nailed on the blocks. Any legal finish won the meet. He timed only the delay from hand-touch to foot-leave, and the difference was actually what it took to win the event. 2nd place in the relay, but the larger honor of National Team Championship.
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@PioneerSwimming wrote:
Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense.
You’re probably right, although I’m not so sure how much of a practical advantage it is, seeing as they both jumped yesterday.
As for RJPs in general, yeah, it would be nice if everyone used them all the time — or at least if all the conference meets did. I think the NCAA mandating something like that would be a fine idea (unrealistic, I know). But I don’t see a problem using them at nationals. Everyone knows they’re going to be using them. And I’m not sure it’s a rampant problem quite yet. I don’t remember there being much of an outcry last year about any of the relays (possibly there’s some amnesia going on here), and yesterday’s free relay turned out reasonably fine. If massive DQs show up in the 800 and 400 free relays, I might reconsider that opinion. Guess I’ll wait and see.
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@PioneerSwimming wrote:
Kenyon and Grove City have the pads, so they practice with them. They may have an advantage in that sense. Still, jumping: never an excuse.
It didn’t help them yesterday
@PioneerSwimming wrote:My advice to my swimmers is always “Win it in the pool.” You are already getting the added momentum of a rolling start and arm swing, so why not make it safe? Look at the horrific consequence of not timing it right: in a big meet the team could lose the opportunity for up to 40 pts, as opposed to a slightly slower time, but still earning points. For a team as strong as KC to jump, when they know they are virtually assured of a top-8 seeding at night, it is somewhat inconceivable.
When Denison won the women’s meet in 2001, Parini’s instructions to the 400 FR were to stay nailed on the blocks. Any legal finish won the meet. He timed only the delay from hand-touch to foot-leave, and the difference was actually what it took to win the event. 2nd place in the relay, but the larger honor of National Team Championship.
As an Emory alum you may want to note that they were 9th in the 200 FR by .01, but their cumulative relay exchanges were well over .60 – they had two guys react over +.30. Following your advice cost them the big heat, eight points, and four trophies.
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@Duck wrote:
Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?
It’s the reaction pads, though he said McGlaston was downright sinful and Greiner was pretty obvious as well.
I talked to Tim in the lobby and he said that the pad measured him .01 under, I’m not sure how that’s “sinful.” I didn’t see him as early but then again my seat was pretty far away.
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@wickedfoolish wrote:
has anyone noticed that they dont have officials at the opposite end. from the stands, i have seen a few **possible** one hand turns (maybe they are just “fast”)
It wouldn’t surprise me if there are one hand turns. During meets I often notice people doing one hand turns, but they are so fast about it that no one notices. Sometimes I wonder if the officials at the turn end are really paying attention.
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@Chris Knight wrote:
@Duck wrote:
Is it the pads on the blocks, or what?
It’s the reaction pads, though he said McGlaston was downright sinful and Greiner was pretty obvious as well.
I talked to Tim in the lobby and he said that the pad measured him .01 under, I’m not sure how that’s “sinful.” I didn’t see him as early but then again my seat was pretty far away.
Chris,
I saw it from the stands. That is all I am saying. .01 ?
IT definitely was NOT Fonsi who false started for Kzoo. Man, his starts are bad. Still, last night his 2nd 50 was under 30. Today he was 30.1 I still look for him to be around where I predicted yesterday (55.6)
Oh and the 200 Free, really interesting. There were tons of guys in the non-circle heats that made it back. Strange.
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@Duck wrote:
We both agreed these reaction pads need to start being used more than once a year (or done away with); this many DQs is ridiculous and hurts the meet.
The obvious solution is for folks to not jump on their relay starts. If nothing else, the reaction pads add honesty to the results. But on the other hand, the use of pads hurts the teams that don’t get to practice with them on a regular basis. I’m sure there are plenty of D1 schools that have their own in stock, but they’re probably a bit harder to come by at the D3 level.
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@wickedfoolish wrote:
has anyone noticed that they dont have officials at the opposite end. from the stands, i have seen a few **possible** one hand turns (maybe they are just “fast”)
Not a one hand touch, but man Harris has great turns. Not walls (they are good) but he gets moviong in th other direction very quickly and fluidly.
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@Stevo wrote:
why is Zarins always the breastroker on Kenyon’s medleys? It seems that Gosselar is having a better meet. I am pulling for Joey tonight, he is a good kid and having a great meet.
From what i have heard, he doesn’t want to do relays… that’s all i know.
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